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God is the one who saves, not you. Chapter and Verse only!!
Posted : 8 Dec, 2011 11:19 AM

God elects [i.e. chooses, predestines, foreordaines ]



A) His angels



1Ti 5:21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.



B) His peculiar people, Israel



Exo 6:7 And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians.



Deu 7:6-8 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.



Deu 10:14-15 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is. Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.



Psa 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.



Isa 43:20-21 The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen. This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.



C) Individuals to salvation



Psa 65:4 Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.



Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.



Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.



Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.



Act 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.



Rom 8:28-30 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.



Rom 9:10-24 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?



Rom 11:5-7 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.



Eph 1:3-6 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.



Eph 1:11-12 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.



1Th 1:4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.



1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,



2Th 2:13-14 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.



D) Individuals to condemnation



Exo 4:21 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.



Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.



Rom 9:17-18 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.



Rom 9:21-22 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:



1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.



3. His motivation in election



A) His own good pleasure



Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,



2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,



B) The display of his glory



Isa 43:6-7 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth; Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.



Rom 9:22-24 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?



Eph 2:4-7 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.



1Co 1:27-31 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.



Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.



C) His special love



Deu 7:6-8 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.



2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:



D) His foreknowledge



Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.



1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.



� Which means his special love



Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.



Amo 3:2 You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.



Mat 7:22-23 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.



1Co 8:3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.



2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.



1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained [Greek, �foreknown�] before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,



E) But not:



� Any good [nobility, wisdom, power, choice, seeking] he foresees in anyone



Deu 7:7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:



Rom 9:11-13 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.



Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.



Rom 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.



1Cor 1:27-29 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence.



1Cor 4:7 For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?



2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

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God is the one who saves, not you. Chapter and Verse only!!
Posted : 8 Dec, 2011 11:31 AM

Only because you ask James, you continue in the same agenda again and and again so here is your chapter and verse, against reformation theology.



Romans Ch. 16:16-18:



Rom. 16:6 Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.

Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

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God is the one who saves, not you. Chapter and Verse only!!
Posted : 8 Dec, 2011 12:01 PM

Yep James:

People do not want YHWH to being Sovereign over his entire creation.



The problem people have is that they cannot change YHWH,nor can they get Him to see Salvation from their point of view.





Shalom

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Posted : 8 Dec, 2011 12:05 PM

Yep James:



People do not want YHWH to being Sovereign over his entire creation.







The problem people have is that they cannot change YHWH,nor can they get Him to see Salvation from their point of view.











Shalom



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George this is one statement we can agree on, the father will not agree with your point of view.



""The Traditions Of Men""

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God is the one who saves, not you. Chapter and Verse only!!
Posted : 8 Dec, 2011 12:05 PM

Yep James:



People do not want YHWH to being Sovereign over his entire creation.







The problem people have is that they cannot change YHWH,nor can they get Him to see Salvation from their point of view.











Shalom



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George this is one statement we can agree on, the father will not agree with your point of view.



""The Traditions Of Men""

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Posted : 8 Dec, 2011 12:55 PM

Amen James.



It is sad how so many people can not hear because of their own pride. May God grant ears to hear what God has said to the church.

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Posted : 8 Dec, 2011 02:03 PM

Actually it is pride that makes such claims as in this post,



In otherwords it is pride to twist and alter the word of God as in this case by the justification of the word interpret.



Humility is accepting, agreeing with the written word of God.

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Posted : 8 Dec, 2011 02:50 PM

I am starting to wonder if when I post just the Scriptures like this in a list, does Phiillip John then use a black marker and mark out those verses in his Bible?



In Christ,



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Posted : 8 Dec, 2011 03:01 PM

Wonder is wavering James, you should wonder why you have chosen the word of man over the Word of God.

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Posted : 8 Dec, 2011 03:24 PM

Well PJ might just a Good reason the Use that Black Magic Marker...your question is...



God is the one who saves, not you. Chapter and Verse only!!



*** Oky Doky Poky�ima looking at this verse you posted�



Rom 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.



Romans 10 ~ the Chapter is about Law, Righteousness and Faith�not about Who saves you�exergies�content�context�Recomember James ???�I really wish people would Quit posting PreFab lists of Scriptures taking them out of Context�Mixing them all up just to Prove their Standing�which IMO�is Not upon the Rock�Christ Jesus�only on someone elses words�Please read on...:bouncy:...



Rom 10:17-21�

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

*** 17 - Faith cometh� Compare "So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ." (RSV)



18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

*** 18 - Words to the ends of the world�From Ps 19:4 - Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

The gospel had been widely preached although apparently not yet to Spain Rom 15:20 ~ Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:

19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.



20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

*** I was found�I was manifest to �them��meaning Gentiles�see next verse�



21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

*** 21 - I have stretched forth... unto� Gentiles would receive the Messiah rejected by the Jewish nation.. From Isa 65:2~ I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;



Be Blessed...xo

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Posted : 8 Dec, 2011 06:52 PM

aomeone please explain to me how many are called few are chosen works for the calvinists! If God saves everyone he sets out to save then why arent everyone who is called chosen? Please elabaroate

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