A member of a Christian forum said yesterday that "Biblical prophecy will be fulfilled. There will be an Anti-Christ preceeded by two helpers. It can't be stopped."
A Facebook Friend , Chris Ardern,on August 17, 2011 did an Internet broadcast called "Fables of Comic Book Theology" in which he cited a number of Bible verses which can be interpreted to predict in a general way the peculiar end time scenarios of the man made theology which has taken over so many churches. Its at:
The Biblical authority for the spirit of anti-Christ is in I John 2:18-19, I John 4:3 and II John 1: 7. John says there were many anti-Christs running around in his time and that there is the spirit of anti-Christ. He does not say there will be one man as THE anti-Christ who will be a world leader, will make a treaty with the nation of Israel and desecrate the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. Where the two helpers who come before this dispensationalist anti-Christ is found in scripture I have no idea.
Many of them say their
super one man anti-Christ will confirm a covenant with Israel,during the tribulation
using Daniel 9:
25-27 as their authority. But there is no scripture supporting this
event. Daniel 9: 25-27 says "Know therefore and understand, that from
the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem
unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and
two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in
troublous times.
26. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off,
but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come
shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be
with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and
in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation
to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it
desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be
poured upon the desolate."
"He" in verse 27 refers back to Messiah in verse 26. The only
other possible person mentioned in verses 25 and 26 is the prince in
verse 26 who is the Roman prince who destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
There is no anti-Christ in these verses at all.
The usual dispensationalist view on II Thessalonians
2: 3-4 is that their one man anti-Christ figure will desecrate a newly rebuilt temple in Jerusalem, which is the dispensationalist abomination of desolation. Many dispensationalist
followers believe the desecration of the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem will mark
the beginning of their seven year tribulation. Matthew 24: 15 mentions the
abomination of desolation in saying "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:
16. Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:" Christ in Matthew 24 deals with
both the disaster of the fall of Jerusalem to the Romans in 70 AD and what he calls great tribulation in verse 21.
II Thessalonians 2: 3-4 is an example of a man-made theology refusing to interpret
scripture by relevant scripture. Paul
says in I Corinthians 3:16-17 and in I Corinthians 6: 19 that
Christians are now the temple of God. This is supported by Acts 7:
47-48. Who decides what is relevant to II Thessalonians 2: 3-4?
Its the scriptures themselves, which can easily be found by use of
a good concordance, such as Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.
The killing of a pig in the newly rebuilt temple in Jerusalem,
even if that takes place, or some other
event to desecrate the temple would have no spiritual significance
to Christians. The temple and the desecration is all in the physical.
The spiritual happening involves taking over the minds and hearts of
believers by false prophets. The denial of this spiritual meaning in
II Thessalonians 2: 3-4 can be seen to be due to the dispensationalist
postulate that scripture must be literally interpreted. Yet I
Corinthians 3: 16-17 and I Corinthians 6: 19 clearly teach that the
temple is no longer a physical building but is the believers
themselves.
There are no scriptures supporting the pre-trib rapture of the dispensationalist
church. I Corinthians 15: 52 and Matthew 24: 29-30 say the appearing of Christ will
be at the end of the tribulation. John 6: 54, "I will raise him up at the last day"
might be argued about by some dispensationalists, as to what the last day means. But
when seen alongside I Corinthians 15: 52 - about the last trumpet - and Matthew 24; 29-30,
John 6: 54 refers to the last day as the end of the present era, the end of the tribulation.
Followers of comic book end time prophecy often use either a false didactic
method or the dialectic in various forms to defend their peculiar end time scenarios, the details of which they get into endless debates about.
�WHAT ARE THE 7 BIBLE CLUES WHICH REVEAL THE IDENTITY OF 666???
���� Revelation 13:17b,18: "The mark of the beast {Or antichrist} is the *NAME* of the Beast or the number of *HIS NAME*. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, *LET HIM* calculate the number of the Beast {Even in AD 96 when Revelation was written}, for it is a man's number {Or "Number of a MAN"}. *HIS* number is *666*." God has promised in the above inspired passage that any saint {Even in AD 96--which implies that the name was known in AD 96} with spiritual wisdom and insight may calculate the name of the beast which is a *MAN'S NAME* and adds up to 666.
During the last year of his rule Domitian Caesar decreed that everyone in the Roman Empire must worship idols of former Roman Caesar's or else they would be killed or put in prison. Historical documents show us that the Apostle John {Who then lived in Ephesus} lived to about AD 100 and therefore would have been alive during Domitian's evil decree of September AD 95 to September of AD 96.� Since we can be sure that the Apostle John would never worship an idol of a Roman Caesar it is then highly probable that John was put in prison on Patmos Isle sometime during Domitian's evil decree from September AD 95 to September AD 96.
������ In Thess 2:3 the Beast of the End-Times is called a "*MAN* of sin or lawlessness" or very SINFUL MAN and therefore the name of the Beast which adds up to 666 is a *MAN'S* name which is also confirmed in Rev 13:17b,18 above. Therefore, the NAME of the Beast which adds up to 666 is a sinful *MAN'S NAME* and could not be the name of a woman or a city, country, computer or Satan, etc..� 666 is also identified with a MASCULINE pronoun 28 times in God's Word which we will show later.
Rev 13:16,17: "He {The False Prophet} forced everyone... to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead. No one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name {666}. 666 is called a "BEAST" 36 {6x6} times in Revelation. The BEAST is a much better name than the antichrist since anti-christ is mentioned 5 times in God's Word {I John 2:18{2X}, 22; 4:3; 2 John 1:7} and each time the word encompasses all who are against Christ.� Such as I John 2:18: "Even now many anti-christs have come."�
����� 666 is referred to in the MASCULINE gender 28 times and the Beast is never referred to in the feminine or neuter gender.� It is interesting to note that if the Beast of the end-times will be a religious organization, country or city it would be referred to in the female or neuter gender!!!� The masculine pronouns used for the Beast are "HIS" 11 times: Rev 13:1, 5,16b,18b; 14:9,11; 17:7b; 19:2; 20:4(2X) & Daniel 7:26.� "HE" 10 times: Rev 13:1;6a,7a,7; 17:8b; 17:11; 2 Thess 2:6; Daniel 7:24,25 & Daniel 9:27.�� "HIM" 5 times: Rev 13:4b; 19:20; 2 Thess 2:6; Daniel 7:25 & Daniel 9:27.� "HIMSELF" 2 times in 2 Thess 2:4.
����� Actually there are **7 BIBLE CLUES** that show who the BEAST of the future 1260-day Tribulation will be. By an amazing coincidence all 7 Bible clues can be applied to Nero Caesar!!
�{{1}}� The BEAST will be a "MAN OF SIN" or very sinful MAN as per 2 Thess 2:3 above.
{{2}}� The number of this sinful man's name is 666 as per Rev 13:16-18.� The Bible was written by 40 Divinely inspired Hebrews in Hebrew and Greek so then it is highly probable that this man's name adds up to 666 in Hebrew or Greek.� Nero Caesar's name adds up to 666 in Hebrew which we will show later in this Bible study.
{{3}}� This sinful man whose name adds up to 666 DIED BEFORE AD 96 when Revelation was written.{See Rev 17:8 below} We will show later why Revelation was written between Sept AD 95 and Sept AD 96. Nero Caesar lived from December 15th, AD 37 to June 9th AD 68.
{{4}} This sinful man who was alive and then died before AD 96 was FATALLY WOUNDED by a sword wound to his head. Nero Caesar committed suicide with a sword wound to his head on June 9th, AD 68. {See Rev 13:3 and Rev 13:14 below}
{{5}}� This very sinful man who died before AD 96 was a KING in the Roman Empire as per Daniel 7:24. There were 11 Roman Kings or Caesars who died before AD 96 including the 6th Caesar {Nero Caesar} who killed Paul and Peter in AD 66; and whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew. Domitian Caesar was the 12th Roman Caesar who was alive when Revelation was written in AD 96.
{{6}}� The beast is also called an 8th KING who ruled before AD 96 as one of 7 evil KINGS crowned by the city on 7 hills. {See Rev 17:9-11}
{{7}}� This very sinful ROMAN KING whose name adds up to 666 and who was fatally wounded by a sword before AD 96, will "COME UP FROM THE *ABYSS* or *HELL* as per Rev 11:7 & Rev 17:8. We know that the ABYSS is HELL by comparing 2 Peter 2:4 with Luke 8:30b,31. We can be sure that Nero Caesar is now in the Abyss or Hell since he killed Paul and Peter and thousands of Christians and sent Vespasian {the father of Titus and Domitian Caesar} to kill the Jews and destroy their Temple. The MAN OF SIN or Nero also killed his own mother and killed his pregnant wife by kicking her in the stomach.�� Inscriptions have been found in Ephesus in which Nero is called "Almighty God" and "Savior".�� In Revelation 13:8a we learn that all the unsaved inhabitants of the world will worship the Beast.
� Nero and Caligula "abandoned all reserve" in promoting emperor worship - they were the only two Roman Caesars who demanded divine honors while still alive. Nero claimed to be the sun-god Apollo.� In 2 Thess 2:4 we read that the "Man of Sin" will proclaim that he is God!���� Revelation 17:8: The beast, which you saw, once was {alive}, Now {in AD 96} is not {alive} and will come up out of the ABYSS and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book life. ... will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was {Alive before AD 96}, now {In AD 96} is not {Alive} and yet will come. Rev 13:14: He {The False Prophet} will order the inhabitants of the earth to set up an image in honor of the beast who was {FATALLY-Rev 13:3} wounded by the sword and yet lived."� Rev 13:3: �One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been HEALED!! The whole world was astonished and followed the beast. �
����� When I was a missionary in Israel I studied the Hebrew language.� One of the first things that you learn when you study the OT Ancient Hebrew language {Which is also the language of Israel today!} is that the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet ALSO represent 22 numbers! When you read Psalm 119 you will note that the 176 sentences are divided into 22 sections; each section with 8 sentences or verses praising the Word of God. These 22 sections are each headed by one of the letters in the Hebrew alphabet in the exact same order as shown below. The ancient Hebrew language {Which is exactly the same as the modern Hebrew language} frequently used the letters of their alphabet to designate numbers in the OT as follows:� ALEPH=1. BETH=2. GIMEL=3. DALET=4. HE=5. VAV=6. ZAYIN=7. CHETH=8. TETH=9. YODH=10. KAPH=20. LAMED=30. MEM=40. NUN=50. SAMEKH=60. AYIN=70. PE=80. TSADHE=90. KOPH=100. RESH=200. SHIN=300. TAV=400.
����� NOTE: Most vowel sounds except "O" {VAV} are not used as letters in Hebrew. These vowel sounds are designated by dots and dashes under their *PRECEDING* consonants. In Hebrew "N" is added on the end of all foreign names ending in "O". Therefore, the foreign name of Nero would be "NERON" in Hebrew. The name Nero Caesar would be pronounced Neron Kaysar in Hebrew. The "E" in Neron and the 2 "A" sounds in Kaysar {There is no "C" in Hebrew} are designated by dots and dashes under their preceding consonants and therefore are not letters in the 22 letter Hebrew alphabet, and so have no numerical value.
����� Neron in Hebrew would use 4 letters with numerical value: N-R-O-N and Kaysar in Hebrew would use 3 letters with numerical value: K-S-R. There would be a dot under the first N to show the "E" sound in NEron There would also be 2 dots under the "K" to show the "AY" sound in KAYsar and a dash under the "S" to show the "AH" sound in KaySAHr.� The 4 letters with numerical value in NERON would be {SEE TABLE ABOVE} N = NUN = 50; R = RESH = 200; O = VAV = 6; and N = NUN = 50 and 50+20+6+50 equals 306. The 3 letters with numerical value in "KAYSAR would be K = KOPH = 100; S = SAMEKH = 60; and R = RESH =200 and 100+60+200 equals 360.
And so the numerical value of Nero in Hebrew is 306 and the numerical value of Caesar in Hebrew is 360, and therefore the numerical value of Nero Caesar is 306+360 or exactly *666*!
����� There is a very interesting footnote in the revised Standard Version concerning the number 666 which states that some ancient manuscripts have the number **616** which *DOUBLY* confirms that Nero Caesar may be the future Anti-Christ!! You will note that the Hebrew language adds an "N" to all foreign names ending in "O". Now "N" or "NUN" in Hebrew has a numerical value of **50**!! and so if you decided not to add the last "N" in NERON then Nero Caesar would add up to exactly *616* in Hebrew. This is an absolutely amazing coincidence!
����� Any honest Hebrew language scholar will confirm that the letters of Nero Caesar's name add up to 666 in the Hebrew language whose 22 letters are also 22 numbers as shown above, and the Bible was written by 40 Jews. Since all of the prophecies concerning the antichrist are written in OT Hebrew {Like Daniel 7:8-25} or NT Koine Greek it would then seem logical that God would use one of these 2 Bible languages to identify the Name of the Beast whose letters add up to 666. One of the problems of doing this in NT Koine Greek is that the letters of their alphabet are not also numbers. And therefore you can only assign a numerical value of 22 to the 22nd letter, etc.. Using this formula you could not get any name to add up to over 250, let alone 666. You have the same problem with English & all other languages other than the Hebrew language! The 3 different Greek words used in Rev 13:18b to arrive at the number 666 are the 3 different Greek words for 600 and 60 and 6 and not 6 +6 + 6.
�����And so the *6th Caesar {Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius & the *6th* was NERO} ordered the execution of Paul & Peter in AD *66*. NERO fulfilled *ALL 7 BIBLE CLUES as to the identity of *666 and will be the Beast who comes up from the Abyss {Or Hell-See Rev 11:7 & Rev 17:8} in the coming Great Tribulation!!
Hummm...:rolleyes:...I thought it could be Terrorist Osama BinLadin who was shot in the Head and killed and then Dumped in the Ocean...:winksmile:...People sure would Wonder at that rising wouldnt they ???...xo
Again, Ol prophetic774 did not deal with the use of scripture to interpret scripture in interpreting the texts which the dispensationalists claim justify their one man super anti-Christ sitting in a literal rebuilt temple, etc - but did the dialectic side step and posted something he has posted before, not really relevant to the thread.
No wonder the number of readers of the threads on this CDFF forum is dropping.
Actually Halfback I agree with you criticism of the pre-trib dispensationalists since I believe Jesus will come for all of His saints on the Last Day of the 1260 day Great Tribulation{Post-Trib}. And I also agree with you that the Beast {666} will not have to enter a rebuilt Jewish Temple.
I also agree that anti-christ is not the proper name for the Beast of the End Times since 666 is called the Beast 36 times and not the anti-christ in Revelation and all who are against Christ can be called anti-christs.
Revelation 13:5-10: "The Beast {666} will exercise his authority for 42 months {Or 1260 days or 3 1/2 times}......He will be given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he will be given authority over *EVERY* tribe, people, language and nation. *ALL* inhabitants of the earth will worship the Beast {666}--all whose names have not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb...This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints."
"Revelation 13:5-10: "The Beast {666} will exercise his authority for 42 months {Or 1260 days or 3 1/2 times}......He will be given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he will be given authority over *EVERY* tribe, people, language and nation. *ALL* inhabitants of the earth will worship the Beast {666}--all whose names have not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb...This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints."
The description of first beast of Revelation 13 begins in verse 2 as being like a leopard, a bear, and a lion, which refers to the Daniel 7 beasts, who are the same except for the fourth dreadful and terrible beast. Then in 13: 3 one of the heads of the first beast was wounded to death, but his wound was healed and all the world wondered after the beast.
Then in verses 5 to 7 the first beast is referred to a a "he."
The dispensationalist insistence on consistent literalism can mess up an understanding of what the first beast is.
Calling the first beast a "he" does not necessarily mean this is one man, the super one man beast. Nor is the second beast of Revelation 13: 11-18 is not one man, but is a type, representing many false prophets.
To be consistent with Daniel 2 and Daniel 7, the first beast would be a government, an empire. The head of the beast whose deadly wound was healed sounds like the nation of Israel, also the little horn of Daniel 7: 8.
"Calling the first beast a "he" does not necessarily mean this is one man, the super one man beast. Nor is the second beast of Revelation 13: 11-18 is not one man, but is a type, representing many false prophets. To be consistent with Daniel 2 and Daniel 7, the first beast would be a government, an empire. The head of the beast whose deadly wound was healed sounds like the nation of Israel, also the little horn of Daniel 7: 8."
���� Revelation 13:17b,18: "The mark of the beast {Or antichrist} is the *NAME* of the Beast or the number of *HIS NAME*. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, *LET HIM* calculate the number of the Beast {Even in AD 96 when Revelation was written}, for it is a man's number {Or "Number of a MAN"}. *HIS* number is *666*." God has promised in the above inspired passage that any saint {Even in AD 96--which implies that the name was known in AD 96} with spiritual wisdom and insight may calculate the name of the beast which is a *MAN'S NAME* and adds up to 666.
During the last year of his rule Domitian Caesar decreed that everyone in the Roman Empire must worship idols of former Roman Caesar's or else they would be killed or put in prison. Historical documents show us that the Apostle John {Who then lived in Ephesus} lived to about AD 100 and therefore would have been alive during Domitian's evil decree of September AD 95 to September of AD 96.� Since we can be sure that the Apostle John would never worship an idol of a Roman Caesar it is then highly probable that John was put in prison on Patmos Isle sometime during Domitian's evil decree from September AD 95 to September AD 96.
������ In Thess 2:3 the Beast of the End-Times is called a "*MAN* of sin or lawlessness" or very SINFUL MAN and therefore the name of the Beast which adds up to 666 is a *MAN'S* name which is also confirmed in Rev 13:17b,18 above. Therefore, the NAME of the Beast which adds up to 666 is a sinful *MAN'S NAME* and could not be the name of a woman or a city, country, computer or Satan, etc..� 666 is also identified with a MASCULINE pronoun 28 times in God's Word which we will show later.
Rev 13:16,17: "He {The False Prophet} forced everyone... to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead. No one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name {666}. 666 is called a "BEAST" 36 {6x6} times in Revelation. The BEAST is a much better name than the antichrist since anti-christ is mentioned 5 times in God's Word {I John 2:18{2X}, 22; 4:3; 2 John 1:7} and each time the word encompasses all who are against Christ.� Such as I John 2:18: "Even now many anti-christs have come."�
����� 666 is referred to in the MASCULINE gender 28 times and the Beast is never referred to in the feminine or neuter gender.� It is interesting to note that if the Beast of the end-times will be a religious organization, country or city it would be referred to in the female or neuter gender!!!� The masculine pronouns used for the Beast are "HIS" 11 times: Rev 13:1, 5,16b,18b; 14:9,11; 17:7b; 19:2; 20:4(2X) & Daniel 7:26.� "HE" 10 times: Rev 13:1;6a,7a,7; 17:8b; 17:11; 2 Thess 2:6; Daniel 7:24,25 & Daniel 9:27.�� "HIM" 5 times: Rev 13:4b; 19:20; 2 Thess 2:6; Daniel 7:25 & Daniel 9:27.� "HIMSELF" 2 times in 2 Thess 2:4.
There will be 2 Comings of Jesus on the same Last Day.� The First Coming will be *FOR* His saints and His second Coming will be *WITH* His saints on Heavenly White Horses right after they celebrate the Marriage Feast of the Lamb. {Read Rev 19:7-9 & Rev 17:11,14} And then the Beast {666} and his False Prophet will be thrown *ALIVE* into Hell!!
Revelation 19:11,16,14,19,20: "I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse whose Rider is called Faithful and True..On His robe and on His thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS!...The armies of Heaven were following Him, riding white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean {See Rev 19:7,8} ... Then I saw the Beast {666} and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the Rider on the horse and his army. But the Beast was captured, and with *HIM* the False Prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on *HIS* behalf{See Rev 13:11-17} With those signs *HE* had deluded those who had received the mark of the Beast and worshiped *HIS* image. The *TWO* of them were thrown *ALIVE* into the fiery lake of burning sulfur." Rev 19:20: "And the Devil:devil: was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the Beast:devil: and the False Prophet:devil: had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.!"
"Rev 13:16,17: "He {The False Prophet} forced everyone... to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead. No one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name {666}. 666 is called a "BEAST" 36 {6x6} times in Revelation. The BEAST is a much better name than the antichrist since anti-christ is mentioned 5 times in God's Word {I John 2:18{2X}, 22; 4:3; 2 John 1:7} and each time the word encompasses all who are against Christ. Such as I John 2:18: "Even now many anti-christs have come."
Some Facebook Remnant people and I looked at Revelation 13: 18, on whether the number 666 is applied to "A man," or to man as all men. I joined a Yahoo Group, WhichVersion, and asked what the Greek in that verse says. One guy who knows more Greek than I do said John's Greek is not very good, and its not clear whether the number 666 is of man in general or of A man. Despite all the problems with the New International Version, it has "for it is man's number. His number is 666." A Westcott-Hort Greek-English Interlinear has it is man's number. Again, with all the problems with the Westcott-Hort Greek, it goes against the Textus Receptus Interlinear I have, it has for anthropou estin "number a man's it is."
John's Greek ""anthropou estin" is not real clear whether he is saying its the number of A man or of man as a species.
The 6,7 and 8 cycle is given in a very brief way in Revelation 17: 11, "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."
The beast is said to have been in number seven, which is God's rest (Genesis 2:2-3, Hebrews 4: 3, 5). It is implied in Revelation 17: 11 that before the beast was in number seven, it was in number six, which is man's position - in Genesis 1: 26, 31. Man was created on the sixth day, and following the sixth day God rested. God's rest into which those in Christ are to enter is number seven.
Since man's number, before he is born again by the Spirit in Jesus Christ, which is God's rest, is number six. 666 refers to unregenerated man or man as a species, anthropos. Our English word "anthropomorphise" means to attribute to a human the traits of an animal, abstract concept or construct, hence, to claim that what is called a beast in prophecy must be one man.
