Thread: 2 Thess 1:1,6-10:� �To the *CHURCH* of the Thessalonians�God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well.� This will happen *WHEN* the Lord Jesus is *REVEALED* from heaven in blazing fire with His powerful *ANGELS*� He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.� They will be punished with everlasting *DESTRUCTION* and shut out from the presence of the Lord *ON THE DAY HE COMES* to be glorified in His holy people!!�
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2 Thess 1:1,6-10:� �To the *CHURCH* of the Thessalonians�God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well.� This will happen *WHEN* the Lord Jesus is *REVEALED* from heaven in blazing fire with His powerful *ANGELS*� He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.� They will be punished with everlasting *DESTRUCTION* and shut out from the presence of the Lord *ON THE DAY HE COMES* to be glorified in His holy people!!�
Posted : 13 Sep, 2011 06:03 AM
John 6:40� Jesus says, �For my Father�s will is that EVERYONE who looks to the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the *LAST DAY*!��:angel:
Pre-tribbers believe that the *LAST DAY* mentioned 6 times in John 6:39,40,44,54;11:24,12:48 refers to a CONCEALED RESURRECTION 7 years *BEFORE THE LAST DAY*.� However, John 12:48 shows that the lost will also be condemned on that same *LAST DAY*!�
John 12:48: Jesus says, �There is a Judge for the one who rejects Me and does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the *LAST DAY*!!��
Matt 25:31-34,41:� Jesus says, �*WHEN* the Son of Man comes in His glory,{On the Last Day} and all the **ANGELS**:angel::angel: with Him {See Matt 24:29-31}, He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory.� All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another��He will put His sheep on His right and the goats on the left. *THEN the King {Jesus} will say to those on His right, �Come you who are blessed by My Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world... *THEN He will say to those on His left, �Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire!���
Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, The Son of Man is going to come in His Father's Glory with His **ANGELS**:angel::angel: {See Matt 24:30,31} and *THEN* He will reward each person according to what he has done!" :applause:
I Peter 1:13: �Therefore, prepare your minds for ACTION, and set your hope *FULLY* on the grace to be given YOU when Jesus Christ is *REVEALED*. :applause::angel:
2 Thess 1:1,6-10:� �To the *CHURCH* of the Thessalonians�God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well.� This will happen *WHEN* the Lord Jesus is *REVEALED* from heaven in blazing fire with His powerful *ANGELS*� He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.� They will be punished with everlasting *DESTRUCTION* and shut out from the presence of the Lord *ON THE DAY HE COMES* to be glorified in His holy people!!�
Posted : 13 Sep, 2011 06:47 AM
THE GREAT COMMISSION: Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, �All authority in heaven and on *EARTH has been given to Me {Not some RC Pope}. Therefore go and make disciples of *ALL NATIONS*...teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING** I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very *END OF THE AGE*!�:applause:
Matthew 13:39-43: Jesus says, �The Harvest is the *END OF THE AGE and the harvesters are *ANGELS*. As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the *END OF THE AGE*. The Son of Man will send out His *ANGELS*:angel::angel:, and they will weed out of His kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. *THEN* the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father!�
I Corinthians 15:22-24: �For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits, then when He comes, those :rolleyes:who belong to Him. Then the **END** will come, when He hands over the Kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.�
And so when Jesus comes again at the *END OF THE AGE* He will hand over the Kingdom to God the Father an "*THEN* the righteous will shine:glow: like the sun in the kingdom of their Father" as per Matthew 13:43 above!
Mark 13:10 Jesus says, �The *AGE TO COME* is Eternal Life!�I Timothy 6:19: In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the *COMING AGE*, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life!�
� Matthew 24:3,9-13:� The disciples asked Jesus, �What will be the sign of your Coming and the *END OF THE AGE*?? Jesus answered�.. {During the 1260-day Great Tribulation} �Then *YOU*:rolleyes: will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and *YOU will be hated by all nations because of Me.� At that time many will turn away from the Faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of *MOST* will grow cold,{THE GREAT APOSTASY} but he {The Called, Chosen & Faithful-Rev 17:14b} who stands firm to the *END* will be saved. This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to *ALL NATIONS*, and then the *END* will come!�:applause:
� Matthew 24:29-31: Jesus says, �Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light and the stars will fall from the sky.� {Luke 21:28 adds �When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads:rolleyes:, because your redemption is drawing near.�} Then the nations will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send His **ANGELS**:angel::angel: with a loud {7TH & LAST} *TRUMPET* CALL and they will gather *His elect* from the 4 winds {Mark 13:27b adds:} �from the ends of the earth {Saints on earth} to� the ends of the Heavens {Saints in Heaven}!!�
And then we find just before the beginning of the 1260-day Great tribulation that there will be saints saved by the blood of Jesus from *EVERY Tribe, Language and Nation:
Revelation 5:9: �You {Jesus} are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God from *EVERY Tribe, Language, People and Nation!�
Just after the coming of the 4 Horsemen in Revelation 6:1-8 just after the start of the 1260-day Great tribulation; we see this scene in Heaven:
Rev 6:9-11: When He {Jesus} opened the 5th seal, I saw the souls of those who had been slain {Just like Jesus} because of the testimony they had maintained.� They:rolleyes: called out in a loud voice, �How long until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?�� The each of them was given a *WHITE ROBE*, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed.
Rev 7:9,13,14,15a,17a:� �After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from *EVERY* NATION, TRIBE, PEOPLE� AND LANGUAGE, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb {Jesus}.� They:rolleyes: were wearing *WHITE ROBES*�Then one of the {24} elders {Rev 4:4} asked me, �These in *WHITE ROBES*�who are they and where did they come from?�� And he said, �These are they who have come out of the Great Tribulation; {Martyrs just like Jesus} they have washed their robes and made them WHITE in the *BLOOD OF THE LAMB* {Jesus}. They are before the throne of God and serve him day and night... The Lamb {Jesus} at the center of the throne will be their Shepherd.�
Revelation 7:9 above shows that the Great Tribulation will be mainly for Christians in **EVERY GENTILE** nation and not just **JACOB'S TROUBLE** which absolutely contradicts the main thesis of the pre-trib fairy tale.
Rev 12:11: �They :rolleyes:{THE TRIBULATION MARTYRS} overcame him {Satan} by the *BLOOD OF THE LAMB* and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death.� :angel:
Rev 12:11 and Rev 7:14b above contradict the belief that the tribulation saints will be saved by **WORKS ALONE** and will not be saved by the **BLOOD OF THE LAMB**. like the present church saints; and will not be in the **LAMB�S BOOK OF LIFE**.� However, in Revelation 13:8 we read: �All inhabitants of the earth will worship the Beast {666}�.*ALL* whose names have not been written in the **LAMB�S BOOK OF LIFE**!� Which absolutely confirms that the Tribulation saints who do not worship the Beast will be in the **LAMB'S BOOK OF LIFE**!!
I Peter 1:13: �Therefore, prepare your minds for ACTION, and set your hope *FULLY* on the grace to be given YOU when Jesus Christ is *REVEALED*.:applause::angel:
2 Thess 1:1,6-10:� �To the *CHURCH* of the Thessalonians�God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well.� This will happen *WHEN* the Lord Jesus is *REVEALED* from heaven in blazing fire with His powerful *ANGELS*� He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.� They will be punished with everlasting *DESTRUCTION* and shut out from the presence of the Lord *ON THE DAY HE COMES* to be glorified in His holy people!!�
Posted : 13 Sep, 2011 09:47 AM
WHAT PROPHECIES MUST TAKE PLACE **DURING ** THE DAY OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST??
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������� I Thess 4:16,17; 5:2-4: �For the Lord Himself will come down from Heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and the trumpet {7th & Last} call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together him them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord FOREVER� The **DAY OF THE LORD**{Just mentioned in I Thess 4:16,17 above} will come like a thief in the night {TO UNBELIEVERS}. While people are saying, �Peace and safety� {See Rev 11:9,10} destruction will come on them suddenly and they will not escape.{*ON THE DAY OF THE LORD*!} But you brothers are not in darkness so that **THIS DAY** {OF THE LORD} should surprise you like a thief.� You are ALL sons of the light and sons of the DAY.� {See Rev 3:3}:angel:
������ I Cor 1:2,7,8: �To the *CHURCH of God at Corinth...You:rolleyes: do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be **REVEALED**. He will keep you strong to the *END*, so that you will be blameless on the **DAY OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST**.�
And so all the Church Saints are to eagerly await the **DAY OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST** when Jesus Christ will be **REVEALED**; and then the heavens will disappear with a roar as per 2 Peter 3:10-13 below.!
PHILIPPIANS 1:1,6: �To all the saints in Christ Jesus at Philippi...Being confident of this, that He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the **DAY OF JESUS CHRIST**!�
���� 2 Peter 3:7,10-13: The present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the **DAY OF JUDGMENT** and destruction {See Matt 25:31-33,41,46} of ungodly men. But **THE DAY OF THE LORD**{See I Thess 4:16,17; 5:2-4 above} will come like a thief {To unbelievers}. The heavens will DISAPPEAR with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be burned up� You ought to live holy and godly lives as *YOU*:rolleyes: wait eagerly {See NIV footnote to 2 Peter 3:12} for the **DAY OF GOD** to come� But in keeping with God�s promise **WE** are looking forward to a New Heaven and New Earth, the Home of Righteousness.� Acts 3:21: �Jesus must remain in Heaven until the TIME comes to **RESTORE� EVERYTHING**!!�
2 Thess 1:1,6-10: �To the CHURCH* of the Thessalonians...God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you, and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen **WHEN** the Lord Jesus is **REVEALED** from heaven in blazing fire with His powerful angels {See Matt 16:27; 24:30,31}. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction {See Matt 25:31-33,41,46} and shut out from the presence of the Lord ON THE DAY HE COMES TO BE GLORIFIED IN HIS HOLY PEOPLE and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed out testimony to you!!� Here God's Word contradicts the pre-trib belief that the church saints will be raptured 3 � to 7 years BEFORE the judgment of the lost! Compare the Last Day verses John 6:40 and John 12:48 and John 5:28,29!!
I Corinthians 15:20,22-24: �But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the FIRSTFRUITS of those who have fallen asleep.... For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive, But each in his own turn.: Christ, the FIRSTFRUITS; then, when He comes, those who belong to Him. THEN the END will come, when He hands over the Kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.�{ As per I Peter 3:10-12 above & Rev 17:14 & Rev 19:11-21} Acts 3:21: �Jesus must remain in Heaven until the TIME comes to **RESTORE EVERYTHING**!!�
Matthew 24:35: Jesus says, �Heaven and earth will pass away, but My Words will never pass away!�
WHAT EVENTS MUST TAKE PLACE **BEFORE** **THE DAY OF THE LORD** WHEN ALL OF GOD'S SAINTS AND THE LOST WILL BE RESURRECTED AND THE PRESENT HEAVENS AND EARTH DISAPPEAR??
Acts 2:20: �The **sun will be turned to darkness** and the **moon to blood** ***BEFORE*** the coming of the great and glorious **DAY OF THE LORD**!�Compare with Matthew 24:29-31}
Revelation 6:12b;13,15-17: �The **sun turned black** like sackcloth..the whole **moon turned blood** red and the stars in the sky fell to earth {See Matt 24:29}.... Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty..hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, �Fall on us and hide us from the wrath of the Lamb! For the Great Day of their wrath has come, and who can stand.�
2 Thessalonians 1:1; 2:1-3,8,9: �To the **CHURCH** of the Thessalonians...Concerning the Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled by some prophecy...saying that the **DAY OF THE LORD** has already come. Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for **THAT DAY** will not come **UNTIL** the Man of Lawlessness is REVEALED...The Lawless One will be REVEALED, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with breath of His mouth and destroy by the splendor of His coming {See Rev 17:14 & Rev 19:20} The coming of the Lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. {See Rev 13:13-17 & Rev 19:20}
So anyone who claims that the coming of Jesus when His church saints are gathered to Him; will occur **BEFORE** the Lawless One {666} is *REVEALED is contradicting God's Sacred Words!! This passage from God's Word absolutely contradicts the pre-trib fairy tale that Jesus could gather His saints at any time *EVEN TODAY*!!
