Author	Thread: The Limited number of people, by divine arrangement who actually hear the Gospel
Admin	The Limited number of people, by divine arrangement who actually hear the Gospel Posted : 2 Dec, 2011 12:47 PM THE LIMITED NUMBER OF PEOPLE, BY DIVINE ARRANGEMENT, WHO ACTUALLY HEAR THE GOSPEL. ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ It is difficult to believe that the Triune God intended Christ's death for every man woman and child, the blessing of which is enjoyed upon condition that they believe in him, when he has not arranged for everyone to hear the Gospel. While it is true that Christ has commanded his church to carry the gospel to the nations, it is equally true that many people throughout the course of history have lived and and died in spiritual darkness, never having heard the gospel. And biblical evidence would indicate that God, by determining as he has the recipients of special revelation and by governing the geographic directions of missionary history, determined that some people would not hear the gospel. For example, throughout Israel's history in the Old Testament, God related himself to that nation in a way he never did to any of the Gentile nations. He left the Gentile nations "alienated from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of promise, without hope and without God in the world" (Eph. 2:12). Throughout Old Testament times he "let all the nations go their own way" (Acts 14:16) and "overlooked their ignorance" in the sense that he did nothing directly to overcome it (Acts 17:30). Exclusively to Israel did God entrust the oracles of God (Rom. 3:1-2). And the Psalmist even evokes praise to the Lord because "He has revealed his word to Jacob, his laws and decrees to Israel. He has done this for no other nation; they do not know his laws. Praise the Lord" (Ps. 147:19-20). Furthermore, God adopted only Israel as his son (Rom. 9:4). As God declared to Israel through Amos: "You only have I known ["loved covenantally" ], of all the families of the earth" (Amos 3:2). Accordingly, in their midst alone the shekinah presence of God dwelt. With them he made his covenants, to them he revealed his law, they alone posessed the temple services which instructed them in the salvific ways of God and the promises of God, and theirs were the patriarchs and from them came the Messiah according to the flesh, who is over all, the ever-blessed God (Rom. 9:4-5). During his earthly ministry Christ praised his father, the lord of heaven and earth, that he had HIDDEN the gospel mysteries from the wise and learned and had revealed them to "little children" (Matt. 11:25), tracing his Father's actions to his good pleasure (11:26). He also declared that only those to whom he reveals the Father know him (11:27). On his second missionary journey, Paul and his companions "passed through the Phyrgian and Galatian region, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia; and when they had come to Mysia, they were trying to go into Bithynia, and the Spirit of Jesus did not permit them; and passing by Mysia, they came down to Troas" (Acts 16:6-8). As a result the gospel spread westward into europe and NOT eastward toward Asia, and many Asians died never having heard of Christ. Clearly, the matter of who hears the gospel is under the providential governance of the sovereign God, and he has so arranged gospel history that many people will never hear about Christ. It is unthinkable to supppose then that God sent his Son to save people who, by the ordering of his own providence, never hear the gospel in order that they may believe and be saved. From: A New Systematic Theology of the Christian Faith by: Dr. Robert L. Reymond Sincerely, James Post Reply
View Profile History	The Limited number of people, by divine arrangement who actually hear the Gospel Posted : 2 Dec, 2011 01:01 PM This post is according to reformation theology and it is against the one true Gospel Post Reply
View Profile History	The Limited number of people, by divine arrangement who actually hear the Gospel Posted : 2 Dec, 2011 02:45 PM Another assertion with any evidence. What specifically is incorrect PJ. In Christ, James Post Reply
View Profile History	The Limited number of people, by divine arrangement who actually hear the Gospel Posted : 2 Dec, 2011 05:12 PM My evidence is and always has been the word of God, that you have denied every time it has been presented to you by any christian. I will say it again as I have many times before any time you are willing to be accountable publicly we proclaim the Gospel according to Jesus as I always have. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	The Limited number of people, by divine arrangement who actually hear the Gospel Posted : 2 Dec, 2011 05:39 PM Amen James. Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	The Limited number of people, by divine arrangement who actually hear the Gospel Posted : 2 Dec, 2011 07:22 PM God origiginaly just chose israel, but we (the gentiles) are grafted in the vine through Christ Jesus! If its not available to all of us then why the change? Why didnt he just choose Israel ? Becasue salvation is avaliable to everyone thats why! Post Reply
View Profile History	The Limited number of people, by divine arrangement who actually hear the Gospel Posted : 2 Dec, 2011 07:39 PM Elisha, Who said "Many are called but few are chosen"? In Christ, James Post Reply
View Profile History	The Limited number of people, by divine arrangement who actually hear the Gospel Posted : 2 Dec, 2011 08:01 PM James who said they are not willing that any should perish, if you understood faith you would not have ask that last question, for it has nothing to do with what the father's will is for the lost. Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	The Limited number of people, by divine arrangement who actually hear the Gospel Posted : 2 Dec, 2011 11:06 PM AMEN PJ, once again JAmes I will run you through it, many are called few are chosen do you get Jesus drift here? He is saying not all that are called will be chosen, do you think he will call someone and then deny them salvation? UHH no they dont become one of the chosen the "few" if you will becasue they dont heed the call! In fact that scripture you just quoted completly disproves your doctorine, becasue you say that only the chosen the "elect" are called! But that contridicts what Jesus says there he says MANY are called FEW are chosen or become the chosen! Come on now you know good and well that if Jesus or the spirit draws or calls them then God did his part he wouldnt call them and then say well your not one of the elect so poof to hell with ya! No he calls then we are given a choice and that scripture you quoted proves it!:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL: BLESS YOUR HEART TOO (just kidding brother James you know I love you) But really think about it Many are called Few are chosen ! Why would he call you if you werent the Elect and if you were the Elect from what you say then if you are called you will endure till the end! You dont have to thank me for clearing that up for ya:ROFL: Post Reply
View Profile History	The Limited number of people, by divine arrangement who actually hear the Gospel Posted : 3 Dec, 2011 04:54 AM we know that in everything god works for good with those who love him,who are CALLED according to HIS purpose. for those whom he FOREKNEW he also PREDESTINATED to BE CONFORFMED to the image of his son,in order that he might be the first born among many brethren.And those whom he PREDESTINATED he also CALLED;And those whom he called he also justified;And those whom he justified he also glorified.ROMANS 8;28-30 or this one. .....for they stumble as they were DESTINED TO DO.but you are a CHOSEN RACE,a royal priesthood,a holy nationGODS OWN PEOPLE,that you may declare the wonderful deeds of him who CALLED you out of darkness into his marvelous light.1.Peter 2;8,9 or though they were NOT YET BORN and had DONE NOTHING EITHER GOOD OR BAD,in order that gods purpose of ELECTION might continue,not because of works,but because of HIS CALL,she was told"the elder will serve the younger.as it is written"JACOB I LOVED BUT ESAU I HATED"What shall we say then?Is there injustice on gods part?By no means!For he says to moses,"I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY,I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM IHAVE COMPASSION,so it depends,not on mans will or mans exertion,but upon GODS MERCY.For the scripture says to pharaoh,I HAVE RAISED YOU UP for the VERY PURPOSE of showing my power in you,so that my name be proclaimed in all the earth!So then he HAS MERCY UPON WHOMEVER HE WILLS,and HE HARDENS THE HEART OF WHOMEVER HE WILLS.you will say to me then,why does he still find fault?For who can resist his will?But WHO ARE YOU,A MAN,TO ANSWER BACK TO GOD?WILL WHAT IS MOLDED SAY TO ITS MOLDER "WHY HAVE YOU MADE ME THIS WAY"?has the POTTER NO RIGHT OVER THE CLAY,TO MAKE OUT OF THE SAME LUMP ONE VESSEL FOR BEAUTY AND ONE VESSEL FOR COMMON USE,what if god,desiring to show us his WRATH,and to make known his power,has endured,with much patience,the VESSELS OF WRATH MADE FOR DESTRUCTION,in order to make known the riches of his glory for the VESSELS OF MERCY,wich HE HAS PREPARED BEFOREHAND FOR GLORY? ROMANS 9;10-24 The doctrine of election is only part of the much broader biblical doctrine of gods ABSOLUTE SOVEREIGNTY I dont know how you can get anything else out of this passage or the hundreds more like it!It is god who chooses his people PEIRIOD!!!!!!WE have no part in the selection process, In Christ Steven Post Reply
View Profile History	The Limited number of people, by divine arrangement who actually hear the Gospel Posted : 3 Dec, 2011 05:03 AM Well Steve you Can believe the word of God with your heart, for trying to believe God with your mind is at enmity with God. Post Reply

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