A. THE TRUTH IS THE WORD OF GOD, HE STANDS ON HIS OWN.
John 8:32 "And you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free".
How do you know the truth?, You know the truth by being TAUGHT THE TRUTH.
Jesus taught the disciples, He did not debate with them. He answered whatever questions they had.
When He left, He left them with the Spirit of truth, THE HOLY SPIRIT, to guide them to all truth.
B. THE DANGER OF DEBATING THE TRUTH:
2 Timothy 2:14 "Remind them of these things, and solemnly charge them in the presence of God : NOT TO WRANGLE ABOUT WORDS, WHICH IS USELESS, AND LEADS TO THE RUIN OF THE HEARERS"
Debating the word of God is useless and fruitless. TEACH IT.
The Word of God needs not to be taught to believers because the Word says that the anointing we have should do it.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie--just as it has taught you, abide in him.
With that being said, we are to just preach Christ crucified and love one another as He loved us because we will be known by our love for the brethren. Yet we are still to teach and admonish one another in love among the assembly of Christ with joy.
Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God.
May The light and love of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, be upon and in your life, brother.
gapeton, I think you have this passagein I John 2:27 out of context of what John is speaking about. The focus of this passage is not that believers are not to have teachers or be taught sound doctrines of God Word, , but that the anointing of the Holy Spirit will lead and teach the believer all things that concerns God and scirture to discern what is the truth of what is being taught.
If you take into consideration the wholeness of what John is saying I John 2:26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit�just as it has taught you, remain in him.
2 Timothy 4:1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
Throughout Paul's writings to Timothy and Titus, they are admonished to TEACH sound doctrine from God's word. God even gives the qualifications of those He has set over the church, that they must be able TO TECH SOUND DOCTRINE to the church.
It is the work/job of the Holy Spirit who indwells in the beliver to bring the person into the truth of all things that the believer is hearing if it be from God and of a truth, and teach the believer the truth of what is being taught about God and what He is saying in His word. Paul tells Timothy to teahc no other gospel other than what Paul has taught him in the word of God..
Paul also tell us that the Word of God should not be agrued because it profits nothing, but when an error has been made, the Word of GOd should be corrected , just as Jesus and Paul and the other apsotles scriptures tells us argued in the temple with the Pharisees and false teachers the truth of the gospel.
But believers who know the truth should not argue or debate over the gospel if indeed they are not in error of SOUND DOCTRINE.
Even those who claim to be teaching Jesus crucified, some don't have that correct. lol
2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All scripture is inspired by God, and profitable or teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness. That the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
The way it must be taught:
2 Timothy 4:2 "Preach the word, be ready in season and out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.
The scripture you quoted is not applicable to this question.The word of God is true no doubt at all.
The issue of the anointing is also immensely tied into Acts 2:4, all scripture, all of the new covenant was written in light of all people receiving the Gift Of the Holy Ghost, any comment against that truth is sin.
The holy Spirit is the TEACHER, but it Minister through us.
On the day of pentecost The Spirit of God minitered through Peter, and 3000 souls were saved.
The spirit miniSters through us, we are His vessel, He uses us.
Roman 10:14 "How then shall they call upon Him, whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him whom they have not heard?. And how shall they hear without a PREACHER?.
All scriptures are true, but they must be applied deligently not to be quoted out of context.
ETcallhome gapeton, I THINK you have this passagein I John 2:27 out of context of what John is speaking about. The focus of this passage is not that believers are not to have teachers or be taught sound doctrines of God Word, , but that the anointing of the Holy Spirit will lead and teach the believer all things that concerns God and scirture to discern what is the truth of what is being taught.
If you take into consideration the wholeness of what John is saying I John 2:26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit�just as it has taught you, remain in him.
ME: No. It actually confirms my statement. Because the Holy Spirit will teach you in accordance contrary to what the others who try to lead you astray say as in verse 1 John 2:26 and 27 say.
2 Timothy 4:1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
Throughout Paul's writings to Timothy and Titus, they are admonished to TEACH sound doctrine from God's word. God even gives the qualifications of those He has set over the church, that they must be able TO TECH SOUND DOCTRINE to the church.
ME: True, sister and now that we have all of the teachings in the Scriptures and have full access of them which another fellow brother has posted right after you with this verses;
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
ME: Now, if you pay attention to the text it says that the Scriptures are profitable for all these things because the Holy Spirit teaches us, the believers in Christ the truth. And by the rest of your statement, I think that you are trying to say the same thing except in lengthier words, sister.
But believers who know the truth should not argue or debate over the gospel if indeed they are not in error of SOUND DOCTRINE.
ME: This says otherwise, sister. But what ever you seem to want to believe is best with you. It makes no difference to me where you choose to go with this.
2 Timothy 4:1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. CONVINCE, REBUKE, EXHORT, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
Even those who claim to be teaching Jesus crucified, some don't have that correct. lol
ME: I agree. That is why the word says, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry." 2 Tim. 4:3
Manscottell Posted : 15 Jan, 2012 08:08 AM
Agapeton,
The word of God must be taught
2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All scripture is inspired by God, and profitable or teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness. That the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
ME: I notice that the Word is profitable for teaching and the teacher is the Holy Spirit, brother.
The way it must be taught:
2 Timothy 4:2 "Preach the word, be ready in season and out of season, reprove (the word in Greek is elegcho*. It essentially means to convince.), rebuke (Greek is epeitimao~) , exhort, with great patience and instruction.
*elegchō
el-eng'-kho
Of uncertain affinity; to confute, admonish: - convict, CONVINCE, tell a fault, rebuke, reprove.
*con�vince (kn-vns)
tr.v. con�vinced, con�vinc�ing, con�vinc�es
1. To bring by the use of argument or evidence to firm belief or a course of action. See Synonyms at persuade.
2. Obsolete To prove to be wrong or guilty.
3. Obsolete To conquer; overpower.
[Latin convincere, to prove wrong : com-, intensive pref.; see com- + vincere, to conquer; see weik-3 in Indo-European roots.]
con�vincement n.
con�vincer n.
con�vinci�ble adj.
~epitimaō
Thayer Definition:
1) to show honour to, to honour
2) to raise the price of
3) to adjudge, award, in the sense of merited penalty
4) to tax with fault, rate, chide, rebuke, reprove, censure severely
4a) to admonish or charge sharply
Part of Speech: verb
~re�prove (r-prv)
tr.v. re�proved, re�prov�ing, re�proves
1. To voice or convey disapproval of; rebuke. See Synonyms at admonish.
2. To find fault with.
[Middle English reproven, from Anglo-Norman repruver, variant of Old French reprover, from Late Latin reprobre, to disapprove; see reprobate.]
The scripture you quoted is not applicable to this question.The word of God is true no doubt at all.
The Question IS THE TRUTH DEBATABLE?
ME: No it is not. But will others refute it and try to teach contrary to it? Yes, whole heartedly, they will. Will they see the truth other than the way it is shown to them? That is debatable. How do we know this? Because many denominations have come into being because men have not adhered to the simple truths of the Scriptures.
May the Lord Jesus Christ keep you in His light, brother.
I didn't quote anything out of context I fully understand the place of the Holy Spirit, but what i also said part of his anointing is truth his minstry gift's.
Apostle
Prophet
Evangelist
Pastor
Teacher
You will find all these about argument's about you don't need anyone to teach you but the Holy Ghost, are not usuallysubject to these ministry Gift's
For instance it has been said on here that typically pastor teacher anointing go together but know they don't.
My pastor is anointed to Pastor, but also is anointed as a teacher.
