There is a lot debate today on losing one�s salvation. I�ve decided to boil it down to 2 simple steps to make it easy for you.
1. Do something that causes you to lose it.Now, I don�t know what that "something" could be because Paul never talked about it and since Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles and the revealer of the body of Christ to us today then he would be the one to tell us what to do to lose it. Since Paul spent 13 epistles expounding Christ and justification surely he would spend some time on how to lose it!
I suggest that you should look again at the writings of the Paul... this time with your eyes open!
Paul tells us how!
If we DEFILE THE TEMPLE, THE BODY, HE WILL DESTROY US! (1 Cor. 3:16-17; 6:19-20; Heb. 12:15).
If we OBEY SIN we will DIE spiritually! (Romans 6:16-23).
By NOT ABIDING IN THE FAITH we shall be cut off! (Romans 11:11-32).
By being REMOVED FROM Christ! (Gal. 1:6-7).
By becoming ENTANGLED AGAIN with the yoke of bondage! (Gal. 5:1).
By FALLING FROM GRACE! (Gal. 5:4). CHRIST BECOMES OF NO EFFECT FOR US!
By WALKING AFTER THE FLESH and not the Spirit! (Romans 8:1; 8:4; 8:12-13; Gal. 5:10, 20).
By not keeping your body under and becoming a CASTAWAY. (1 Cor. 9:27).
By ERRING FROM THE FAITH. (1 Tim. 6:9-10, 21).
By DEPARTING FROM THE FAITH! (1 Tim. 4:1).
By having your faith OVERTHROWN! (2 Tim. 2:17-18).
By CASTING OFF your faith! (1 Tim. 5:11-15; 6:19-21; 2 Tim. 2:17;, 18; 4:10).
If we DENY HIM, HE WILL DENY US! (2 Tim. 2:12).
I have tried to give a good spread of Paul�s doctrine concerning the matter. I limited it to Paul since that is what our author wished to do. It is pretty obvious that Paul certainly spent some time explaining it! Unfortunately, people like our author will expend the vast wealth of their efforts in getting people to disbelieve it! Quite a shame. In addition to this, at least one hundred more passages can be appealed to if we broaden the scope to accept all of Scripture!
2. Undo all that God did at your salvation.See how easy it is! Now, let�s go down a simple list of things that God did and all you have to do is make this list your check list and mark them all as you undo them. OK put your tennis shoes on and let�s go!!!
1) Get God to un-forgive you �� Eph. 1:7
God does not un-forgive anybody. He also does not forgive anybody for sins not yet committed. "If" any man sin, he is in need of an Advocate (1 John 2:1-2). If one fails to seek reconciliation with God after they have sinned, and continues in that sin unrepentant, there remains no more sacrifice for their sins (Heb. 10:26; 1 Jn. 1:9). God does not "un-forgive" anything. It is our failure to receive forgiveness by refusing to turn to God for that forgiveness.
2) Get God to un-redeem you - Rom. 3:24
The redemption is for past sins only (3:25). Upon the condition of believing, (v.26), and faith, (v.28). If you refuse to lay hold of redemption through belief and faith, by rejecting it through unbelief and lack of faith; it is not God who "un-redeems" you, but your rejection of that redemption.
3) Get God to un-circumcise you �� Col. 2:13
"Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith" (Romans 3:30). For without faith it is impossible to please Him (Heb.11:6). "For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision" (Rom. 2:25).
Our writer fails to read the exhortation in its context. Colossians chapter Two, precedes these words on circumcision with the following: "And this I say, lest any man beguile you with enticing words. For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ... Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the traditions of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ" (Col. 2:4-5, 8). Paul commends them for their steadfastness in the faith, and with that commendation, he gives these stable believers a warning not to be "beguiled" by enticing words. He further emphasizes this warning by not to be "spoiled" through philosophy and vain deceit. His confidence that he states following this portion of the argument that he makes is of a positive tone, which is based upon their track record of steadfastness. It is an impossible hermeneutic to apply these positive statements to those that fail to heed his aforementioned warnings. Circumcision spoken of here is spiritual, not a physical act which cannot be undone. Man chooses to disavow their spiritual circumcision if they refuse to walk in faith (1 Jn. 1:7).
4) Get God to un-adopt you �� Rom. 8:15
This appeal to adoption ignores not only the context, but the fact that this is a spiritual adoption which is obtained though faith. Those that are adopted must meet the preceding conditions: "For if ye live by the flesh, ye shall die: but is through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live" (Romans 8:13).
5) Get God to un-seat you �� Eph. 2:6
The "us" that Paul speaks of as being seated in heavenly places is the Church. People are seated there as long as they are connected with the Body of Faith. "For by grace are we saved through faith" (Eph. 2:8). This without a doubt implies the condition in which one is translated into this high position. "Through faith," it is acquired, "through faith" we are kept in place (1 Peter 1:5). We stay there as long as we do not make shipwreck of that faith (1 Tim. 1:19), or have slipped away from that faith (Heb.2:1-3). We can lose our faith, and our position of being seated in heavenly places by being deceived by sin and departing from God (Heb. 3:12-13).
6) Get God to un-sanctify you �� I Cor. 6:11
One "un-sanctifies" themselves, through persistent sinning and unrepentance (Heb. 10:26). They are no longer set aside for a holy purpose, for it is said... "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?For we know him that hath said, �Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord.� And again, �The Lord shall judge his people.� 'It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God' (Heb. 10:29, 30).
7) Get God to un-glorify you �� Rom. 8:30
Romans 8:28-39, speaks of a universal chain and promise to a category of persons. The "us" and "those" within the passage refers to the Church. One receives these promises in and only when they remain as part of the Body, the Church. The Church is truly called, predestinated, justified, and glorified in the mind of God. The characteristic if one who is part of this Church is that they love God, (v. 28), there lives are conformed to the image of the Son in holiness, (29), they are "more than conquerors" in their faith (V.37). You see, the one that is already considered as glorified in the mind of God are those who are here and now conformed to the image of the Son. That is because they "love God." And through this love and conforming to holiness, they are "more than conquerors." The current "standing" of already being glorified is contingent upon these things. You choose to reject this present "glorification" if you do not meet God�s criteria.
8) Get God to un-seal you �� Eph. 1:13
We are "sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise." Notice that the Holy Spirit Himself is the "Seal." We are however warned that we should not "grieve" the Holy Spirit of God, whereby we are sealed (4:30). If you grieve the Spirit, there is a danger. If there were no danger, God would not have warned us not to grieve the Spirit. "But the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. ... so then they that are in the flesh cannot please God" (Romans 8: 4-8). If one continues in sin, they cannot be at the same time in the Spirit. If the Spirit is not in them, He has been grieved, and does not seal them (1 Jn. 3:6-8). It is utterly impossible to be carnally minded and sealed with the Spirit at the same time. You refuse the Spirit which is the Seal, and YOU forfeit the seal.
9) Get God to un-justify you �� Rom. 3:24; 8:30
Romans 3:26, "I declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believethin Jesus." Our author has to reconcile the impossible, which is, that faith and belief are compatible with sin. The Bible is a book against sin. The purpose and atonement of Christ is to save us from sin (Matt. 1:21; 1 Jn. 3:6-9). One is only justified as long as they are believing with faith. God demands a present tense faith; Having a pastfaith will not save you. Only those that abidein Christ will be saved (Jn.15:1-6). Everything is contingent upon present faith. That is the fact of both Scripture and logic.
10) Get God to un-bless you �� Eph. 1:3
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ." The blessing is clearly contingent upon our union with Christ. Only those that are "in" Christ are recipients of the blessing. One must however, "remain" in Christ, and "abide" in Him, to be in Him (Jn. 6:27; 8:31; 15:1-11; Acts. 13:43; 14:22; Rom. 2:7, 6:1; 11:23; Gal. 2:5; 3:10; Col. 1:23; 1 Tim. 2:15; 4:16; 2 Tim. 2:3; Heb. 12:7; James 5:11; 1 John 2:6; 2:10; 2:24; 2:27, 28; 3:6; 3:14; 3:24; 2 John 1:9). One must rewrite the Bible to avoid the necessity of remaining, continuing, and abiding inChrist for salvation.
11) Get God to un-bury you �� Rom. 6:4; Col. 2:12
Logically, we must see that if we do not remain in the faith, our past faithfulness will not avail us any benefit (Ezek. 18:4, 24-32; 33:11-20). If you wish to dig up your old life, that is within your power to do so.
12) Get God to un-raise you �� Eph. 2:6
It is truly grace to be elevated to such a high position. But this grace is only "through faith" and nowhere else (Eph. 2:8). God does not "un-raise you." If one loses their faith, they sink by the gravity of their own sins from this elevated position. God forces no one to believe! God forces no one to continue in the faith.
13) Get God to un-quicken you �� Eph. 2:1
Romans 6:23, 'The wages of sin is death...' Being "quickened" is being brought to spiritual life. To Christians, Paul writes, "Know ye not, that whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom you obey; whether of sin unto death, or obedience unto righteousness?" One is not "un-quickened" just as one is not "un-birthed..." they DIE! The creation of non-existent terminology in an effort to make another's position to appear ignorant, is a distraction, and only reveals the faulty thinking of the accuser in the matter.
In the parable of the Prodigal Son, (Luke 15), we see that the son willingly left the Father, and the Father did not stop him. While the Father rushed out to meet him upon his humble return, it is stated, "For this my son was DEAD, and alive again; he was lost (he became that way on his own,) and is found." If the son left the Father and continued wallowing with the pigs, the Father would not have dragged him home. Notice that he was a son before he left! He was pronounced alive again! Indicating life before he left! Upon his willful departure, he was considered "dead" and "lost" until his humble return. Christians cansin and die spiritually. It is our choice if we lose the life we were quickened with.
14) Get God to take Christ out of you �� Col. 1:27
God does not take Christ out of us; we kick Him out! (Jn. 15:1-11, Jude 21). It took faith to let Him in, and it takes unbelief to push Him out. If you refuse to abide "in" Christ, you will be cast forth and burned!
15) Get God to take you out of Christ�s physical body �� Eph. 5:30
You were at one time not part of His Body, and while the Body may miss you, it will get along just fine as it did without you before you were part of the Body. God does not go around with a cancer-ridden Body. One who claims to be in the Body when they are not, is the cancer that has always plagued the Church. The poet Southey said, "I could believe in Christ if he did not drag behind him his leprous bride, the Church." Suggesting that your departure from the Body would harm the Body is overestimating your value and contribution to the whole!
Now, you see how simple that was �� if you can undo all that God has done for you then you are free and clear once again. Then when you "repent" and get right then all the above 15 things will happen again. Then when you "sin it away" again then you can undo it all over again! My what a life! About as confusing as a termite in a yo-yo! Yes, I know all those verses in Matthew (before the cross) and all those verses in Hebrews and James (doctrinally during the tribulation) and of course Revelation (during the 7 year tribulation where the body of Christ is not present anyway) �� Yes, I�ve seen all those verses, had them thrown out of context at me for over 20 years now.
Yes, our author has taken the black marker of dispensationalism, and used it freely to blot out all passages that God has placed at our disposal for edification and instruction in righteousness. He has decided that he will only believe what he wishes to believe, and will ignore the relevance of the Scriptures. He is truly one of those that Peter wrote of, "which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction" (2 Peter 3:16). "Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness" (2 Peter 3:17).
Until you can show me how a blood-bought, redeemed, regenerated saint in this age can lose all that God has done for him then I might give you a listen. Until then I will stay secure in Christ for all eternity �� glory!!!
But even if you do, he will not listen!He has taken a black marker to his Bible so it cannot disagree with him!
For those of youthat wish to look at some of these reasons, you can look here.
200 Reasons You Shouldn�t Believe Eternal Security
Hold On!
Notice that not one time in this whole line of argumentation does the author produce a singular Scripture that proveshis presupposition. No matter how impossible or foolish they can make an opposing doctrine look, Scripture doctrine cannot be proved without finding it in Scripture! I can argue that not believing in Santa Claus would result in, lower spending at Christmas, unemployment of store workers, profit loss in movies, the disappointed children, and the financial losses suffered upon the whole economy. These things would be unthinkableto the economists that wish to promote these things, yet, the fact that some may find their comfort in Santa Claus, does not prove in any way that there isa Santa Claus! Just because we do not like the possible consequences that a certain doctrine may lead us to, it is a foolish reason to reject it. Truth is truth, and it does not need our permission to be true! And it will remain true whether we reject it or write it out of our Bibles.
There is no unconditional Eternal Security to be found in the Scriptures; that's a fact. There are a lot of clever evasions that they can come up with, but this is where creativity and truth part ways.
My friend, believe the Scriptures, shun sin and abide in Christ! Cast your faith upon Him and His power to save! Find your security in Christ! Not upon the fantasies and the selective Scripture reading of individuals that choose to have more faith in their own private doctrine than they do the Bible!
elisha has posted a long list of 'THINGS' a person can do in order for YHWH to remove a person from Yeshua,and or 'DESTROY THAT PERSON.
I will be dealing with the First one which is about YHWH destroying a person for defiling the 'TEMPLE'.
elisha
Here is the dialog and argument...
There is a lot debate today on losing one�s salvation. I�ve decided to boil it down to 2 simple steps to make it easy for you.
1. Do something that causes you to lose it.Now, I don�t know what that "something" could be because Paul never talked about it and since Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles and the revealer of the body of Christ to us today then he would be the one to tell us what to do to lose it. Since Paul spent 13 epistles expounding Christ and justification surely he would spend some time on how to lose it!
I suggest that you should look again at the writings of the Paul... this time with your eyes open!
Paul tells us how!
If we DEFILE THE TEMPLE, THE BODY, HE WILL DESTROY US! (1 Cor. 3:16-17; 6:19-20; Heb. 12:15).
The Farmer
Context please,always context in understanding the Word of YHWH.
1 Corinthians 3:1-17
1Co 3:1 And, brothers, I was not able to speak to you as to spiritual ones, but as to fleshly ones, as to babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I gave you milk to drink, and not food, for you were not then able, for neither are you yet able now.
1Co 3:3 For you are yet fleshly. For where among you is jealousy, and strife, and divisions, are you not fleshly and walk according to man?
1Co 3:4 For when one may say, Truly I am of Paul, and another, I of Apollos; are you not fleshly?
1Co 3:5 What then is Paul? And what Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, and to each as the Lord gave?
1Co 3:6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God made to grow.
1Co 3:7 So as neither he planting is anything, nor he watering, but God making to grow.
1Co 3:8 So he planting and he watering are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor.
1Co 3:9 For of God we are fellow-workers, a field of God, and you are a building of God.
1Co 3:10 According to God's grace given to me, as a wise master builder, I laid a foundation, but another builds on it. But let each one be careful how he builds.
1Co 3:11 For no one is able to lay any other foundation beside the One having been laid, who is Jesus Christ.
1Co 3:12 And if anyone builds on this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, grass, straw,
1Co 3:13 the work of each will be revealed; for the Day will make it known, because it is revealed in fire; and the fire will prove the work of each, what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If the work of anyone which he built remains, he will receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If the work of anyone shall be consumed, he shall suffer loss; but he will be saved, but so as through fire.
1Co 3:16 Do you not know that you are a sanctuary of God, and the Spirit of God dwells in you?
1Co 3:17 If anyone corrupts the sanctuary of God, God will bring that one to corruption; for the sanctuary of God is holy, which you are.
I will be asking questions and leaving the answers to those which will study,and have the Holy SPirit reveal the TRUTH to them.
Now in verse 13 we find the word 'DAY',WHICH day is this refering to.
From the context could thid be the day of the White throne judgement.
1Co 3:13 the work of each will be revealed; for the Day will make it known, because it is revealed in fire; and the fire will prove the work of each, what sort it is.
Now let us look at verse 15
1Co 3:15 If the work of anyone shall be consumed, he shall suffer loss; but he will be saved, but so as through fire.
A person has their WORK consumed,yet they are 'STILL SAVED'.
Could these Scriptures be talking about the JUDGEMENT between the Actual believers in Yeshua and the IMPOSTERS,masquerading as the genuine article.
Now let us look at the Word Destroy.
English-Destroy and DEFILE,these are the same Greek word.
Greek-phtheirō
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φθείρω
phtheirō
Thayer Definition:
1) to corrupt, to destroy
1a) in the opinion of the Jews, the temple was corrupted or �destroyed� when anyone defiled or in the slightest degree damaged anything in it, or if its guardians neglected their duties
1b) to lead away a Christian church from that state of knowledge and holiness in which it ought to abide
1c) to be destroyed, to perish
1d) in an ethical sense, to corrupt, deprave
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: probably strengthened from phthio (to pine or waste)
Now think about this:
How many men are there in this nation Defiling,and Destroying the Body of Yeshua.
There are quite a few.
How about yourselves,are you destroying the BODY of Yesuha with your teachings,and understanding of the Word of GOD.
George is you last queston directed at me? If it is I would answer to you first off you got a lot of nerve saying I tear down or implying that I do! YOu r the one that likes to tear people down! Secondly NO I dont seek to tear down believers with my teachings and understandings I think it is dangerouse for people to think they can live like they want to and not recieve salvation!
I amso sorry but its crazy and unwise to live as if you cant walk away from the Lord! I mean please, really? You think you can say the sinners prayer and then your saved no matter what you do?
Let me ask you thins, the "elect" are Gods chosen right?
Was not israel also called Gods chosen? were they not "his people"
Did Israel walk away from the Lord over and over!
IN Hosea he was married to the backslidder but they were backslidders nn the less .
Israel walked away from God and were lost but before they did they were chosen !!!!
and smart as you are George then you know what a typology is, right?
Israel was a type of church , Like the story in Hosea is a drmondtration of the relationship of Jesus and the backslidden Christian through a story that was written to demonstrate Gods love for an adultress israel!
good grief !! I am the ones taking scripture out of context? REally? OH BOY!!!!:prayingm: gonna keep praying for you heorge!
You cant live in sin, and never repent of this sin and think your going to heaven simple as that!
It is an easy equation God wont allow sin into heaven! He wont be in the pressence of sin! People do walk away from the Lord and live in sin once again!
The only way to get forgivness of sin is through repentence!
So if you have sin willfull din in your life and it is not under the blood then your going to hell if you die in it simple as that! Becasue you cant be forgiven lessen you repeant and if you arent forgiven.... ELL great o,e big DUHHHHH I dont think I have to say it but I will! If you dont repeant then you die in sin your not forgiven, then your lost !
I dont care how much your flesh dislikes it , that dont change it!
further more how dare you acuse me of tearing down my brothers and sisters? If I think they are in danger (an eternal security is a very dangrous doctrine) then it is my responsibity as a Christian to tell them!
I believ George that th e True God will break in on you and open the truth up to you and then you will see thinmgs they way they are and not the way that FEELS SO GOOD TO YOUR FLESH!
This is how the heart is decietful!! right hear! You see how it lies to people tells them cause something fels good it must be true! Let me tel you that if their was no need to crucfy the flesh and die to it, then why is it so plainly writtin!!
Shall we contimue in sinthat grace may abound? God forbid!
How shall we that are dead to sin live any longer there in?????
OHHH that sounds to me like we dont need to be living in sin!
Would he tell us not to do it and warn us about it if it was really ok to do it in the first place?
UHHHH I dont even think so! Anything thats ok for us to do the scriptures dont warn us not to do it!
Lots wife is a prime example!
She was saved (from destruction) but she turned back and was destroyed! This is a typology once again that proves that God can save you but you can turn around (backslide) and be destroyed anyway.
If you keep telling people that it is ok to continue in sin and never repeant from it and they will still be saved then your in hot water! If someone believes you and contimues in sin thinking they are gonna make it anyway becasue of your deciet their blood will be on your hands!
O Lord please help all of us to NEVER EVER Lead anyone a stray from you by preaching false doctrines!
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Eph. 2:8-9
Just like anything else salvation can be walked away from, people can and do turn their backs on God after recieving salvation, I know of people who were saved and the decievedd into converting to peganisim uhh they aint gonna make it to heaven
"Just like anything else Salvation can be walked away from"
Jesus said:
John 10:26-30
English Standard Version (ESV)
26 but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me,[a] is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.�
Well, one of you is wrong, and lets see....Who should I go with on this issue? Hmmmm.....
Wow this IS a hard decision...
Hmm...let me think a bit on this.
Oh, you know what, I am going with JESUS on this.
Jesus says that the REASON certain people don't believe is because they are not one of the ones that the FATHER has GIVEN to Jesus, and the ones the FATHER HAS GIVEN TO JESUS WILL NEVER PERISH AND NO ONE CAN SNATCH THEM FROM HIS HAND.
Now for the stubborn and silly types, who then will yell out:
"But I can snatch myself from His hand."
Then I would require a SCRIPTURE VERSE SAYING THAT.
And since there IS NO scripture saying that, and PLENTY that contradict that Idea, I HIGHLY suggest you READ OVER AND OVER what JESUS SAID ABOVE.
A Truly born again Holy Ghost filled Christian CANNOT LOSE HIS/HER SAVALTION, because they are sealed with the pwoer of the Hoyl Spirit until the day of redemption. This is why there is therefore NO CONDEMNATION for those who ARE IN 9TRULY BORN AGAIN) CHIRST, who DO NOT WALK (LIVE) AFTER OR ACCORDINGLY OR IN THE FLESH.
If a person IS NOT TRULY BORN AGAIN, and calls him/serself a born again Christian believer and still practices those sins God has delivered them from that person IS NOT TRULY SAVED OR BORN AGAIN AND CAN INDEED LOSES WHATEVER IT IS THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD... THESE ARE THEY WHO HAVE A FORM OF GODLINESS AND DENY THE POWER OF THE LIVING GOD.
Paul also tells us in I Corinthians chapters 10-11, that those who say they are born again, and are in sin taking the cup and bread and know they are unworthy, is working damnation unto themselves, and this is why many people are dead, dying and sick, they drink the blessing of the cup and eat of the bread of live unworthliy and Paul say this is working condemnation to your soul...
And Jesus let's us know that many will come THINKing they are saved and will not be able to enter the kingdom of God
Matthew 7:21 �Not everyone who says to me, �Lord, Lord,� will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, �Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?� 23 Then I will tell them plainly, �I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!�
Also, in Matthew 25, there will be the Christian believers who have followed Jesus and does the things God requires of us to do out of the kindness and love of the heart, and Jesus calls them His sheep. Then you have those Christian believers who are not realy christians but have a form of godliness and think they can do whatever they please just because they believe in Jesus, and the goats are those who have a form of godliness and do works and things because they HAVETO" DO THEM, eveything they do is for a show..side-riding christians...one foot in heavena nd the other oen in hell!
Ture Christians cannot lose their salvation because they know to qucikly repent of their sins daily... side ridding Christians don't feel they have a need to repent of their sins and look at their works, offerigns and tithes,activities in the church that hey do all to cover their sins. They think being a good person and christian is all they have need to do with thier works and don't have to repent of their sins...
But God also says this... unrepentant sins, and anyone who practice sin will not inherit His kingdom (HOME)
Revelation 21: 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and ALL LAIRS shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.�
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders,[d] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those(ANYONE) who PRACTICE such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Am I seeking only for the evidence of God's kingdom, or am I actually recognizing His absolute sovereign control? The New Birth gives me a new power of vision by which I begin to discern God's control. His sovereignty was there all the time, but with God being true to His nature, I could not see it until I receive His very nature myself.
Does He know Me?
He calls...by name John 10:3
It is possible to know all about Doctrine and still not know JESUS. A person's soul is in grave danger when the Knowledge of Doctrine surpasses JESUS, avoiding intimate touch with Him.
Do I have a personal history with JESUS CHRIST? The one true sign of discipleship is intimate Oneness with Him, a Knowledge of JESUS that nothing can shake.
Context please,a;ways read ACCORDING to the context.
The Farmer has written
Now think about this:
How many men are there in this nation Defiling,and Destroying the Body of Yeshua.
There are quite a few.
How about yourselves,are you destroying the BODY of Yesuha with your teachings,and understanding of the Word of GOD.
Or are you seeking to Build up the believers.
Now let me see,the word men in my statement does not imply women,or i would have mentioned both MEN and WOMEN.
How about the word 'YOURSELVES', this seems to indicate the 'PLURAL' of 'YOURSELF'.
We can 'ASSUME' a lot of worng things when we do not read according to the context.
AND as far as the 'SINNERS' prayer is concerned,I have never prayed the so-called sinners prayer.
I do not believe ANY person is saved by saying a prayer.
I believe a person is SAVED by YHWH having CHOSEN OUT a person from among the others before the Foundation of the World had been set forth.
This is according to the Will of YHWH.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you are saved, through faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the gift of God;
Eph 2:9 not of works, that not anyone should boast;
Gal 3:11 And that no one is justified by Law before God is clear because, "The just shall live by faith." Hab. 2:4
NOW let us deal with the issue of ETERNAL SECURITY.
The problem with most people on this issue,is that they have been taught 'HOW to read the Word of YHWH'.
Now let us look into the Scripture which pertain to this vital subject.
Joh 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Verse 8,let us look at the English word 'SAVED'
English-Saved
Greek-sōzō
G4982
σώζω
sōzō
Thayer Definition:
1) to save, keep safe and sound, to rescue from danger or destruction
1a) one (from injury or peril)
1a1) to save a suffering one (from perishing), i.e. one suffering from disease, to make well, heal, restore to health
1b1) to preserve one who is in danger of destruction, to save or rescue
1b) to save in the technical biblical sense
1b1) negatively
1b1a) to deliver from the penalties of the Messianic judgment
1b1b) to save from the evils which obstruct the reception of the Messianic deliverance
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from a primary sos (contraction for obsolete saoz, �safe�)
Joh 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Verse 10
English-Life
Greek-zōē
G2222
ζωή
zōē
Thayer Definition:
1) life
1a) the state of one who is possessed of vitality or is animate
1b) every living soul
2) life
2a) of the absolute fulness of life, both essential and ethical, which belongs to God, and through him both to the hypostatic �logos� and to Christ in whom the �logos� put on human nature
2b) life real and genuine, a life active and vigorous, devoted to God, blessed, in the portion even in this world of those who put their trust in Christ, but after the resurrection to be consummated by new accessions (among them a more perfect body), and to last for ever.
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from G2198
Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Joh 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
Joh 10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Verse 14,KNOW
English-Know
Greek-gin�sk�
gin�sk�: to come to know, recognize, perceive
Original Word: γινώσκω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: gin�sk�
Phonetic Spelling: (ghin-oce'-ko)
Short Definition: I come to know, learn, realize
Definition: I am taking in knowledge, come to know, learn; aor: I ascertained, realized.
1097 ginṓskō � properly, to know, especially through personal experience (first-hand acquaintance). 1097 /ginṓskō ("experientially know") is used for example in Lk 1:34, "And Mary [a virgin] said to the angel, 'How will this be since I do not know (1097 /ginṓskō = sexual intimacy) a man?'"
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Joh 10:19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
Joh 10:20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
Joh 10:21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?
Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
Joh 10:23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.
Joh 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
Joh 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish,
1. I GIVE unto them 'ETERNAL LIFE'
English-Give
Greek-didōm
G1325
δίδωμι
didōmi
Thayer Definition:
1) to give
2) to give something to someone
2a) of one�s own accord to give one something, to his advantage
2a1) to bestow a gift
2b) to grant, give to one asking, let have
2c) to supply, furnish, necessary things
2d) to give over, deliver
2d1) to reach out, extend, present
2d2) of a writing
2d3) to give over to one�s care, intrust, commit
2d3a) something to be administered
2d3b) to give or commit to some one something to be religiously observed
2e) to give what is due or obligatory, to pay: wages or reward
2f) to furnish, endue
3) to give
3a) to cause, profuse, give forth from one�s self
3a1) to give, hand out lots
3b) to appoint to an office
3c) to cause to come forth, i.e. as the sea, death and Hell are said to give up the dead who have been engulfed or received by them
3c) to give one to someone as his own
3c1) as an object of his saving care
3c2) to give one to someone, to follow him as a leader and master
3c3) to give one to someone to care for his interests
3c4) to give one to someone to whom he already belonged, to return
4) to grant or permit one
4a) to commission
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: a prolonged form of a primary verb (which is used as an alternative in most of the tenses)
