Thread: What about the passages that speak of God's desire for all to be saved?
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What about the passages that speak of God's desire for all to be saved?
Posted : 12 Nov, 2011 08:03 PM
What about the passages that speak of God's desire for all to be saved?
Proponents of what is (misleadingly) called �unlimited atonement� are quick to point out the many passages that speak of Christ's death as being for �all the world,� and other similar phrases. The bible is, in fact, clear that Christ's death was intended to save �all� in a variety of contexts: it was intended to save �all� who believe (John 3:16); it was intended to save people from �all� kindreds, tribes, tongues, and nations (Rev. 5:9); it was intended to save persons from �all� classes, rich or poor, slave or free, king or peasant, man or woman, Jew or Greek (Gal. 3:28; 1 Tim. 2:1-6). Thus, his death is spoken of in a variety of places as being intended for �all,� or �the world�. For example, John 1:29; Titus 2:11-14 [in the context of �all men� is the delimiting concept of a peculiar people, zealous of good works]; Heb 2:9-10 [notice that the many sons whom Christ brings to glory gives a contextual delimiter to the term �every�]; 2Pe 3:9 [note that this desire is explicitly limited to �us� (Peter was writing to fellow-believers) in the context]; 1Jo 2:2 [propitiation means �appeasement of wrath�; either Jesus appeases God's wrath against all, and therefore hell (which is the place where God's wrath resides) is non-existent; or the �whole world� means something different than �every individual who ever lived�. See John 11:51-52 for a clear verbal parallel that gives strong support of the Johannine emphasis on Christ's death being, not just for ethnic Jews, but for people across the whole world].
In sum, yes, the bible often speaks of Christ's death as being for the whole world; and that is because of the paradigm-shattering reality that, when Christ came to redeem a people, he intended to redeem that people from every nation under heaven, quite out of keeping with the expectations of the majority of the Jewish people.
As a final note, it is instructive to look at other ways in which the terms �world,� �all,� etc., are used throughout the New Testament. The word �all� is often used to indicate all of a set, or even many representatives of a set (Mat 10:22; 1Co 6:12; 15:22; Mat 2:3; Joh 4:29; Act 10:39; 17:21; 21:28; 26:4); or, to indicate all �classes� or �nations,� not all individuals (Mat 5:11; Act 2:17; 10:12). The word �world� is often used in the sense of �many,� or �all of a set� (Luk 2:1-2; Joh 6:33; 12:19; Act 19:27; Rom 1:8).
What about the passages that speak of God's desire for all to be saved?
Posted : 13 Nov, 2011 06:32 AM
What does this post have in commom with these scriptures?
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
What about the passages that speak of God's desire for all to be saved?
Posted : 13 Nov, 2011 11:36 AM
@ James, you didnt prove anything at all, because when God says the world he means the world, come onnow this is a bunch of bull, yeah part of the world that makes perfect sence:ROFL::ROFL: almost all the scriptures you quoted proves it, you have been sent strong delusion to believe a lie, but youll never see it! I do hate that I really do.
do yall ever wonder if we might be right? what if you do have to say a sinners prayer to be saved? than for you all is lost cause you dont think you have to do anything, but in the bible God always had men to do something, further more every covenant has 2 sides
