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dljrn04 View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 23 Jul, 2012 04:33 PM Free-will doctrine�what does it do? It magnifies man into God; it declares God's purposes a nullity, since they cannot be carried out unless men are willing. It makes God's will a waiting servant to the will of man, and the whole covenant of grace dependent upon human action. Denying election on the ground of injustice, it holds God to be a debtor to sinners, so that if he gives grace to one he is bound to do so to all. It teaches that the blood of Christ was shed equally for all men and since some are lost, this doctrine ascribes the difference to man's own will, thus making the atonement itself a powerless thing until the will of man gives it efficacy...http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0502.htm Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 03:33 PM Not on topic? The topic thread is freewill.....and I note not only have u not answered me on John 3:16 still, you employ yr cultlike tactics as I mentioned above by not responding to the point I have just made about Calvins freewill actions. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 03:36 PM You have tried to make this thread about Calvin. Yes that is off topic. When asked to provide your defense from scripture you named "experts" who agreed with you. It's just really weak Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 03:43 PM Calvin is implicit in this discussion actually. And hey if you dont agree with Greek experts on word meanings, what can I say? Remain firmly rooted in your Calvinism my friend.... Anyway, unless you are going to answer the questions or make some meaningful reply re Calvins freewill, as I stated earlier, this debate is pointless. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 03:52 PM We are talking about word meanings within contexts which is not as basic as you would like to think. If you take your meaning of "world" and apply it to v. 17 it fails. You have not yet acknowledged this or given and explanation of why. Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 04:04 PM Why does it fail? You ignore the word "might" in 17. My understanding therefore makes perfect sense. Yr Calvinism fails, because if world means "elect" then why "might" the elect be saved rather than "will" be saved? That doesnt make sense. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 04:08 PM I have a couple questions. Did you choose to be born reigns? Did you pick the time and date you were born reigns? Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 04:13 PM Its a loaded question-therefore irrelevant. Spiritual birth ISNT the same as natural birth. Please, can you not come up with anything better? You started this topic but have posted little of substance since. How about interacting with my points rather than asking inane questions? Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 04:17 PM Actually the word "world" in verse 17 means the same thing Ryan...However....it must be read with vs 18-21 to understand the "context" and meaning to be put forth... World ~ kosmos ~ G2889 means the same thing in both the verses 1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government 2) ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3 3) the world, the universe 4) the circle of the earth, the earth *** 5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family 6) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ 7) world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly a) the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ 8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc) *** And this why some people believe Christ died for the "whole" "world"...in vs 16 & 17 Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. And verses 18-19 clearly state those that do believe vs 18 and those that do not vs 19 Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Anywho...Yall hava Great evening or morning where ever your at in the Great Big World...luv ya all...xo Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 04:19 PM prove it, how is physical birth anything different? Post Reply
View Profile History	Free-will doctrine Posted : 25 Jul, 2012 04:22 PM Prove it? Good grief woman, the answer is self explanatory! Have u not got anything better to contribute than this inane comparison? Post Reply

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