Author	Thread: Trusting The Holy Spirit of God Or Man's Systemtic Theology
Admin	Trusting The Holy Spirit of God Or Man's Systemtic Theology Posted : 20 Dec, 2011 04:15 PM So Do you Trust and believe what God says, or in man's systematic theoplogy to assist you in knowing and learning about God and His Word? God's Word... I John 2:26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit�just as it has taught you, remain in him. John 16:12 �I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.� Systematic Theology In the context of Christianity, systematic theology is a discipline of Christian theology that attempts to formulate an orderly, rational, and coherent account of the Christian faith and beliefs. It is also called Dogmatics. Systematic theology draws on the foundational sacred texts of Christianity, while simultaneously investigating the development of Christian doctrine over the course of history, particularly through philosophy, science and ethics. Inherent to a system of theological thought is that a method is developed, one which can be applied both broadly and particularly. History The setting out of the varied ideas of Christianity (and the various topics and themes of the diverse texts of the Bible) in a single, coherent and well-ordered presentation is a relatively late development. In Eastern Orthodoxy, an early example is provided by John of Damascus's 8th-century Exposition of the Orthodox Faith, in which he attempts to set in order, and demonstrate the coherence of, the theology of the classic texts of the Eastern theological tradition. In the West, Peter Lombard's 12th-century Sentences, in which he collected thematically a large series of quotations from the Church Fathers, became the basis of a medieval scholastic tradition of thematic commentary and explanation - best exemplified in Thomas Aquinas's Summa Theologica. The Lutheran scholastic tradition of a thematic, ordered exposition of Christian theology emerged in the 16th century, with Philipp Melanchthon's Loci Communes, and was countered by a Calvinist scholasticism, exemplified by John Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion. In the 19th century, primarily in Protestant circles, a new kind of systematic theology arose: the attempt to demonstrate that Christian doctrine formed a more tightly coherent system grounded in some core axiom or axioms. Such theologies often involved a more drastic pruning and reinterpretation of traditional belief in order to cohere with the axiom or axioms. Friedrich Daniel Ernst Schleiermacher, for instance, produced Der christliche Glaube nach den Grunds�tzen der evangelischen Kirche (The Christian Faith According to the Principles of the Protestant Church) in the 1820s, in which the core idea is the universal presence amongst humanity (sometimes more hidden, sometimes more explicit) of a feeling or awareness of 'absolute dependence'; all theological themes are reinterpreted as descriptions or expressions of modifications of this feeling.. Post Reply
View Profile History	Trusting The Holy Spirit of God Or Man's Systemtic Theology Posted : 20 Dec, 2011 04:25 PM I wise man once said the student of systematic theology studied to their meaning of the word of God, thus never knowing the God of the word, and consequently not knowing the word of God. Post Reply
View Profile History	Trusting The Holy Spirit of God Or Man's Systemtic Theology Posted : 20 Dec, 2011 05:00 PM Some call Romans a "theology testbook" for its thorough explanation of the Christian life. Paul begins by describing God's righteous anger against Sin, noting that everyone falls short of God's standard, But God Himself provides the only way to overcome that Sin, "the righteousness of God which is by Faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that Believe. Being justified (made right) through Faith in Jesus, we can consider ourselves "to be dead indeed unto Sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." God's Spirit will "quicken" all who believe in Jesus, allowing us to present our bodies a living sacrifice, Holy, acceptable unto God. It is possible, with God's help, to be not overcome of evil, but to overcome evil with good. :angel: I am Trusting the Holy Spirit. Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	Trusting The Holy Spirit of God Or Man's Systemtic Theology Posted : 20 Dec, 2011 05:37 PM Great post sister Ella, I love you!!1 It is impossible to understand scriptures correctly and the way He intended if you are not born again! Post Reply
View Profile History	Trusting The Holy Spirit of God Or Man's Systemtic Theology Posted : 20 Dec, 2011 05:39 PM The Title of this thread is a false choice. I just love when Christians pull the "That is man's doctrine" or "that is the tradition of men" You think all you have to do is use the word "spiritual" and you are automatically right? Trusting the Holy Spirit OR....Man's systematic theology. Lets examine this statement. Systematic theology means taking every single Scripture on a certain subject, and looking at what the entire Bible has to say about it. So, say if you wanted to have the best understanding of say Angels, then you would find EVERY verse in the ENTIRE Bible that mentioned Angels and then see what the entire Bible teaches about that subject. This is the opposite of "trusting the Holy Spirit"? What if the Holy Spirit has told not just me, but the MAJORITY of other Christians throughout church history to STUDY the Bible? What EXACTLY do you mean when you say "Trust the Holy Spirit"? I mean if I look at this Title I might think you mean: Don't look at all the Bible verses on a certain subject, but instead you should just pray and whatever your first religious hunch is, then go with that. Or how about this: start out using all the rules of interpretation, but "if the Spirit leads", then just go with your private religious hunch. There was a practice in the late 1800's in America called Bibilography. You would take a Bible and hold it up, with the spine on a table. Then you would ask the Bible a question, and take your hand away, and then the Bible would fall open, and you would close your eyes and just put your finger somewhere on the page. Then whatever verse it landed on, was "the answer" to your question. Christians do a LOT of stupid things. We are far from perfect, and we make mistakes. The Bible says that there is wisdom in many counselors. Do you listen to many counselors, or would rather just listen to your private religious hunches, and CALL it the Holy Spirit? In Christ, James Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Trusting The Holy Spirit of God Or Man's Systemtic Theology Posted : 20 Dec, 2011 07:52 PM Amen James. I love the one where "Christians" close there eyes open their bibles, point to a scripture, and call it the leading of the holy spirit. What blasphemy to our precious Lord and Savior. Post Reply
Manscottell View Profile History	Trusting The Holy Spirit of God Or Man's Systemtic Theology Posted : 20 Dec, 2011 08:56 PM There is a difference between intelligence and wisdom. THE HOLY SPIRIT. WISDOM: JAMES 3:17 "But the wisdom from above if first pure,, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy". SYSTEMTIC THEOLOGY. INTELLIGENGE: JAMES 3:15-16 "This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, natural, demonic. For where jealousy, and selfish ambition exists, there is disorder and every evil thing". Theology doesn't safe souls, The spirit does. Without faith in the spirit it is impossible to please or do anything for God Manscottell. Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	Trusting The Holy Spirit of God Or Man's Systemtic Theology Posted : 20 Dec, 2011 09:29 PM Ame Mscott!! Jameas and Donna, I have been going to a Full Gospel church all my life! (wasnt alwasy saved but I attended with my daddy) And I have nevr ever ever heard of that crazyness you are speaking of (opening the bible and pointing at scripture) That is an Absurd exageration! It is almost funny that you would even say such a thing, I asusre you my sister Ella was not even coming close to meaning anything of the sort, I dont know where yall gfot tha from, but I asure you that anyone with half a brain and no brain at all really if they ae truly saved would think such a stupid thing would be the leadership of the Holy Spirit, I have heard my Pastor speak of people he calls Hyperspirituals maybe that is who you are speaking of, the ones who think every little thing is a sign from Above and so on and so forth, but I assure you that all Pentcostals, Hollienss, Full Gospels, Carismatics, holy Rollers, Bible Thumpers, whatever you want to call us we are not all idiots I know that I am not a great example as my typing skills and wrighting skills stink bue to a slight disability but I assure you that we are not all just a generation or 2 from snake handlers and moonshiners most of us are educated people smart and profesionals My Dayy went to the university of Alabama (ROLL TIDE ROLL) for electrical engineering, h eis the smartest man I have ever met andI am not saying that becasue he is my Daddy, he really is, he is one of those people that you can hardly have a converstaion with because they are so smart you c ant keep up with the converstaion, you just have to smile and knod to keep from feeling like a complet idiot, he right now is running a big contruction comapany (which he owns) in Panama City Fl and he is very involved in the Ministry at the church sings in the choir and teches the teenage boys on weds, he is also taking more college classes right now I think about 12 credits per semsters like 3 classes and he has a 100% average in all of them!!! Thats a tuff thing to do and runa buisness too, but he is becasue he is super duper smart! My point is he had been the member of full gospel church going on 30 years and he aint no dummy! and neither am I ther is no reason for you all to keep thinking we are ignorant dummies all the time! But the truth of the matter is even a man that cant real can get saved! So it is not all neccasary to know this stuff a man who can read and wright can get just as close if not closer (becasue he wouldnt be high minded and proud) to God as anyone with a PHD in theology and 25 other degrees! If he is born again and spirit filled, he does not need to be educated or even smart he can be dumb as forrest gump and still know Jesus as well as anyone else Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Trusting The Holy Spirit of God Or Man's Systemtic Theology Posted : 20 Dec, 2011 09:42 PM Wow Elisha, calm down there sister. I was not refering to penacostals or anyone specific, actually it was a baptist that had done that. Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	Trusting The Holy Spirit of God Or Man's Systemtic Theology Posted : 20 Dec, 2011 10:16 PM .:ROFL: That is a little fruit cakey if you ask me , you can put that one ina box and mail it toaunt bessie for christmas (fruit cake) someone like that would orobabyl be going to fortune tellers and having their tarot read if they wasnt pointing blinly at scripture for answers! That is satan for you, he always wants us to take the easy shortes way out we is the god of this fast food,drive throug, instant gratification world! That is a substiute for allowing the Holy spirt (the real one) go with you as you normaly actuly read the scriptures and meditate on them, and study them! That is a quick fix! When we are asking God for answers we must do it in such a was as to not allow satan to give us an answer also, The devil knows the bible chapter and verse he uses is against us every chance he gets I am sure if someone were looking for an answer that way they got an answer all right but it ws from that slimey snake! He is slicker than oakry (oakra to non alabamians) and he loves it when people act like they aint got not sence when it comes to spiritual things! Just like the barking dogs bahira was always talking about! Things like that turn so many away from the Lord , makes us all lokk like we are a hamburger shy of a happy meal Post Reply
shalom716 View Profile History	Trusting The Holy Spirit of God Or Man's Systemtic Theology Posted : 21 Dec, 2011 06:13 AM Thanks for sharing your wisdom here brothers and sisters in Christ, I know we have to be very careful to not stray from the Word of God, because there are many spirits we can be deceived by and I am speaking from experience. I was deceived thinking I was hearing from the Holy Spirit and it was a deceptive spirit. The Holy Bible tells us to test the spirits and we must have discernment from the Holy Spirit who teaches us by helping us to understand the word of G-d. The Holy Spirit always brings glory to Yeshua, because he is the living word, the word made flesh. The Holy Spirit brings revelation to us through the Word, otherwise we can be lead astray into false prophecy, deceptive spirits, doctrines of demons. Post Reply

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