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Posted : 9 Nov, 2011 12:54 PM

First and foremost this is a bible term, but it is not a term that eliminates the lost from the ability to respond to the word of God and thus receive the word of God, which is the same as it has been and will continue to be under this covenant, No matter how it is projected about who God is and his abilities, it is he that has established that for the lost, a sinner, one not in the family of God is already welcome.



The Welcome Mat is out to any that will answer the word of God, there are no exceptions in the word of God.



2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:



Any and all scripture is able to bring to past, the declaration within itself, in the heart of man,



The traditions of men will try to eliminate scripture, or add to, and take away from to fit their own doctrine, but this practice will bring self deception to the individual that holds to any tradition of men.



All scripture's have with in them self the ability to bring to past the declaration of the word. That is faith...



Often it is said in defense of the election teaching, that some are eliminated from the family of God the father never eliminates any one .



It is he that calleth things that be not as though they are and expects his children to do the same, and in his heart all are saved, that is the expectancy of faith according to the sacrifice made for the lost.



It requires two scriptures to establish the will of God on any topic, and yes it is known that some would say have fifty scriptures that say otherwise, that is a spiritual impossibility.



So for the lost here are three scriptures to establish the will of God to the lost.



Mk 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Mk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.



Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Jn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.



2nd Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

2nd Cor 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

2nd Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

2nd Cor 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ�s stead, be ye reconciled to God.

2nd Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

2nd Cor 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

2nd Cor 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succored thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

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Posted : 9 Nov, 2011 01:06 PM

Heresy.......unless the heart is changed by God non can respond to anything. So says the bible.





Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.



John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.



Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.



Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.



Psalms 10:4 The wicked in his proud countenance does not seek [God]; God [is] in none of his thoughts.



Psalms 14:2-3 The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God. (3) They have all turned aside, They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one.



Psalms 119:155 Salvation [is] far from the wicked, For they do not seek Your statutes.



Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.



Isa 64:7 And [there is] none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities.



Isa 65:1 I am sought of [them that] asked not [for me]; I am found of [them that] sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation [that] was not called by my name.



Hos 7:10 And the pride of Israel testifieth to his face: and they do not return to the LORD their God, nor seek him for all this.



Rom 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.



Matthew 18:12-14 "What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? (13) "And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. (14) "Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.



John 8:43-47 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. (44) You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. (45) But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. (46) Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? (47) He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God."

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.



Romans 8:5-9 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. (6) For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. (7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. (8) So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. (9) But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

{In verse 7, "nor indeed can be" means "for it is unable to do so".}

{Unregenerate man is unable to do what is "pleasing to God"; namely, repent & believe}

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Posted : 9 Nov, 2011 01:15 PM

Scripture builds line upon line it never takes away from scripture the post is specific concerning the perfect will of God for the lost.

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Posted : 9 Nov, 2011 01:24 PM

:applause:...Amen ! AMEN !!!...PJ...



Donna...there is NO Heresy in the Word of the Most High GOD...the Name above ALL Names...and that name is Jesus* the Christ....Not John Calvin...



Praise God...and Thank you Jesus for your Truth and Words are Forever Pure and Rightious...xo

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Posted : 9 Nov, 2011 01:37 PM

"Donna...there is NO Heresy in the Word of the Most High GOD...the Name above ALL Names...and that name is Jesus* the Christ....Not John Calvin."









so Pj is correct and the bible is wrong??????????

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Posted : 9 Nov, 2011 02:11 PM

Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

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Posted : 9 Nov, 2011 02:25 PM

That is in Referance to a Un-Born Again Un-Regenerated person...here is a Scripture verse that says peole "Seek" after the Lord Jesus...even them that are Un-Born Again and Un-Regenerated for Pentacost had not Happened yet...see below...

Mar 1:37 And when (they) had found (him), they said unto him,[[[ All ]]] G3956 [men] [[[ seek ]]] G2212 for thee.



All ~ G3956 ~ Pas ~

1) individually

a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything

2) collectively

a) some of all types



Seek ~ G2212 ~ zeteo ~

1) to seek in order to find

a) to seek a thing

b) to seek [in order to find out] by thinking, meditating, reasoning, to enquire into

c) to seek after, seek for, aim at, strive after

2) to seek i.e. require, demand

a) to crave, demand something from someone



The Word is Right...PJ is only Giving the Simple Word (Jesus) in Context and Not another persons Interpretation of it out of Context...Be Blessed...xo

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Posted : 9 Nov, 2011 03:12 PM

It is never a case of PJ being right not ever nor does he think or believe that, it is always what the word of God, Jesus says. It is The word of God that is the will of God.

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Posted : 9 Nov, 2011 03:43 PM

:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

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Posted : 9 Nov, 2011 04:15 PM

Its 100% truth that NO ONE can come to JESUS unless GOD calls them.



"For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.� John 6:65



Its 100% correct, once CALLED WE make the CHOICE to FOLLOW JESUS(and continue in him)



"Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone WISHES(Desires/wils) to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me." Matthew 16:24



"To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps." 1 Peter 2:21



If We with our WILL wish to follow JESUS, He told us what to do(DAILY in luke) THis is what we are CALELD to. We are CALLED to Choose, CALLED to FOLLOW...but WE choose once brought TO him if WE will make those steps in faith in him.



its 100% Correct that FEW will find the door.(Even after called TO IT, Many will not find it...lots of scripture to back this up if you are interested)



it is 100% Correct that those FEW are the Elect Called out assembly.



it is 100% Correct that these Elect are the ones who Walk according to the BLOOD covenat of JESUS CHRIST. They are the ones who are Walking, and growing from Faith to Faith(Romans 1:17) and Glory to Glory(2 Corinthians 3:18)



The elect who CHOSE to follow JESUS, and CHOOSE to deny self daily, are the ones who Reflect JESUS more today, then Yeterday, Who have an ever increasing HUNGER for him then they did the day before....they dont let Religion, "church" , Man, keep them from beign ONE with the SPIRIT of the most high...they dont focus on flesh, as much as they did yesterday, they focus on JESUS there CUP is ever growing, and ever cleaning, and ever overflowing with the Agape of Christ JESUS...





See its REALLY a mixture of both.

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Posted : 9 Nov, 2011 05:27 PM

Donna 90% of PJs post was scripture he just eplained it which you do all the time, the word of Gos ia always right and we or at least I do and I am almost 100% sure PJ does too except that God calls us, why is it that is so hard for peole to accept we dont ever say God doesnt call we just decide, we always say God calls and then we eother submit or reject. That is just the way it is and there most certainly are people who are called and they do not submit. I know this because I have seen it. The dealing of God in someones life (if you are spirit filled and have the decernment that brings) is un mistakable..



for example; I know a girl who has been pretty bad she has been in trouble, she was on probation for 5 years and she was doing bad stuff anyway still using drugs (I know her mother very well) and doing things but they couldnt catch her.. Guess what I our her on our prayer list at church for salcation and in just a few weeks her whole world was falling apart she was homeless then she moved in with her ex boyfriend then guess what! She got her probation violated only it was a mistake and she is in jail to this day.. Why is she in jail? they dont have any reason to hold her.. But God is dealing with her, he has got her in a place where he can talk to her without the effects of drugs and men and so on so she can come to the end of her self and realize her need for God.. that is the hand of God and the result of prayer

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