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Infant Baptism -- Is It Scriptural? Part Three
Posted : 29 Aug, 2011 09:46 PM
Paul Baptized the Jailer (an Adult) and his entire Household (which had to include Children). Baptism is never Limited to Adults and those of the �Age of Reason�.
Acts 16:33 (NIV) 33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized.
John 4:53 (NIV) 53 Then the father realized that this was the exact time at which Jesus had said to him, �Your son will live.� So he and his whole household believed.
1 Corinthians 1:16 (NIV) 16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don�t remember if I baptized anyone else.)
Scripture tells that God Rewards our Faith and that �Reward� can �Extend� to others�such as
Matthew 9:2
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2 Some men brought to him a paralyzed man, lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the man, �Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven.�
Mark 2:3-5
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3 Some men came, bringing to him a paralyzed man, carried by four of them. 4 Since they could not get him to Jesus because of the crowd, they made an opening in the roof above Jesus by digging through it and then lowered the mat the man was lying on. 5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, �Son, your sins are forgiven.
That Paralyzed Man was Cured (by Jesus) because of The Faith of those Men. This is an Example of the Forgiveness of Sins Based on Another's Faith, just like Infant Baptism. The Infant Child is Forgiven of Sin Based on the �Parents' Faith�.
Matthew 8:5-13
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The Faith of the Centurion
5 When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6 �Lord,� he said, �my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.�
7 Jesus said to him, �Shall I come and heal him?�
8 The centurion replied, �Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, �Go,� and he goes; and that one, �Come,� and he comes. I say to my servant, �Do this,� and he does it.�
10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, �Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.� 13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, �Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.� And his servant was healed at that moment.
The servant was Healed based upon the Centurion's Faith. This is another Example of Healing Based on �Another's Faith�. If Jesus can Heal us Based on someone else�s Faith, then He can Baptize us Based on someone else�s Faith as well.
1 Corinthians 7:14
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14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.
Paul tells us that children are sanctified by God through the belief of only one of their parents.
Exodus 12:24-28
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24 �Obey these instructions as a lasting ordinance for you and your descendants. 25 When you enter the land that the LORD will give you as he promised, observe this ceremony. 26 And when your children ask you, �What does this ceremony mean to you?� 27 then tell them, �It is the Passover sacrifice to the LORD, who passed over the houses of the Israelites in Egypt and spared our homes when he struck down the Egyptians.�� Then the people bowed down and worshiped. 28 The Israelites did just what the LORD commanded Moses and Aaron.
The Passover is Based on the Parent's Faith. If they did not Kill and Eat the Lamb, their First-Born Child died.
Joshua 5:2-7
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Circumcision and Passover at Gilgal
2 At that time the LORD said to Joshua, �Make flint knives and circumcise the Israelites again.� 3 So Joshua made flint knives and circumcised the Israelites at Gibeath Haaraloth.[a]
4 Now this is why he did so: All those who came out of Egypt�all the men of military age�died in the wilderness on the way after leaving Egypt. 5 All the people that came out had been circumcised, but all the people born in the wilderness during the journey from Egypt had not. 6 The Israelites had moved about in the wilderness forty years until all the men who were of military age when they left Egypt had died, since they had not obeyed the LORD. For the LORD had sworn to them that they would not see the land he had solemnly promised their ancestors to give us, a land flowing with milk and honey. 7 So he raised up their sons in their place, and these were the ones Joshua circumcised. They were still uncircumcised because they had not been circumcised on the way.
God Punished Israel because the people had not Circumcised their Children. This was Based on the �Parent's Faith�. The Parents play a Critical Role in their Child's Salvation.
In these Three Parts I have shown you many Scripture Verses showing that Infant Baptism is Scriptual. The Church has Baptized Infants for 2,000 years. There was no Vast Outcry of Outrage or Cries of Blasphemy until more than 1500 years later.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your [[[ children, ]]] and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.
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Act 2:40 � And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls.
Jude said: Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your [[[ children, ]]] and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 � And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls.
*** the Word does say "Children"...xo
Ella sya: But Jude, they problem is no one is quoting the WHOLE PASSAGE leading up to what Pater had said. Peter was preaching to the crowd that had gathered upon them hearing the apostles speaking to them in their different languages. And he ends his sermon saying:
Acts 2:36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.” 37. When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.” 40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
Verses 39: The PROMISE is speaking about the HOLY SPIRIT is for you and your children. This passages DOES NOT SAY that the chidlren were baptisted. Peter calls them to REPENTANCE in verses 38, and tell them that the PROMISE OF THEM RECEIVING THE HOLY SPIRIT IS FOR THEM AND THEIR CHILDREN... and to verse 41. Those whoACCEPTED his messages were baptized... this scriptures says not one thing that the children were baptized, it clearly states that the people who were lisitening to Peter preach were told to repent and be baptized, and those who head and received repented and were baptized. The PROMISE OF THE FATHER IS THE HOLY SPIRIT.
Innocent children (babyies) have no need to repent of their sins, they are sinless, and God will fill them with the Holy Spirit just as he did John the bpatist in his mother womb... but this does not say anything about children being baptized, but it does speak about the children being filled with the Holy Spirit.
Arch, you are twisting God's word to justify your fals church doctrine and etachings;
READ WHAT GOD SPEAKS IN ACTS CHAPTER 2. There is NOT ONE WORD in this chapter that speaks about what must we do about our new born children. Where in the name of the Lord are you getting this foolishness.
PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME AND READ THIS ACTS CHAPTER 2:
The Holy Spirit Comes at Pentecost
1. When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.
5. Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6. When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? 9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
10. Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?” Some, however, made fun of them and said, “They have had too much wine.”
Peter Addresses the Crowd
14. Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say.These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: “‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy,your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they willprophesy.
I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below, blood and fire and billows of smoke. The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord. And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’
22. “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24. But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. 25. David said about him: “‘I saw the Lord always before me. Because he is at my right hand, I will not be shaken. Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue
rejoices; my body also will rest in hope, because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead, you will not let your holy one see decay. 28. You have made known to me the paths of life; you will fill me with joy in your presence.’
29. “Fellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30. But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. 31 Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay. 32. God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33. Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34 For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said, “‘The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”’ “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
37. When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
40. With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41.Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day. The Fellowship of the Believers
42. They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
43. Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44. All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45. They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. 46. Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.
ELLA: NOW ARCH, WHERE IN THIS CHAPTER DOES IT SPEAK ABOTU NEW BORN CHILDREN?...
Thank God the remission of sin's is for all that profess Jesus as lord!!
I know of a man in the summer of 1985 early one June morning around 5:05 am that heard as a audible voice you know what you have to do, this man is one that grew up in a catholic family and had said he did not believe their was a God, was not looking for him, and did not care if he existed. This voice said five times you know what you need to do, which tells a man nothing really because nothing else was said, but God is supernatural, not natural, this did not know how was talking to him. This man simply said to whoever I guess if you are I will, so many times man trys to limit God in so many ways but he is always listening to any cry of the heart of man towards him and quickly responds to those that Cry out to him, for he is not willing that any should perish that all should come unto everlasting life. I remember it as if it was yesterday, that day I picked up a bible and started reading it and was so excited, and it seemed as if any time I opened my mouth father would come out, because the word of God says we have been given the spirit of adoption that crys out abba father.
The lord Jesus has made the way to the father so simple, one only need to believe and confess Jesus as lord, and they will be saved.
This chapter is about the out pouring of the Holy Spirit, which was the beginning of the 1st centruy church. The PROMISE is what Jesus promises from the Father to give to ALL, EVERYONE who repents, and have faith to belive in Jesus Christ as thier Lord and Savior. This PROMISE of the Holy Spirit is to all believers, and to their children as well. Gdo will pour out His Holy Spirit on children when they believe and even as children becasue of their innocence and are without sin(s).
If you're not diligently reading there will never be any spiritual understanding because you are trying to understand God's word in your own wisdom and understanding and not through revelation from the Holy Spirit becasue you are not SEEKING as you should, but you are trying to prove your church false doctriens and teaching, and God will not help you in this matter. If what you seek is for your spiritual knowledge and growth He will lead you into all things... but for the sake of argument to prove your church doctrine and teaching.. it ain't happening.
Ella...I understand the Context of the Scripture is about the Holy Ghost...BUT...In Acts....
Act 2:37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, [ what shall we do? ]
*** They are asking Dirrection..."what shall we do ??"
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, [[[ Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. ]]]
*** Being Dirrected to Repent, be Baptized EVERYONE...this includes Infants and Children...I just dont see it being anyother way than what is being said here...
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your [[[ children, ]]] and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.
*** a Infant is a Child...and GOD calls Children as well as Adults...He called John the Baptist as an Infant in the Womb...Hebrew Israel Jews do a Dedication & Cleansing with Water when Circumcision is performed on the 8th day...It is their Custom...which many people are unaware of...
The word here for Children is G5043...Te'k-non
1) offspring, children
a) child
1) a male child, a son
b) metaph.
1) the name transferred to that intimate and reciprocal relationship formed between men by the bonds of love, friendship, trust, just as between parents and children
2) in affectionate address, such as patrons, helpers, teachers and the like employ: my child
3) in the NT, pupils or disciples are called children of their teachers, because the latter by their instruction nourish the minds of their pupils and mould their characters
4) children of God: in the OT of "the people of Israel" as especially dear to God, in the NT, in Paul's writings, all who are led by the Spirit of God and thus closely related to God...
The word Infant is not [ found ] in these Scriptures...that is Truth...the word Children is...xo
Jude, did you read what I posted on this passage on Part I & II of the topic? Check it out hopefully this wil explain.
Plus, is not this practice a ritual of bapttism/circumcisim the same as being under the law? Whatever happened to GRACE? And where is Covenant Theology practiced in the Bible? ... sounds like man made doctrines and teachings in disobedience to what God says... Peter is not speaking about infants and children repenting and being baptized, he is speaking about infants and children receiving the GIFT of the Holy Spirit as Jesus had promised He would do... pour out His Spirit upon all who believed and have repented of their sins, and your household will be saved... again, what sins has an infant or do children have need ot repent of?... check out what I posted on Part I & Part II of this topic.
