I've Reposted this because it Appears that No one want to "Touch" this?
I would think that this is something Worth Discussing.
I would like to Discuss what you guys believe Verse 5 to mean and also Verses 7 and 10. To me it is Clear�
Man is Born In SIN�Born with Sin on their Soul (not Imputed�as some assert) � Verse 5 �
and God �WASHES� our Sin�s away (Baptism) � Verse 7 �
and Creates a New Heart (Regeneration) � Verse 10.
Psalm 51:1-10
New International Version (NIV)
Psalm 51
Psalm 51[a]
For the director of music. A psalm of David. When the prophet Nathan came to him after David had committed adultery with Bathsheba.
1 Have mercy on me, O God,
according to your unfailing love;
according to your great compassion
blot out my transgressions.
2 Wash away all my iniquity
and cleanse me from my sin.
3 For I know my transgressions,
and my sin is always before me.
4 Against you, you only, have I sinned
and done what is evil in your sight;
so you are right in your verdict
and justified when you judge.
5 Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
6 Yet you desired faithfulness even in the womb;
you taught me wisdom in that secret place.
7 Cleanse me with hyssop, and I will be clean;
wash me, and I will be whiter than snow.
8 Let me hear joy and gladness;
let the bones you have crushed rejoice.
9 Hide your face from my sins
and blot out all my iniquity.
10 Create in me a pure heart, O God,
and renew a steadfast spirit within me.
5 Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
What else can �Sinful� mean�other than Exactly what it says�Sinful��Full of Sin�?
If it means as some of you contend�that Man is Born with a Sinful Nature or as others Claim that it means that Man is Born with Adam�s Sin �Imputed� to him�then WHY DIDN�T THE HOLY SPIRIT ENSURE that that Meaning was Expressed?
It doesn�t say ��I Had a Sinful NATURE at Birth,�� or ��I had Adams Sin Imputed to me at Birth,��.
No�The Holy Spirit INSPIRED the Writer to Say ��I WAS SINFUL��
Sinful�Full of Sin�at BIRTH!
Ask God why that is? Question The Holy Spirit as to the Clarity of this Verse.
Verse 7 reads:
7 Cleanse me with hyssop, and I will be clean;
wash me, and I will be whiter than snow.
��Wash me, and I WILL BE Whiter than Snow.�
What Kind of Washing do you think the Writer is Speaking of? Washing with Water and Soap or Washing with Water and The Holy Spirit? Water and Hyssop will Cleanse you�Water and The Holy Spirit will
�Make your Soul as White as Snow�.
Baptism Removes All Sins and as Verse 10 tells us
10 Create in me a pure heart, O God,
and renew a steadfast spirit within me.
Baptism Creates a NEW HEART�a New Heart AND
RENEWS a �Steadfast Spirit� within us. Baptism Regenerates�Creates a New Creature�REBORNS us.
Does Scripture Lie? What else could these Verses Mean? How Much Stretching and Spinning and Twisting Must be done to these Verses to make them Deny what they so Plainly and Clearly SAY?
I ask you to Submit to Scripture�not to what Man has Taught you. I ask you to Submit to God�s Will (what God Desires of you) and �LISTEN� to The Holy Spirit.
(v. 5): Behold, I was shapen in iniquity. He does not call upon God to behold it, but upon himself. "Come, my soul, look unto the rock out of which I was hewn, and thou wilt find I was shapen in iniquity. Had I duly considered this before, I find I should not have made so bold with the temptation, nor have ventured among the sparks with such tinder in my heart; and so the sin might have been prevented. Let me consider it now, not to excuse or extenuate the sin�Lord, I did so; but indeed I could not help it, my inclination led me to it�� (for as that plea is false, with due care and watchfulness, and improvement of the grace of God, he might have helped it, so it is what a true penitent never offers to put in), "but let me consider it rather as an aggravation of the sin: Lord, I have not only been guilty of adultery and murder, but I have an adulterous murderous nature; therefore I abhor myself.�� David elsewhere speaks of the admirable structure of his body (Ps. 139:14, Ps. 139:15 ); it was curiously wrought; and yet here he says it was shapen in iniquity, sin was twisted in with it; not as it came out of God�s hands, but as it comes through our parents� loins. He elsewhere speaks of the piety of his mother, that she was God�s handmaid, and he pleads his relation to her (Ps. 116:16, Ps. 116:86 :16), and yet here he says she conceived him in sin; for though she was, by grace, a child of God, she was, by nature, a daughter of Eve, and not excepted from the common character. Note, It is to be sadly lamented by every one of us that we brought into the world with us a corrupt nature, wretchedly degenerated from its primitive purity and rectitude; we have from our birth the snares of sin in our bodies, the seeds of sin in our souls, and a stain of sin upon both. This is what we call original sin, because it is as ancient as our original, and because it is the original of all our actual transgressions. This is that foolishness which is bound in the heart of a child, that proneness of evil and backwardness to good which is the burden of the regenerate and the ruin of the unregenerate; it is a bent to backslide from God.III. David�s acknowledgment of the grace of God
