Author	Thread: ElishaBroadway wanted to know if it was a sin for her to buy "this itty bitty blue Christimas tree"..?
Admin	ElishaBroadway wanted to know if it was a sin for her to buy "this itty bitty blue Christimas tree"..? Posted : 5 Dec, 2011 05:45 AM ElishaBroadway writes: "@ AWM I bought a little bitty blue shiney tree for 1 dollar at the dollar store , its artificial and doesnt even look real it is the onlt decorations I have for Christmas, in your opinion have I commited sin?" Hmmm...? {a wise man thinking} Ok! If you were real thirsty, as in having come from three days in the desert without any water whatsoever, and came to me and said, "Please..WATER! I need water!" And I said, "Wait and I will give you some PURE WATER to refresh and quench your thirst"; but as I was nearing with a crystal clear glass of water, you saw me [because I wanted you to see me do it, for I was looking in your eyes to make certain that you knew what I was doing], that I took one of my fingers and ""STUCK IT INTO THE WATER"" and then proceeded to extend the glass of water to you, for you to drink. What would you think? Would you still think that the water "IS PURE", or that it is polluted? So, it is with your worship of the Lord, and the smallest of sin and error that you intentionally withhold. "A little leaven leavens the whole lump." [Gal 5:9] awm Post Reply
View Profile History	ElishaBroadway wanted to know if it was a sin for her to buy "this itty bitty blue Christimas tree"..? Posted : 5 Dec, 2011 06:31 AM Well, for anyone wanting to know the difference between good and bad exigesis, we have Galatians 5:9 being provided by Wackoman. Now, AWM USED this verse to say that having a Christmas tree is bad. The problem is, IF..........we are interested in what God's Word says, we must look for the WRITER"S INTENT, and not just USE a verse for anything we want to. So the question is, Was Paul talking about Christmas trees In Galatians 5? If we read the context, the surrounding text, we find that Paul was NOT talking about Christmas trees, he was talking about something else entirely. What was the situation Paul was dealing with concerning the church in Galatia? Were the Galatians putting up Christmas trees and bowing down and worshiping them? Or was it something else that was going on. Remember, the NUMBER ONE mistake when it comes to interpreting the Bible is ignoring the CONTEXT of a verse. We want to know what the WRITER MEANT, not what we can MAKE a verse mean. In Christ, James Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	ElishaBroadway wanted to know if it was a sin for her to buy "this itty bitty blue Christimas tree"..? Posted : 5 Dec, 2011 08:17 AM For the record I did not ask AWM had I commited sin what I said was "In your opinion have I commited sin" HUGE difference! My intentions were to find out if his thoughts on Christmas trees were as he said they were , ie: his comments about the money spent that "takes foor out of your childrens mouths" or that fact that we have chopped down trees and not used them to build or ate them , to see if he was making legalistic statements of if what he was saying was valid! You see God doesnt make rules and wait for us to break them so he can conk us on the head! He made laws for us to keep for our own protection , every single one of them! If my tree is sin I am sure its coverd under grace because I have not inkling that its sin! I really dont think it is! In thge prophet Jerimiahs day there were not artificial trees, yes I can see God not wanting us to waste trees for decoration that need to be used for building and making things we need, or that are needed for the enviroment or needed for food! If you used those trees neded for other things for a decoration just to look pretty thats pride and vanity! That would be worshiping a tree if you sacrifice things that are needful in prder to have a tree all decorated so that you can have the same things other people had, thats pride! Further more dont misunderstand the things I say! Always remember that I am never asking you (awm) for godly council! That would be insainity since you dont believe in the things I believe in! You talk so much about legalism and never about holyness and seperation for God! all these rules you want to make people believe they should go by makes you no better than the pharacies. You see true hollyness comes from the regeneration of the Holy Spirit! Not by outwardly trying to obey little rules like not haing a Christmas tree! True Holyness and obedience to God comes from the Holy Spirit (who must actuly live inside you first) bringing the feeling of conviction on you and then leading you in the way that will remove the sin from your life! Anything else is legalistic and its like taking your filthy rags and trying to clean them up and prsent them to God! God rejects that its pride and he hates pride! If you think that you can clean yourself up and God is gonna except it your wrong wrong wrong! God will do the cleaning if you will allow him! He will bring you to an alter of repentence and cleanse you then he will lead you in another direction AWAY from sin! Again Grace doesnt mean you can live indefinatly in willful sin! Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	ElishaBroadway wanted to know if it was a sin for her to buy "this itty bitty blue Christimas tree"..? Posted : 5 Dec, 2011 09:13 AM AWM also to answer your question which really isnt a good metaphor I will say that if I was real thirsty and you stuck your finger in the water I think I would probably drink it anyway! I think that thirst would be quinched by it even if your finger was in it!:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL: Really wasnt a good metaphore you would have had to put mud in it or something to make it not pure anymore! If you put little mud in the water then it wouldnt be pure! Well I guess maybe if your finger ad been in something that was gross like a mud puddle or a cow patty Post Reply
View Profile History	ElishaBroadway wanted to know if it was a sin for her to buy "this itty bitty blue Christimas tree"..? Posted : 5 Dec, 2011 12:45 PM ElishaBroadway writes: "AWM also to answer your question which really isnt a good metaphor I will say that if I was real thirsty and you stuck your finger in the water I think I would probably drink it anyway! I think that thirst would be quinched by it even if your finger was in it! Really wasnt a good metaphore you would have had to put mud in it or something to make it not pure anymore!" Oh really? So, you only think that the water would be defiled or impure, "IF I WERE TO PUT MUD IN IT OR SOMETHING TO NOT MAKE IT PURE ANYMORE"? At what point is something not pure, to you? Here is an example of PURE, and NOT PURE! I was once an environmental contractor who dealt with Asbestos abatement and supressing lung hazards associated with asbestos fibers, and such a sentiment would have gotten you sued. We were required to vacuum the air, and test it with polarized-light microscopies, to determine if the smallest amount of this carcinigenic substance remained. The fibers are so small that you cannot see them with the naked eye. Here is this little microscopic fiber, like a glass straw, floating and hovering in the air, until you walk by, and INHALE IT, where it sticks to the wall of your lung, embedding itself into the mucus. Then it begins to agitate the lung tissue, scratching it, and then soon the lung tissue begins to enclose it and incapsulate it in scar tissue. If you breath enough of these silica straws, you will develop asbestosis, which makes it very hard for you to breath and extract oxygen. And then after a period of time, that encapsulated fiber, will POKE THROUGH that lung wall, and slip into the lining between the lungs and the ribs, into the fluid that it there, where it will poison that fluid, causing an incurable disease to come upon you called, Mesothelioma. Are you for real? You'd still consider that water to be pure, even if someone placed their finger in it? Well, what if that finger had a cut, and a microscopic amount of blood, too small for the naked eye to see, containing HIV were to slip into your mouth, where a sore had been bothering you for some time..? This is how people contract HIV, HCV, HBV, and a slew of communicable diseases. Here is the last thing I want to state about this subject of PURITY. Most young people and people in general, who use hypodermic needles to inject drugs into their bodies, do not realize the severe dangers of sharing a needle with someone else, or even coming behind someone in a tatoo parlor, like Pamela Anderson, who got a tatoo behind her ex-husband, rocker, Tommy Lee, who was a Hepatitis C Virus carrier, and she contracted HCV from him. The wall of a needle when magnified appear as the surface of a concrete block; it has pores everywhere, although to the eye, it appears to be SOLID. And when someone uses it twice, the other person's blood gets into those pourous openings, and it stays there, and then the next guy does not comprehend what is in that needle waiting on his blood to mix with it. Purity is PURE, and beyond that, it is not pure anymore. Purity in the physical world is determined on a molecular level. Do you know how small a molecule is? When you take a drink of water, where you swallow two swallows of water, physicists theorize that you are swallowing approximately 11 milliliters of water. Do you have any idea as to how small a molecule is, or how many are in two millileters of water? Physicists theorize that there is in the range of 6X10^23. If you had a computer that could make 10,000,000 computations a second, it would take that computer 2 BILLION YEARS, at 10,000,00 computations a second, to compute 6X10^23. Another way of looking at 6X10^23 is, if you had a ream of paper with 500 sheets of paper in it, and you began stacking the reams one on top of the other, you'd be able to stack those reams to the sun and back, which is 93,000,000 miles away, not one time, but 1,000,000 times. One molecule beyond PURE, is the equivalent of it having mud in it already, only you cannot see it. awm Post Reply
View Profile History	ElishaBroadway wanted to know if it was a sin for her to buy "this itty bitty blue Christimas tree"..? Posted : 5 Dec, 2011 12:48 PM Good point James & Elsiah::applause: awm said: So, it is with your worship of the Lord, and the smallest of sin and error that you intentionally withhold. "A little leaven leavens the whole lump." [Gal 5:9] awm Ella says: Moreover, had awm READ the verse 8, and continued READING the next verse he would have found out that Paul was speaking directly to him:ROFL: Verse 8 This persuasion did not come from Him(GOD) who calls you. 9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough. For Elisha:10 I have confidence in you in the Lord that you will adopt no other view; but the one who is disturbing you will bear his judgment, whoever he is. ESV NOW IN PLAIN ENGLISH SO THAT AWM WILL NOT MISS THE POINT OF WHAT PAUL SPEAKS: VERSE 8 That kind of persuasion does not come from the one (GOD) who calls you. 9 �A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough.� 10 I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion (AWM), whoever that may be ( ?), will have to pay the penalty. It appears AWM, YOU are the kind of leaven (FALSE TEACHERS OF YOUR OWN DOCTRINE) Paul is speaking about You have your OWN rules and doctrine that you are trying to persuade others to follow and come into agreement with you in your beliefs... Yet you yourself are in your on sins of persumption and negavtive comments and using the scirptures to fit your own cause.. you call things sin that even GOD HIMSELF DOES NOT CALLED A SIN! get your pencil and paper and go figure...:yay::zzzz: AWM IS A JUDAIZER!:ROFL::excited::rolleyes: Post Reply
View Profile History	ElishaBroadway wanted to know if it was a sin for her to buy "this itty bitty blue Christimas tree"..? Posted : 5 Dec, 2011 04:13 PM @ AWM Remember, the NUMBER ONE mistake when it comes to interpreting the Bible is ignoring the CONTEXT of a verse. :applause: Note;A proverb used here to stress the pervasive effect of Judaism, When the word "leaven" in the Bible is use as a symbol, it indicates evil or FALSE teaching. Gal: 5:9 Matthew 13:23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the Word, and Understandeth it, which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hunderdfold, some sixy, some thirty. :angel: Post Reply
View Profile History	ElishaBroadway wanted to know if it was a sin for her to buy "this itty bitty blue Christimas tree"..? Posted : 5 Dec, 2011 04:29 PM ElishaBroadway wanted to know if it was a sin for her to buy "this itty bitty blue Christimas tree"..? *** NAH !!! It aint no sin ta buy a "itty bitty" blue Christmas tree...GOD luvs Blue...:bouncy:...thats the Color of HIS Sky and the color of HIS Water and No Doubt the Color of HIS Eyes...like a Fire that Burns Blue HOT !!!... I believe you to decorate it with somethin precious to you Elisha...somethin you know GOD/Jesus/HolySpirit and the Angels would find most Excellant...:peace:... And the ONLY sin bout this is the sin of someone tellin ya how and what to spend yer hard earned $$$ on...GEZZZZZ....some peoples Children jus cant be Happy for Others lil Happiness...maybe cuz they gota Lump of Coal from Scrooge instead of the Radio Flyer Wagon from GOD, Dad, and Mom when they was knee high to a grasshopper...:winksmile:...Be Blessed...xo Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	ElishaBroadway wanted to know if it was a sin for her to buy "this itty bitty blue Christimas tree"..? Posted : 5 Dec, 2011 05:41 PM AWM, no it wouldnt be pure I guess but my point is the impurity wouldnt be so bad as to make me not want it if I was very thirsty! I mean are we talking I can just go get a bottle of water or are we taling out in the desert with no water in sight thirsty? And where have you been? Havenit I said a number of times that I was cured from HCV not cured divinly heald in 2005? When I contracted it 5 years earlier from IV drug use? I was also deliverd from that! So yea I am quite aware of whats goes on in a needle Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	ElishaBroadway wanted to know if it was a sin for her to buy "this itty bitty blue Christimas tree"..? Posted : 5 Dec, 2011 05:41 PM AWM, no it wouldnt be pure I guess but my point is the impurity wouldnt be so bad as to make me not want it if I was very thirsty! I mean are we talking I can just go get a bottle of water or are we taling out in the desert with no water in sight thirsty? And where have you been? Havenit I said a number of times that I was cured from HCV not cured divinly heald in 2005? When I contracted it 5 years earlier from IV drug use? I was also deliverd from that! So yea I am quite aware of whats goes on in a needle Post Reply
View Profile History	ElishaBroadway wanted to know if it was a sin for her to buy "this itty bitty blue Christimas tree"..? Posted : 7 Dec, 2011 10:07 AM @SirJames This is what a true Calvinist does; twisting the scripture so that He no longer need to obey it. Your twisting my response to my reference regarding Galatians 5:9 (as it talks of sin) is not surprising to me at all. The context of this post was about obeying the Lord's Word about Christmas Trees in Jeremiah [10]: 3For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good. And PJ, you once again, mock the truth by twisting it. I was making a point that "a little tree does not mean that if one has a one, that it is only a small sin, adding that "leaven, or sin, leavens the WHOLE LOAF OF BREAD, or the whole lump." Now, PJ, do you believe that it is sin to have the tree of Babylon in your home, public institutions, or in the churches? awm Post Reply