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Does this verse of Scripture DENY the Deity of Yeshua / Jesus
Posted : 17 Feb, 2012 02:15 PM
I believe the following English translation of the Greek Scriptures has been translated wrongly,misleading people to believe that Yeshua in His humanity did not know the time of His return.
Please study this out before replying.
Mark 13:32
(KJV) But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
(KJV+) ButG1161 ofG4012 thatG1565 dayG2250 andG2532 that hourG5610 knowethG1492 no man,G3762 no, notG3761 theG3588 angelsG32 whichG3588 are inG1722 heaven,G3772 neitherG3761 theG3588 Son,G5207 butG1508 theG3588 Father.G3962
(LITV) But concerning that day and the hour, no one knows, not the angels, those in Heaven, nor the Son, except the Father.
(YLT) `And concerning that day and the hour no one hath known--not even the messengers who are in the heaven, not even the Son--except the Father.
Does this verse of Scripture DENY the Deity of Yeshua / Jesus
Posted : 17 Feb, 2012 02:34 PM
I believe the following English translation of the Greek Scriptures has been translated wrongly,misleading people to believe that Yeshua in His humanity did not know the time of His return.
*** Might wanna post the Greek translation of scripture you are using to compare to so it can be compared to the English...if you are comparing "words" to "words" and meanings of "words" using a on-line system for comparison ya might wanna share what one...that way the people here can compare also...thanks George...xo
Does this verse of Scripture DENY the Deity of Yeshua / Jesus
Posted : 17 Feb, 2012 03:35 PM
Title: Does this verse of Scripture DENY the Deity of Yeshua / Jesus
Mark 13:32 ~ But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. KJV
*** Also wanna ask for clarification...are your finding a "fault/error" in the Translation or "fault/error" in Yahshua's / Jesus* "statement" ???...and to answer your question...NO !!!...it does not DENY Yahshua's / Jesus* Deity...xo
Does this verse of Scripture DENY the Deity of Yeshua / Jesus
Posted : 17 Feb, 2012 04:42 PM
Yet the Greek emphatically states that Yeshua does know the day He will return.
*** OK...so post the Greek and what Source you are using so that we may "see" the differance in the "wording" that proves your point...Please and Thank you George...xo
Does this verse of Scripture DENY the Deity of Yeshua / Jesus
Posted : 17 Feb, 2012 04:52 PM
Hey, brother George! I hope that you are finding the graces of our Lord and Savior's Loving embrace in your days and continue to seek Him in all things!
*turns and lovingly looks at sister Jude and says*
Hi my beautiful sister! Good points! I will try to put the Greek and the English meanings for both if I can. I notice that this site is limited with fonts and that is why these weird numbers come up when posting the Hebrew or Greek words. I'll try to post them as best as I can in the literal sense, so please bear with me.
Mark 13: 32
[concerning ] Peri [moreover] de [the] tes [day] hemeras [that] ekeines [or] e [the] tes [hour] horas [no one] oudeis [knows] oiden [not even] oude [the] hoi [angels] angeloi [in] en [heaven] ouranoh [nor] oude [the] ho [son] huios [if] ei [not] me [ the] ho [father] pater.
K. Hope that helps! :)
*turns to George and responds*
Well, brother, considering that Jesus was speaking of the destruction of the temple and the disciples asked Him TWO (1 when the temple would be destroyed. 2. When He would come again Mat. 24:3; Luke 21:7) questions, He was pretty accurate in His saying what He did in that way.
See, this will depend on your ideology(4 major views to go by), of course, but the simple way to explain it without causing confusion is like this:
Jesus is describing When the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans would be according to the prophecy of Daniel and what those signs of it would be AND when the actual second coming would be. Two separate events.
One is described in detail leading before and up to the destruction so the disciples (and later Jewish and secular historians could document and detect. Hence, "Let the reader understand" in Mat. 24:15.) of Jesus would know to FLEE FROM JERUSALEM because the siege was to happen.
And the other was His second coming which would come at a time when no one would know. The "son" not knowing part is the confusing one for the person who believes the dispensational, or futuristic part of what Jesus is speaking about.
See, in effect, Jesus, who Is God, is also saying that "physical manifestation" of God, does not know. In essence, since Jesus is God and is co-equal with God in all things, knows when it will happen in a spiritual sense because the Father constantly communes with his eternally BUT the physical "prepared flesh part" of the manifestation doesn't know when He will come on the Last Day.
Does this verse of Scripture DENY the Deity of Yeshua / Jesus
Posted : 17 Feb, 2012 05:44 PM
George asked: Does this verse of Scripture DENY the Deity of Yeshua/Jesus? Mark 13:32 (KJV) But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Ella ask: George what part of this passages do you think is denying the deity of Jesus Christ?
It is as I've explained before that Jesus is sbuordaniate t Gid although they are the same but have different offices. God is in total control because He is the one who sent His Son, therefore, Jesus is as Son on the right hand of His Father in heaven. And when its time for His return to set up the kingdom and accomplish everything God the Father has for Him to accomplish He will remain as Son, and after everything has been accomplsihed Jesus will then trun everything back into the ahnds of the Father.
I Corinthians 15. Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he (GOD)�has put everything under his (JESUS")feet.� Now when it says that �everything� has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
Does this verse of Scripture DENY the Deity of Yeshua / Jesus
Posted : 17 Feb, 2012 06:16 PM
Ella writes:
George asked: Does this verse of Scripture DENY the Deity of Yeshua/Jesus? Mark 13:32 (KJV) But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Ella ask: George what part of this passages do you think is denying the deity of Jesus Christ?
It is as I've explained before that Jesus is sbuordaniate t Gid although they are the same but have different offices. God is in total control because He is the one who sent His Son, therefore, Jesus is as Son on the right hand of His Father in heaven. And when its time for His return to set up the kingdom and accomplish everything God the Father has for Him to accomplish He will remain as Son, and after everything has been accomplsihed Jesus will then trun everything back into the ahnds of the Father.
I Corinthians 15. Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he (GOD)�has put everything under his (JESUS")feet.� Now when it says that �everything� has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
Me
Ella,you believe Yeshua is a lessed GOD,then YHWH,
Hmmmmmm.
If this is as you say then Yeshua could not be GOD,or GOD the Son,for both the Father and the Son each are Omnipotent,Omnipresent,and Omniscient.
Does this verse of Scripture DENY the Deity of Yeshua / Jesus
Posted : 17 Feb, 2012 06:25 PM
I've been good, brother. Been missing your topics, man. There are some serious "passive Aggressive" Christians here making topics in silent angry retorts towards others who don't believe in what they do here. Kind of funny, cause all they have to do is actually use Scripture to rebuke them on the matter and it will be solved. Weird customs in these forums for Christ followers... lol *inserts confused Christian icon dude here*
Anyways, The tet is actually pretty clear, bro. If you read the Greek it actually does state that the son doesn't know. I did it in a phonetic way in my last post. Here:
Mark 13: 32 [concerning ] Peri [moreover] de [the] tes [day] hemeras [that] ekeines [or] e [the] tes [hour] horas [no one] oudeis [knows] oiden [not even] oude [the] hoi [angels] angeloi [in] en [heaven] ouranoh [NOR] oude [THE] ho [SON] huios [IF] ei [NOT] me [ the] ho [father] pater.
As I said, before in my last post, for the Dispensational (Furutist) Christian, this verse will always be problematic for them because of the "Son's not knowing".
