Author	Thread: Can a true believer be fooled into believing these doctrines?
dljrn04 View Profile History	Can a true believer be fooled into believing these doctrines? Posted : 21 Jan, 2012 03:12 PM Well I think that answer is clearly yes. A true believer can be fooled into believing unbelievable�unbelievable�mistakes, doctrinally and ethically. If that weren't true we would all be perfect, wouldn't we? It just seems like, yes, we're all mistaken on numerous things. So I guess the question is, "Is it serious enough so that if you embrace it you couldn't be a believer?" And I think the answer to that is no. There are so many people that are being badly taught on these things. And a verse here or a verse there is brought in to say, "Clearly from 3 John he prays toward our prosperity! He wants us to prosper!" People hear that and then the preacher takes it way beyond, saying that prosperity means you're going to have a job. "It'll be a six-figure job and you'll wear a big gold watch like mine and drive a big, fancy, expensive car like mine. And you'll live on the beach like I do and maybe someday have your own jet like I do." Can a true believer be fooled into believing the prosperity gospel? People are taken there. They just see the steps going there and not everybody has a critical mind to say, "That's a non sequitur. That doesn't follow." They just go from the biblical verse that looked pretty clear�God likes us to have our diseases healed and have a job and keep food on our table�and go from there to jet set. And so, since we can be taken astray like that, I think a genuine believer is just blind at that point. And we need to teach. Because it's amazing how many people, when they hear solid teaching, wake up! They don't say, "I just got saved!" They say, "I knew deep down something was wrong. I just couldn't articulate it. It just didn't feel right." I was just reading an online expos�-type thing of a woman who narrated her life in and out of that kind of thing. So, yes, I think God is so merciful to us in our bad ideas about him. And I think, rather than deciding who is a Christian and who is not in regard to the prosperity gospel, we should just be teaching as much truth as we can. Post Reply
View Profile History	Can a true believer be fooled into believing these doctrines? Posted : 21 Jan, 2012 03:17 PM There is no such thing as a true believer. One is either a believer or they are not. A believe would know that THE GOSPEL IS PROSPERITY, in other gospel is not the gospel. Post Reply
View Profile History	Can a true believer be fooled into believing these doctrines? Posted : 21 Jan, 2012 05:05 PM No one can be fooled into heaevn no matter what doctrine they believe or not believe.:glow: A person can be fooled OUT OF HEAVEN by not following the Truth of God's Word ... God calls this being overcome with tricks of the devil Post Reply
View Profile History	Can a true believer be fooled into believing these doctrines? Posted : 21 Jan, 2012 05:33 PM If You are "born again" you cann't be fooled by False doctrines. What is a true Believer? Not heard that term. Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	Can a true believer be fooled into believing these doctrines? Posted : 21 Jan, 2012 05:35 PM God will provide for his own, however he is not a jenie in a bottle waiting to grsnt you 3 wishes one being to be rich, thats evil he is in a God of contradictions He said where your treasure is your heat will be he also said set your treasures in heaven so He is not out to make anyone rich however satan will be glad to make you rich He tried to fool Jesus with wealth and power and he used scripture also to try to foold Jeus God in the flesh sso how much more will satan use riches and scripture to try and fool us? Post Reply
View Profile History	Can a true believer be fooled into believing these doctrines? Posted : 21 Jan, 2012 05:43 PM Specifically speaking of finances Elisha man's redemption is Jesus became poor than we would be made rich. That being said the whole and every aspect of it is prosperity on the highest level. Man will never prosper financially until he prospers spiritually. Post Reply
elishabroadway View Profile History	Can a true believer be fooled into believing these doctrines? Posted : 21 Jan, 2012 05:58 PM God will provide for his own, however he is not a jenie in a bottle waiting to grsnt you 3 wishes one being to be rich, thats evil he is in a God of contradictions He said where your treasure is your heat will be he also said set your treasures in heaven so He is not out to make anyone rich however satan will be glad to make you rich He tried to fool Jesus with wealth and power and he used scripture also to try to foold Jeus God in the flesh sso how much more will satan use riches and scripture to try and fool us? Post Reply
View Profile History	Can a true believer be fooled into believing these doctrines? Posted : 21 Jan, 2012 06:16 PM Elisha this will help you, that sound's like the devil. Satan can not prosper a child of God. Now you need to rightly divide what you are saying. Nobody said anything about it being your God. But it is a benefit to all those that seek after the kingdom Of God. Post Reply
1newguy View Profile History	Can a true believer be fooled into believing these doctrines? Posted : 21 Jan, 2012 08:08 PM First off, there is such a thing as a "true"believer. Jesus clearly talks about false believers(Matt 7:15-20) so there is obviously true believers. Pj is just trying to somehow seem doctrinally correct in such a silly way to help defend his total lack of defending his views DOCTRINALLY(that means with the full view of Scripture). Secondly, true believers (I'll add "believers for Pj's understanding)can believe false doctrine. NOT doctrine that is central to salvation, but secondary doctrines. Why would we be warned repeatedly in Scripture about false teachers and their doctrines if the Lord didn't think we might follow them? What about the Corinthian Church which had all kinds of crazy beliefs(doctrines)yet most were still considered Christians? And surely if all true believers couldn't be fooled by false doctrines, then why are there so many denominations today? We should all be on the exact same page! We should be as the noble Bereans and search the Lord's Word against anything we hear, despite the source. We are all fallible humans who must continually seek the Lord in prayer and earnestly study the Scriptures to show ourself approved to our most worthy Lord. Blezsings Post Reply
View Profile History	Can a true believer be fooled into believing these doctrines? Posted : 21 Jan, 2012 08:27 PM Hello Donna: Here is the perfect example of your post coming to light,and life. This person is believing nonsense,and PROFESSES to being a believer in Yeshua. PEEj writes: Elisha this will help you, that sound's like the devil. Satan can not prosper a child of God. Now you need to rightly divide what you are saying. Nobody said anything about it being your God. But it is a benefit to all those that seek after the kingdom Of God. Me Yeshuas' poverty was to become a man. My prosperity is to being an adopted son of EL ELYON,the Most High GOD. Shalom Farmer ps: Satan does prosper many people financially. Just look at the corrupt Government,and corrupt banking system in this country.. I would also include the health and wealth philosophers in this country also. Post Reply
shalom716 View Profile History	Can a true believer be fooled into believing these doctrines? Posted : 21 Jan, 2012 08:27 PM Point well made, Bro. I pray to not be deceived by false teachers and false prophets like I have been in the past. I try to stay in the word then I'm not lead astray into strange pasture. Post Reply

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