Thread: Scripture verses on God being sovereign in Salvation, and if you disagree, could you PLEASE interpret the verses?
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Scripture verses on God being sovereign in Salvation, and if you disagree, could you PLEASE interpret the verses?
Posted : 27 Dec, 2011 06:56 PM
Salvation is not finally in the hands of man to determine. His choices are crucial, but they are not the final, decisive power in bringing him to glory, God�s sovereign grace is.
1. God elects, chooses, before the foundation of the world whom he will save and whom he will pass by and leave to unbelief and sin and rebellion. He does this unconditionally, not on the basis of foreseen faith that humans produce by a supposed power of ultimate self-determination (= �free will�).
Acts 13:48, �When the gentiles heard this they were glad and glorified the word of God. And as many as were for ordained to eternal life believed.�
Romans 11:7, �Israel failed to obtain what is sought. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened.�
John 6:37, �All that the Father gives to me will come to me; and him who comes to me I will not cast out.� John 17:6, �I have manifested my name to them whom thou gavest me out of the world; thine they were, and thou gavest them to me.� (John 6:44, 65).
2. The Atonement applies to the elect in a unique, particular way, although the death of Christ is sufficient to propitiate the sins of the whole world. The death of Christ effectually accomplished the salvation for all God�s people.
Eph. 5:25, �Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.�
Heb. 10:14, �By a single offering he perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.�
John 10:15, �I lay down my life for the sheep.�
Rom. 8:32, �He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how shall he not with him freely give us all things?�
3. Because of the Fall, humans are incapable of any saving good apart from the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit. We are helpless and dead in sin. We have a mindset that �cannot submit to God without divine enabling.
Rom. 8:7-8, �The mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, it does not submit to God�s law; indeed it cannot. But you are not in the flesh; you are in the Spirit if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you.�
Eph. 2:1,5, �You were dead through your trespasses and sins.�
4. God�s call to salvation is effectual, and, hence His grace cannot be ultimately thwarted by human resistance. God�s regenerating call can overcome all human resistance.
Acts 16:14, �The Lord opened her heart to give heed to what was said by Paul.�
John 6:65, �This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted to him by my Father.� (Matt. 16:17; Luke 10:21)
1 Cor. 1:23-24, �We preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ, the power of God and the wisdom of God.�
5. Those whom God calls and regenerates He also keeps, so that they do not totally and finally fall away from faith and grace.
Rom. 8:30, �Those whom he predestined, he also called and those whom he called he also justified and those whom he justified he also glorified.�
John 10:27-29, �My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me; and I give them eternal life and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand.�
Phil. 1:6, �I am sure that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Christ Jesus.� (1 Cor. 1:8).
1 Thess. 5:23, �May the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly, and may your spirit and soul and body be kept sound and blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He who calls you is faithful and he will do it.�
Conclusion
Romans 11:36, �From him, through him, and to him are all things, to him be glory forever amen!�
Scripture verses on God being sovereign in Salvation, and if you disagree, could you PLEASE interpret the verses?
Posted : 28 Dec, 2011 06:19 AM
God knows the begining and he knows who wil and wont accept! It is mondane to continue this debate as whether or not God jusat randomly picj folks for salvation or in is knowlege of all things just knew which souls were too proud to ever admit they need him, either way of believing does not take away from his soveringty! and I can say this much if yall can say all means just some of all and you guys can make that asumption and huge jump I can make this jump
God for ordained the ones that he knew would not reject him!
He gave the ones to Christ that would not reject Him!
He FORKNEW and before hte founations of the earth he forknew!
We have to admit that there are some things we can not explain!
Just like I was saying about losing salvation! Thats hypothetical IF IF IF I had died in my backslidden state I would have went to hell and if I had died before I turned from him I would have went to heaven .. BUT God knew what I would do and hr knew I was not going to die while backsliddden therefor I never really lost my salvation as in the end when I will atruly BE SAVED I still have it! So having salvation is not really contengent on the stae in which a man lives rather it is contengent on the state in which his soul is when he leaves this world!
So its the same thing God knows whats going to happen he doesnt MAKE US do what we do but he already knows, so he isnt guessing whether or not we will deny the gift he has given us!
That makes the most sence based on scripture
SEE He knew who would not reject him so thosse He for ordained , those He gave to Jesus, those are the sheep he died for!
I think if you want to speak hypotheticly then if one of the ones that God knew would turn away somehow surprised Him (which we all know cant happen) and repented and came to love him then He would not reject him! He wouldnt say well your not on the list!
BUT WE KNOW THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEND so whats it matter?
No one can deny brother James that God is well aware who will and wont make it! So none of this matters its all fun to debate and discuss but it doesnt mean a hill of beans
cause nobody can surprise God! all of our disucsions are hypothetical!
I agree with you completly I think we all esintialy believe the same thing, just with the diffeence of whether God created us to fail..(that to me inplys God being the author of sin and I dont believe that) or that simply god knew who would love their sin till the end and who would have a tender heart and accept his call and heed to it and endure until the end!
So we dont really disagree on that much, I have been thinking a lot about this and to argue whether or not someone actuly chosses or whether or not one could choose to turn their back on God really really is mondane and stupid as Gods knowlege doesnt change so therefor the onse who ha gave to Jesus doesnt change the ones he died for doesnt change! cause he knows the end!
You guys think about that
love yall great big bunches have a fantaiscal day :ROFL:
