Thread: No One Can Come to Father Except Thru The Son:
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No One Can Come to Father Except Thru The Son:
Posted : 10 Nov, 2011 02:05 PM
When we speak of Jesus we normally are speaking of The one manifested in the Flesh, which he is, but he and the word are one there is no separation of the written Word and the word made flesh.
Here is a nugget for those that will receive it, it was by the written word first that Jesus was brought into this natual realm, and then the Holy Spirit completes the Word of God.
For anyone to get to the Father they must go the way of The son, or they must go by the way of the word of faith, and all of the word of God is of faith.
I said this to say that one can not be born again by a corrupted seed or by the doctrine's of men or the tradition's of sin, which are not of faith, but sin.
It is continaully posted on this site that man can not believe God in his fallen state as in accordance to the doctrine's of man, and thushe is unable to believe GoD which is in total denial of the word of God, and thus it is said that he must be regenarted bt the Holy Spirit, that he might be then be able to believe.
Not so the word of God totally contradicts that doctrine in word and example.
Now all that wa said not to cause strife but to exhort those given to that doctrine to take heed becuase all that cause to doubt and stumble their blood is on you, and all those that proclaim such as the word of God.
No man can come to God but thru The Word of God by Faith.
No other way will ever be accpeted, The Holy Spirit will never work in opposition to any word that is not of faith.
Be Blessed and sincerely consider this truth that is availble to all that will have a ear to hear and eyes to see, the Holy Spirit is available to all to bear witness to the Truth, The Perfect Will Of God.
By no means am I implying it is hard to enter the family of God for the father will accept any that call upon him, believing in him.
It is continaully posted on this site that man can not believe God in his fallen state
But the Bible says:
1 Cor. 2:14
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
PJ said:
thus it is said that he must be regenarted bt the Holy Spirit, that he might be then be able to believe.
But Jesus says:
3Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again[b] he cannot see the kingdom of God." 4Nicodemus said to him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother�s womb and be born?" 5Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[c] 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You[d] must be born again.' 8 The wind[e] blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."
So, Jesus says that a man can NOT "enter" or even "see" the kingdom of God UNLESS they are already born again.
So what PhillipJohn has said here contradicts what Jesus has plainly said.
AND LETS BE CLEAR.....
PhillipJohn is speaking clearly and telling you what he believes, and JESUS is speaking clearly and telling you that Spiritually dead people must be born again before they can see or enter the Kingdom of God.
to James and Donna and AWM, this is how men can believe on Jesus without being saved, accept it or not its the word of God
Romans 12:3 for I say,through the grace given unto me,to EVERY man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly thatn he ought to think; but to think soberly according as (watch it here it comes) GOD HATH DEALT TO MAN THE MEASURE OF FAITH..... EVERY MAN:nahnah::nahnah::nahnah:
Elisha Roman's is the picture of what man received in the new birth, the measure of faith as man responded to the word of God, all receive the same measure, and this faith is merely as a platform to go forward as man continues to hear the word of God then faith comes from the topic.
An example would be faith for healing would come when one finds out what the word of God says about healing, and then mixes faith with the word.
Elisha Roman's is the picture of what man received in the new birth, the measure of faith as man responded to the word of God, all receive the same measure, and this faith is merely as a platform to go forward as man continues to hear the word of God then faith comes from the topic.
An example would be faith for healing would come when one finds out what the word of God says about healing, and then mixes faith with the word.
It is continaully posted on this site that man can not believe God in his fallen state
But the Bible says:
1 Cor. 2:14
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
PJ said:
thus it is said that he must be regenarted bt the Holy Spirit, that he might be then be able to believe.
James these are not Statements Jesus ever made or ever would ever agree with, they are statements made by Calvinist that put their own meaning to the word of God in lieu of obeying what is written.
3Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again[b] he cannot see the kingdom of God." 4Nicodemus said to him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother�s womb and be born?" 5Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[c] 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You[d] must be born again.' 8 The wind[e] blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."
So, Jesus says that a man can NOT "enter" or even "see" the kingdom of God UNLESS they are already born again.
So what PhillipJohn has said here contradicts what Jesus has plainly said.
No Phillip believes this statement Jesus made and he understand's the same statement, what I do not accept is the reasoning of man that thus say's man is then regenarated by the Holy Spirit, which is not of faith, nor in agreement with the word of God
The parable of the sower makes it real clear but as it is well know here on this forum you will not acknowledge this truth.
Man Can get To the father by any doctrines of men, only by the word of God
PJ that may be true however, it is still saying that every man has a measure of faith , that is how we get saved that little measure of faith, if not for that we dont get saved, because me myself could never muster up enough faith to believe any one ever walked on water, much less made the deaf to hear, blind to see, lame to walk, and definatly not a virgin birth then 3 days in the grave the poof alive again, oh no sir elisha could never come up eith that kind of faith, God gave it to me
this is what I think paul means in romans 12:3 I think its what he means because its what he said..
paraphrase: trll the men around you in your church not to think too highly of themself (because they didnt have enough faith to save themself) God gives every man a little bit of faith enough to believe and get saved..
then and now this is me talking after you intitialy get saved then God grows your faith, by reading the word and by obiedince he proves himself to us, things like being honest in your finances, I make very little money 750 an hour around 250 a week, I in my flesh dont see how i can afford to pay 10 percent of it to the church, but I do it because God said I have to, guess what! we never do without I drive a mustang GT convertable with no payments, all my bills are paid and I always have money in the bank for gas and money to give my daughter, ???? how because he provides for me my barrels are never empty!!! this is how we can trust him, and isnt that really a manifestation of faith? Trusting God!
