Within modern Christian fellowships there are those which believe Yeshua paid the sin payment for 'EVERY SINGLE PERSON'.
If this is true then Cain,Ceasar,Hitler,Mussilini,Stalin,Hiro Hiato,Pol Pot,and even the war mongers within America ( ooops my bad,The Homeland);
These also have had their sin debt paid for,thus these are also 'SAVED' from the wrath of YHWH against their sin(s).
Yet let us look into the following Scripture to find who this Word of YHWH has been addressed to.
Remember there are (2),two words which are repeated throughout the Scriptures.
These (2),two wrods are 'WE,and'US'
Upon reading this Scripture according to the 'CONTEXT' ask yourself;
'Did Yeshuas death account for the payment of the 'Sin debt' of the 'ENTIRE of MANKIND'
Shalom
Me
1Jn 1:1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we beheld, and what our hands touched, as regards the Word of Life.
1Jn 1:2 And the Life was revealed, and we have seen, and we bear witness, and we announce to you the everlasting Life which was with the Father, and was revealed to us.
1Jn 1:3 We announce to you what we have seen, and what we have heard, that you also may have fellowship with us. And truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son, Jesus Christ.
1Jn 1:4 And we write these things to you, that your joy may be full.
1Jn 1:5 And this is the message which we have heard from Him, and we proclaim to you: God is light, and no darkness is in Him, none!
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and we walk in darkness, we lie and are not practicing the truth.
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of His Son Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous that He may forgive us the sins, and may cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us.
@PEEEJAY!!!:ROFL::ROFL: do these people npt pay their tithes???? really are there people out there that believe that puts us under the old laws?? thats nuts, what kind of Christians, dont pay tithes, and they drink? wow do they fornicate too?? what about gambling is that alright? We are forgiven and not under the law, but that doesnt mean Gods laws have changed it simply means Jesus paid the price for us to be free from the punishment, that alone should be a reason not to break Gods laws, He died for me so that my sin didnt send me to hell, I think its a mockery for me to go out and openly do the things that Jesus payed the price for, it seems very disrespectful, to live like "OH ok Jesus died so I dont have to pay for my sins so now I can go out and do what ever.. WEEE DOGGIE LETS PARTY" NO WAY mot being under the law doesnt mean that, it just means we dont have to go to hell for our past sin and we can get forgivness but you cant keep on living in sin and expect to make heaven your home, your heart must be cleansed of that way of thinking if you dont pay tithes then you are robbing God plain and simple
I see elishabroadway is like the health and wealthers she listens to.
1.She cannot stay on topic.
2.She is under the law according to her recent post.She still tithes,and wants to keep the law.
Elisha says:
@PEEEJAY!!! do these people npt pay their tithes???? really are there people out there that believe that puts us under the old laws?? thats nuts, what kind of Christians, dont pay tithes, and they drink? wow do they fornicate too?? what about gambling is that alright? We are forgiven and not under the law, but that doesnt mean Gods laws have changed it simply means Jesus paid the price for us to be free from the punishment, that alone should be a reason not to break Gods laws, He died for me so that my sin didnt send me to hell, I think its a mockery for me to go out and openly do the things that Jesus payed the price for, it seems very disrespectful, to live like "OH ok Jesus died so I dont have to pay for my sins so now I can go out and do what ever.. WEEE DOGGIE LETS PARTY" NO WAY mot being under the law doesnt mean that, it just means we dont have to go to hell for our past sin and we can get forgivness but you cant keep on living in sin and expect to make heaven your home, your heart must be cleansed of that way of thinking if you dont pay tithes then you are robbing God plain and simple
3.She is just like the health and wealthers,she just tries to shout over those that do not want to be hearing her dribble..
4.She does not want to listen to 'SOUND DOCTRINE'.
Health and wealth teachings only destroy those 'TRYING' to show that they have faith,by 'TRYING' to live according to 'HEALTH AND WEALTH FALSE TEACHINGS'.
Elsiha says:
your heart must be cleansed of that way of thinking if you dont pay tithes then you are robbing God plain and simple
Me:
Tithing puts a burden upon people to be giving that which they do not have.
Yeshuas yoke is easy and His burden is light.
Where within the annuls of the 'NEW COVENANT' do you ever find 'TITHING' any teaching of Yehsua.
I believe this is to be the normal Christian means of giving.
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
2Co 9:6 And this: the one sowing sparingly will also reap sparingly, and the one sowing on hope of blessings will also reap on blessings.
2Co 9:7 Each one as he purposes in his heart, not out of grief or out of necessity, for God loves a cheerful giver. Prov. 22:8
Within modern Christian fellowships there are those which believe Yeshua paid the sin payment for 'EVERY SINGLE PERSON'.
If this is true then Cain,Ceasar,Hitler,Mussilini,Stalin,Hiro Hiato,Pol Pot,and even the war mongers within America ( ooops my bad,The Homeland);
*** I Truely do NOT Believe these people listed above are or were Born Again Believers in Christ Jesus for obvious reasons...and the LORD will judge them accordingly....Its a Choice to Believe in Christ Jesus and be Obediant unto Him...and YES !!!...Jesus paid the Price for ALL People...it is their Choice to Accept the Gift of GOD's Grace or Reject it...Rejecting the Gift...is Rejecting Christ Jesus...xo
George I do not appreciate you bullying either one of my sisters, you are entitled to your opinion's but in Christ no one is entitled to any opinion's, tithing is only under the law to those that have not renewed their mind to the word of God, As Jesus said it is the truth that youy know that will make you free, otherwise walking in darkness on any matter is being under bondage and Elisha is not under Bondage.
. Thank you brother PJ, and I would like to ad that I make 7.50 an hour I work 39 hours a week I have a teen age daughter I raise alone and last week I got one dollar and 99 cent for child suport and I was lucky to get that, but my bills are paid my barrels are never empty and I have money in the bank, I never miss paying ten percent of my income I pay it every single week in the form of a check, I am not a health and wealth as you call it! But I TRUST GOD I know if he told me to do it and I do what he says he will make sure I am ok that does not mean I am "sewing seads" like the prosperity of benny hen and others teach I dont believe that.
I am for from dribbeling, you are under convitction and now instead of submiting to the conviction of the Holy Spirit you are lashing out at me, because I am light and you are darkness so we are contrary to each other, I was told earlier that becasue I choose to do my best to "present myself a living sacrifice holy and acceptable to God" I do not trus Jesus or as he called him Yeshua (so you know who said it now) But I say my life of holieness is he proof that I have faith and trust him because I show my faith by my works and an example of that is paying tithes. Because I know my God will not leav me hanging I am not afraid to give him 10% because I know he told me to and he wouldnt tell me anything to hurt me... Georgfe its not my fault that your darkness doesnt hold water you dont have to be so mean, you dont pay thithes so your are under conviction.. Isnt the BIBLE GODS WORD and not just the new testement? PJ is righ tht eword has to be rightly divided and paying tithes was never taken off the table and if you have a problem giving that small amount back to God then you have a deeper heart problem, your problem dear is not with me but with yourself, your under conviction, it doesnt feel good, but instead of lashing out, why dont you swollow your pride and repent to God!
