How do you ignore the clear time line in the tribulation, in light of this scripture: Mt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
For those that know there is a very clear time line in the tribulation.
2 Thess 1:1,6-10: �To the *CHURCH* of the Thessalonians�God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you:rolleyes: and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen *WHEN* the Lord Jesus is *REVEALED* {See I Peter 1:13} from heaven in blazing fire **WITH HIS POWERFUL ANGELS**. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting *DESTRUCTION* and shut out from the presence of the Lord *ON THE DAY HE COMES* to be glorified in His holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes *YOU*:rolleyes:, because you believed our testimony to you."
2 Thess 1:1; 2:1,3,8� �To the *CHURCH* of the Thessalonians�Concerning the *COMING* of our Lord Jesus Christ and *OUR*:rolleyes: being gathered to Him�Don�t let anyone deceive you in any way for *THAT DAY* will not come *UNTIL* the man of lawlessness is revealed!!... Then the lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord Jesus Christ will destroy with the splendor of His *COMING*!�
So anyone who claims that the church saints will be gathered *BEFORE* the coming of the lawless one {666} is absolutely contradicting God�s inspired words!!
This, of course, totally destroys the central pre-trib doctrine of the *IMMINENT* coming of Jesus! {That Jesus could come RIGHT NOW} Since the *COMING of Jesus in 2 Thess 2:8 is POST-TRIB then the *COMING of Jesus when *WE are gathered to Him in 2 Thess 2:3 must also be POST-TRIB since it is in the same context and obviously refers to the same day.
I Peter 1:13: �Therefore, prepare your minds for ACTION, and set your hope *FULLY* on the grace to be given YOU when Jesus Christ is *REVEALED*.:applause::angel::peace:
WHAT PROPHECIES MUST TAKE PLACE **DURING** THE DAY OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST??
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������� I Thess 4:16,17; 5:2-4: �For the Lord Himself will come down from Heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and the trumpet {7th & Last} call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord FOREVER� The **DAY OF THE LORD**{Just mentioned in I Thess 4:16,17 above} will come like a thief in the night {To unbelievers}. While people are saying, �Peace and safety� {See Rev 11:9,10} destruction will come on them suddenly and they will not escape.{*ON THE DAY OF THE LORD*!} But you brothers are not in darkness so that **THIS DAY** {OF THE LORD} should surprise you like a thief.� You :rolleyes:are ALL sons of the light and sons of the DAY.�
Revelation 3:3: Jesus says, "But **IF** you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you!" Once the 1260-day Great Tribulation begins all of God's Saints will then know when the Last Day will be!!
������ I Cor 1:2,7,8: �To the *CHURCH of God at Corinth...You:rolleyes: do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be **REVEALED**. He will keep you strong to the *END*, so that you will be blameless on the **DAY OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST**.�
And so all the Church Saints are to eagerly await the **DAY OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST** when Jesus Christ will be **REVEALED**; and THEN the heavens will disappear with a roar as per 2 Peter 3:10-13 below.!
Philippians 1:1,6: �To all the saints:rolleyes: in Christ Jesus at Philippi...Being confident of this, that He who began a good work in you:rolleyes: will carry it on to completion until the **DAY OF JESUS CHRIST**!�:applause::peace:
���� 2 Peter 3:7,10-13: The present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the **DAY OF JUDGMENT** and destruction {See Matt 25:31-33,41,46} of ungodly men. But **THE DAY OF THE LORD**{See I Thess 4:16,17; 5:2-4 above} will come like a thief {To unbelievers}. The heavens will DISAPPEAR with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be burned up� You ought to live holy and godly lives as *YOU wait eagerly {See NIV footnote to 2 Peter 3:12} for the **DAY OF GOD** to come� But in keeping with God�s promise **WE** are looking forward to a New Heaven and New Earth, the Home of Righteousness.� Acts 3:21: �Jesus must remain in Heaven until the TIME comes to **RESTORE� EVERYTHING**!!�:applause::peace:
WE ARE ALL EAGERLY WAITING FOR OUR GLORIOUS ETERNAL RENDEZVOUS WITH JESUS! �
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I Peter 1:13: �Therefore, prepare your:rolleyes: minds for ACTION, and set your hope *FULLY* on the grace to be given YOU when Jesus Christ is *REVEALED*. I Cor 1:7: �YOU do not lack any spiritual gift as YOU:rolleyes: eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be *REVEALED*.�
Now the pre-tribbers claim that this glorious *REVEALING or *REVELATION* of Jesus will be *CONCEALED* BEFORE the beginning of the Great Tribulation.� However, every other time the Word *REVEALED* {Greek-Apocalipsis} is used related to resurrection events it refers to the glorious REVEALING of Jesus on the *LAST DAY* of the Great Tribulation {See 2 Thess 1:7-10 & Luke 17:26-31}. And *CONCEALED* is the exact opposite of *REVEALED* and *APPEARED* according to every dictionary!� Titus 2:13:
Titus 2:13: �*WE* :rolleyes:wait for the *BLESSED HOPE*�the glorious *APPEARING* of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. �Hebrews 9:28 �Jesus will *APPEAR* a 2nd time to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him!��Colossians 1:2; 3:4: �To the holy and faithful brothers in Christ.... When Christ, who is your life **APPEARS**, then you:rolleyes: also will **APPEAR** with Him in glory.� I John 3:2,3: �When Jesus *APPEARS*, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. Everyone who has this hope in Him puriifies himself, just as He is pure!!�
Matthew 24:29,30: Jesus says, �IMMEDIATELY AFTER the distress of those days {The Great Tribulation} the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky. At that time the sign of the Son of Man will *APPEAR in the sky and the nations will *SEE* the Son of Man COMING on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory!!� :applause::peace:
I John 2:28: �Dear children, continue in Him, so that when He *APPEARS* WE :rolleyes:may be confident and unashamed before Him at His COMING!� {See 2 Thess 1:7-10; I Tim 6:14; Heb 9:28 & Col 3:4}�
2 Tim 4:8: Paul said, There is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on THAT DAY�and not only to me, but to *ALL*:rolleyes: who have longed for His *APPEARING*!!� :angel:
PJ SAID: How do you ignore the clear time line in the tribulation, in light of this scripture: Mt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. For those that know there is a very clear time line in the tribulation.
ELLA SAYS::applause:... Good Word of truth PJ... remember, Jesus and Paul, and all the apostles warns us in their writings that in the last days false prophets and etachers will arise... only false prophets (those who THINK God has cled then to be prophets) will not hear what the word of God says, and will use witchcraft, numberology and other methods to try and tell us when Jesus is returning. Yet they are not themselves ready for the Day of the Lord, because they have not done the first things first commanded in the Great Commission, for which we as believers will also be judged...winning souls for the kingdom.
Jesus tells us that the Day of the Lord will come as a theif in the night, a twinkling of an eye. Therefore, this lets us know that NO MAN on this earth knows even when a theif comes to his house, not to speak about when the Day of the Lord will come.
For it is written 2 Thessalonians chapter 2:3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
5. Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6. And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
I forgot PJ, Jesus also said the Day of the Lord would not come UNTIL THIS GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST has been preached to every creature on this earth. AND this has not been done!
The GOSPEL of Jesus Christ is #1. His birth,#2. His ministry, #3. His death,#4. His resurrection, and #4.His soon return all have been preached and taught.
Cannot teach or preach about His soon return UNTIL the first four things have been done, taught and preached...
I Thess 4:16,17; 5:2-4: �For the Lord Himself will come down from Heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and the trumpet {7th & Last} call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord FOREVER� The **DAY OF THE LORD**{Just mentioned in I Thess 4:16,17 above} will come like a thief in the night {To unbelievers}. While people are saying, �Peace and safety� {See Rev 11:9,10} destruction will come on them suddenly and they will not escape.{*ON THE DAY OF THE LORD*!} But you:rolleyes: brothers are not in darkness so that **THIS DAY** {OF THE LORD} should surprise you like a thief. You :rolleyes:are ALL sons of the light and sons of the DAY.�
Revelation 3:3: Jesus says, "But **IF** you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you!" Once the 1260-day Great Tribulation begins all of God's Saints will then know when the Last Day will be!!
Of course those who teach the Satanic Prosperity Gospel like ET and PJ and Joel Osteen must believe in the Pre-Trib rapture fairy tale since God's courageous Tribulation saints will not be able to buy or sell anything {Rev 13:17} and their 2 witnesses will be dressed in *SACKCLOTH* as per Rev 11:3.
Matthew 24:3:: The disciples asked Jesus, "What will be the sign of your coming and the END of the age??
Matthew 24:9-13: Jesus answered�.. {During the Great Tribulation} �Then *YOU* :rolleyes:will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and *YOU* will be hated by all nations because of Me.� At that time many will turn away from the Faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of *MOST* will grow cold,{THE GREAT APOSTASY} but he {The Called, Chosen & Faithful-Rev 17:14b} who stands firm to the End will be saved.�:angel:
Rev 13:8,10: "All inhabitants of the earth will worship the Beast {666}--all whose names have not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb...This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.":angel:
Rev 12:11: "They:rolleyes: overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they:rolleyes: did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death!":angel:
"I forgot PJ, Jesus also said the Day of the Lord would not come UNTIL THIS GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST has been preached to every creature on this earth. AND this has not been done!"
Actually a great multitude from **EVERY** nation, tribe and language will be saved by the Blood of the Lamb and then martyred *DURING* the Great Tribulation!!And only then will this prophecy be fulfilled!
� Moses and Elijah will most likely witness miraculously to people in the uttermost parts of the earth in all 6,000 languages. Presently the Bible has been translated into about 2,000 languages from the inspired Greek and Hebrew manuscripts and faith comes from hearing or reading the sword of the spirit which is the Word of God. The Bible still has not been translated into about 4,000 languages and Rev 5:9b and Rev 7:9,13,14 must be completely fulfilled.�
Surely the courageous tribulation saints will help Moses and Elijah spread God's Word. They will do a fantastic job since according to Rev 7:9,14 there will be a great multitude from EVERY TRIBE AND LANGUAGE who will be �Washed in the Blood of the Lamb�.
Rev 6:9-11: When He {Jesus} opened the 5th seal, I saw the souls of those who had been slain {Just like Jesus} because of the testimony they had maintained.� They called out in a loud voice, �How long until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?�� The each of them was given a *WHITE ROBE*, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed.
Rev 7:9,13,14,15a,17a:� �After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from *EVERY* NATION, TRIBE, PEOPLE� AND LANGUAGE, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb {Jesus}.� They were wearing *WHITE ROBES*�Then one of the {24} elders {Rev 4:4} asked me, �These in *WHITE ROBES*�who are they and where did they come from?�� And he said, �These are they who have come out of the Great Tribulation; {Martyrs just like Jesus} they have washed their robes and made them WHITE in the *BLOOD OF THE LAMB* {Jesus}.
They are before the throne of God and serve him day and night... The Lamb {Jesus} at the center of the throne will be their Shepherd.� Revelation 7:9 above shows that the Great Tribulation will be mainly for Christians in **EVERY GENTILE** nation and not just **JACOB�S TROUBLE** which absolutely contradicts the main thesis of the pre-trib fairy tale.
Of course those who teach the Satanic Prosperity Gospel like ET and PJ and Joel Osteen must believe in the Pre-Trib rapture fairy tale since God's courageous Tribulation saints will not be able to buy or sell anything {Rev 13:17} and their 2 witnesses will be dressed in *SACKCLOTH* as per Rev 11:3.
Jesus also said the Day of the Lord would not come UNTIL THIS GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST has been preached to every creature on this earth. AND this has not been done!"
Here ET disagrees with the pre-trib fairy tale that Jesus could even come *TODAY*
Actually this Prophecy in Matthew 24:14 will only be COMPLETED **DURING** the Great Tribulation as per Rev 7:9-14!!
�God's 2 Witnesses or Moses and Elijah will most likely witness miraculously to people in the uttermost parts of the earth in all 6,000 languages. Presently the Bible has been translated into about 2,000 languages from the inspired Greek and Hebrew manuscripts and faith comes from hearing or reading the sword of the spirit which is the Word of God. The Bible still has not been translated into about 4,000 languages and Rev 5:9b and Rev 7:9,13,14 must be completely fulfilled.�
Surely the courageous tribulation saints will help Moses and Elijah spread God's Word. They will do a fantastic job since according to Rev 7:9,14 there will be a great multitude from EVERY TRIBE AND LANGUAGE who will be �washed in the Blood of the Lamb�.
Rev 6:9-11: When He {Jesus} opened the 5th seal, I saw the souls of those who had been slain {Just like Jesus} because of the testimony they had maintained.� They called out in a loud voice, �How long until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?�� The each of them was given a *WHITE ROBE*, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed.
Rev 7:9,13,14,15a,17a:� �After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from *EVERY* NATION, TRIBE, PEOPLE� AND LANGUAGE, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb {Jesus}.� They were wearing *WHITE ROBES*�Then one of the {24} elders {Rev 4:4} asked me, �These in *WHITE ROBES*�who are they and where did they come from?�� And he said, �These are they who have come out of the Great Tribulation; {Martyrs just like Jesus} they:rolleyes: have washed their robes and made them WHITE in the *BLOOD OF THE LAMB* {Jesus}. They are before the throne of God and serve him day and night... The Lamb {Jesus} at the center of the throne will be their Shepherd.�:applause:
Revelation 7:9 above shows that the Great Tribulation will be mainly for Christians in **EVERY GENTILE** nation and not just **JACOB�S TROUBLE** which absolutely contradicts the main thesis of the pre-trib fairy tale.
Rev 12:11: �They:rolleyes: {THE TRIBULATION MARTYRS} overcame him {Satan} by the *BLOOD OF THE LAMB* and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death.�:angel:
