Yet another question/ what about the little children?
Posted : 11 Nov, 2011 08:31 PM
While I am at work , sometimes my mind drifts to these forumes and I start thinking of the many insane senarios that go along with the "GOD picked out people for Jesus to die for theory" and I have another question for James and Donna and whoever else wants to answer it
If you have children, and you raise them in church? Dont they grow up thinking they are saved? are they? do you tell them welllll its possible that your not really saved cause we dont know if jesus died for you yet, and until you get all grown up and start to sin a whole lot and then maybe the spirit will just come alive in youi one day and then we will know, and then if it dont then we will know your going to hell?? I mean really ?? dont you tell your children they can be saved? then arent you posibly telling them lies, because maybe they cant be saved?
I am sure you dont tell the children in these churches this bologna, you let them go along going to sunday school learning about doubtimg thomas and noahs ark and you never clue them in that you think there is the possibility that Jesus didnt die for them,,, do you???
Yet another question/ what about the little children?
Posted : 12 Nov, 2011 07:03 AM
skirt arount the questiom Donna maybe James or AWM will andswer it but I doubt it, I asked about what you teach children about salvation, do you tell them maybe Jesus didnt die for them, or do you tell them he did die for them? in which care (going by what yall believe) you are possibly telling them lies and they grow up under the impression that Jesus did die for them, why? just because they were brought up in church? another reason tht doctrine doesnt hold water, you cant teach every child Jesus died for them if in fact maybe he didnt..:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
doesnt make sence at all, to me or anyone else with half a brain, I suspect it dont make sence to you either or you might not have been so vauge????????????
Yet another question/ what about the little children?
Posted : 12 Nov, 2011 07:35 AM
No doubt PJ its nonsence, they make some good points but its obvious to me they are decieved and they think they are saved, but people who are saved dont do the name calling ,
I am really curious about the children, and also why they think Jesus gave the great commision?? why would he tell us to work our sanctified hinneys off bringing the gospel to the whole wide world people living in huts with no power and very little fresh running water to bring Jesus to these people in africa and so forth the jungles and stuff, why would he waste our time doing that if the spirit in them is just gonna wake up one day and regenerate them??? please tell me I cant stand all these questions inmy head it drives my CRAZY..lol no but for real, I want to understand why they think Jesus would tell us to do that and what do they tell the children..
PJ I am so sorry that people say such bad stuff to you, it hurts my heart and you just keep on and let the Lord defend you.. I try to but he can do it better than me, their false teachings and mean mouths will not go unpunished, butI dont glory in that I hope that maybe they will get saved..
then they will have spirit fruit nad not flesh works, and they will be kind and loving and full of joy, instead of nastyness and haterd:yay::yay::yay: that would be so awesome
Yet another question/ what about the little children?
Posted : 12 Nov, 2011 10:41 AM
Elisha said:
skirt arount the questiom Donna maybe James or AWM will andswer it but I doubt it, I asked about what you teach children about salvation, do you tell them maybe Jesus didnt die for them, or do you tell them he did die for them?
James replies:
Well, here is me getting your case, because you are IRRITATING me by your EMPTY accusations......
YOU.....belong to a church with bad theology, and YOU......have no knowledge of church history, and YOU......don't have any answers for Questions that WE ASK YOU. YOU have not answered ANY of my questions to you!!
Here is ANOTHER question for YOU elisha.
Do we tell our children that "Maybe Jesus didn't die for them"?
My question to YOU elisha is WHERE are the Bible verses that SAY we are supposed to tell children, "Hey, Jesus died for you."
What chapter and verse is that Elisha????
Because I can't find in my Bible ANYWHERE where Jesus OR the Apostles told people that "Jesus loves you" or "Jesus died for you", whenever they are preaching to the public.
That is some hyper-sentimental thing that a lot of MODERN AMERICAN Christians do that is NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE.
Got that?
Elisha said:
in which care (going by what yall believe) you are possibly telling them lies and they grow up under the impression that Jesus did die for them, why? just because they were brought up in church? another reason tht doctrine doesnt hold water, you cant teach every child Jesus died for them if in fact maybe he didnt..
doesnt make sence at all, to me or anyone else with half a brain, I suspect it dont make sence to you either or you might not have been so vauge????????????
James replies:
We teach our children that because we all sin, and because Adam and Eve sinned, that the only way a person can be saved is by turning from sin as a way of life, and TRUSTING in Jesus for salvation.
We don't run around saying "Jesus loves you, Jesus loves you."
because THAT IS NOT IN THE BIBLE.
We love our children just as much as you do, but the difference is we don't make stuff up that SOUNDS like it would fit on a hallmark card!!
We actually go by what the Bible teaches.
God's love is MUCH more precise and it is all-powerful to save completely and utterly!
Saying "Jesus loves you" to everyone is something the apostles NEVER DID.
There, now I answered your question, and I HOPE.....
Yet another question/ what about the little children?
Posted : 12 Nov, 2011 11:30 AM
Two promises establish the will of God on any topic:
Faith for children to be deliverd from the God of this world:
Mal 2:15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
Ge 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Acts 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
Acts 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
Acts 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
Ga 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
2Co 1:20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
The perfect will of God is revealed to all that will humble themself.
Yet another question/ what about the little children?
Posted : 12 Nov, 2011 04:36 PM
James wrote - "My question to YOU elisha is WHERE are the Bible verses that SAY we are supposed to tell children, "Hey, Jesus died for you.""
Your view doesn't allow Jesus to love anyone, including children, unless they are/were created for love. This view shows that we love our own children more than God loves His creation of mankind, in that some are not worthy of the love of God as shown by Christ' death, as they are/were created for the fires of hell. What a pathetic view.
And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and [his] disciples rebuked those that brought [them]. But when Jesus saw [it], he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. -Mark 10:13-14
If such is the kingdom of God, and we are not to suffer the little children to come to Christ, how can you possibly do this without preaching His death for them? Or do you, as Elisha asked, avoid this due to the possibility that maybe some of those young children weren't created for the kingdom of God, but to hell with them instead?
James wrote - "We teach our children that because we all sin, and because Adam and Eve sinned, that the only way a person can be saved is by turning from sin as a way of life, and TRUSTING in Jesus for salvation."
And yet, even though salvation is through the Cross and the death of Christ, you don't preach or teach little children that Jesus died for them? How can a child trust in Jesus for salvation if they aren't afforded the entire Gospel in that it was Jesus' death that brings about salvation? You can't tell a young child that Jesus died for him because your belief prevents this. You have no confidence in His death toward any sinner, because you just might be preaching to the sinner that was created for eternal damnation.
James wrote - "We don't run around saying "Jesus loves you, Jesus loves you.""
No, I imagine you wouldn't. In fact, you can't tell anyone that God loves them. You can't tell anyone that Jesus loves them. Regardless of the fact that 1 John 4:8 tells us that God is love. Regardless of the fact that it was because of love that Christ died. You can't even preach the Gospel with conviction because you just might be preaching the Gospel to someone who Christ didn't die for.
Yet another question/ what about the little children?
Posted : 12 Nov, 2011 06:42 PM
71 said:
James wrote - "My question to YOU elisha is WHERE are the Bible verses that SAY we are supposed to tell children, "Hey, Jesus died for you.""
Your view doesn't allow Jesus to love anyone, including children, unless they are/were created for love. This view shows that we love our own children more than God loves His creation of mankind, in that some are not worthy of the love of God as shown by Christ' death, as they are/were created for the fires of hell. What a pathetic view.
1. You did not give any verses that say that the apostles preached to the world that "Jesus loves you". So, you saying it is pathetic that I don't practice your hyper sentimental attitude does not mean anything BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN SCRIPTURE.
2. The reality is Christians should treat everyone as someone who is possibly elect, and therefore possible someone Jesus died for. What you are REALLY whining about is that GOD is the one who saves, and that Jesus died specifically for them, JUST LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS.
3. God's love is not the hyper-sentimental and PROMISCUOUS love that you want it to be. Promiscuous "love" loves everyone, and throws love around but the love is not deep and forever.
God has CHOSEN the people He loves and He has chosen to give them more than any of us can imagine.
71 said:
And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and [his] disciples rebuked those that brought [them]. But when Jesus saw [it], he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. -Mark 10:13-14
If such is the kingdom of God, and we are not to suffer the little children to come to Christ, how can you possibly do this without preaching His death for them? Or do you, as Elisha asked, avoid this due to the possibility that maybe some of those young children weren't created for the kingdom of God, but to hell with them instead?
James replies:
Sounding nutty again 71. Would you like the link to my church website? We have about 40 children at my church. I know you just want to wallow in the emotional love of children, but see if you can go a bit deeper than that okay?
God works with His chosen people through covenants. We are in the covenant of Grace. God INCLUDES the CHILDREN OF BELIEVERS in the covenant of Grace. At my church we baptize the infants of believers. The passage in Mark that you quoted, is Jesus doing the same thing. Notice it was the PARENTS who were believers in Jesus, bringing their children to him to be blessed. Jesus Did this, and We Christians should do this.
And I KNOW I have said this before, and here I am repeating it to you again.........
YOU CAN'T KNOW who is elect and who isn't and that includes children.
James wrote - "We teach our children that because we all sin, and because Adam and Eve sinned, that the only way a person can be saved is by turning from sin as a way of life, and TRUSTING in Jesus for salvation."
And yet, even though salvation is through the Cross and the death of Christ, you don't preach or teach little children that Jesus died for them? How can a child trust in Jesus for salvation if they aren't afforded the entire Gospel in that it was Jesus' death that brings about salvation? You can't tell a young child that Jesus died for him because your belief prevents this. You have no confidence in His death toward any sinner, because you just might be preaching to the sinner that was created for eternal damnation.
James replies:
Nonsense 71 and you know it. The entire gospel IS preached to everyone, and you are demanding some hyper-sentimental untruths to be ADDED to it. WHY?
Let me ask you 71, if NONE of the disciples went around telling everyone that "Jesus loves you, Jesus loves you" then WHY DO YOU DEMAND IT BE DONE????
If you have a problem with the way Jesus and disciples preached then YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GOD.
Your problem is NOT with me, or the millions and millions of Christians who just follow Scripture.
We preach the Gospel with a desire that the lost be saved, and we care about people, but we do NOT ADD hyper-sentimental junk JUST BECAUSE we think it sounds nice.
You need to change your attitude on this.
In Christ,
James
James wrote - "We don't run around saying "Jesus loves you, Jesus loves you.""
No, I imagine you wouldn't. In fact, you can't tell anyone that God loves them. You can't tell anyone that Jesus loves them. Regardless of the fact that 1 John 4:8 tells us that God is love. Regardless of the fact that it was because of love that Christ died. You can't even preach the Gospel with conviction because you just might be preaching the Gospel to someone who Christ didn't die for.
Yet another question/ what about the little children?
Posted : 13 Nov, 2011 08:53 AM
James says I iritate him??? does anyone rememeber that being a fruit of the spirit???:ROFL::ROFL:
of corse I irritate you james you have no decernment that I truly wanted an answer, and you are working through your flesh so you dont have the power to be forbaring, and know Idont need knowlege of your so called church history because it isnt neccasary, even stupid people like me can be saved James, or is that a requirement to be obe of "the elect" to be smart?? you dont have the fruit you claim to have as evidence by your mean tone in your reply to me..
and jesus did say for us to tell people he died for them its called the great commision, wow how could you miss that??
