The Lord said It Then And Know You See It Happening.
Posted : 21 Feb, 2012 08:56 PM
Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the chest.
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
Pj, do you even know what this is about?
When these verse were penned, Isaiah was warning of a coming judgement of God from another nation, the Assyrians. The verses roughly translate to God saying " Since you wont listen to my simple, understandable language, (Isa. 28:13) I will send a foreign invader into your land. And their language will be a sign judgement on a people (Isa. 28:11) who refused God when He offered them rest and the ability to give rest to others.
Isa 28:8 For all tables are full of filthy vomit, with no space left.
Isa 28:9 "To whom will he teach knowledge, and to whom will he explain the message? Those who are weaned from the milk, those taken from the breast?
Isa 28:10 For it is precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little."
Isa 28:11 For by people of strange lips and with a foreign tongue the LORD will speak to this people,
Isa 28:12 to whom he has said, "This is rest; give rest to the weary; and this is repose"; yet they would not hear.
Isa 28:13 And the word of the LORD will be to them precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little, that they may go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Ironically the same word is also used in Genesis 11:9. It literally means language.
The Lord said It Then And Know You See It Happening.
Posted : 22 Feb, 2012 04:04 AM
Right, PJ. Dude do you know that the book of Isaiah is documented in history to prove that the Persians and the Medes destroyed Israel's first temple? Or do you just make things up as you go along?
Tongue in Isa. 28:11 saphah sefeth Strongs H8193. Same word in Genesis 11:9.
The Lord said It Then And Know You See It Happening.
Posted : 22 Feb, 2012 05:51 AM
Then quit denying it Sal.
That account is supernatural utterance by the Holy Spirit inclusive of how man would reject the rest given to man that would accept the holy Spirit and be able to speak in tongues.
Anyone that stays filled by speaking in other tongues and then flows into the this obedience. Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
Eph 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
Eph 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Eph 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Eph 5:21 � Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
The first mention is the establishment of the will of GoD.
The first mention of being filled is:
Acts 2:Ac 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Ac 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
How where they filled again the same way they where in Acts 2:4
Ac 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Again as they prayed in other tongues they where filled
Eph tells us to be being filled Continually
The believer that prays in other tongues and is a doer of speaking to themselves in psalms and hymns.
This person knows the infilling departs just like it comes, you have to continually be filled by speaking in tongues.
The gift of tongues is not speaking in tongues, but it will manifest in those that speak in tongues and stay full of the Holy Ghost, and they will enter the rest spoken of by Isa in the 28 th chapter.
Do you realize the word can and does have current day values and prophetic, or prophecy, I know that rest because I have done and continue to be a doer of the word and with stammering lips I enter into that rest.
The Lord said It Then And Know You See It Happening.
Posted : 22 Feb, 2012 10:08 AM
PJ, I'm not denying that they spoke in another language, bro. I'm in agreement with you on that. But the tongues they spoke was easily understood. Even you agreed with that when I asked the questions. Remember?
Here, I'll re-post it.
Act 2:1 When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Act 2:5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven.
Act 2:6 And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because EACH ONE WAS HEARING THEM SPEAK IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE.
Act 2:7 And they were amazed and astonished, saying, "Are not all these who are speaking Galileans?
Act 2:8 And how is it that WE HEAR, each of us IN HIS OWN NATIVE LANGUAGE?
Act 2:9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
Act 2:10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome,
Act 2:11 both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians--WE HEAR THEM TELLING IN OUR OWN TONGUES THE MIGHTY WORDS OF GOD."
PJ COPIES AND POSTS HIS ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION:
3. Were the disciples speaking in a tongue that the multitude could understand?
In this instance yes, did the disciples know what they where speaking NO.
You can not intellectually discern the word of God..
See what I mean, bro? I mean how can you deny the fact that when these people were prophesying that others didn't understand them. even IF the believers in Christ DIDN'T understand what they were saying the hearers did. That alone would give you some sort of clue as to why the ideology of this unknown language comes from.
That is the whole point of me asking the questions to you in such manner. If you see that the language was understood on the part of the hearers, then we have to conclude that EVERY TIME we see the tongues occasion mentioned within the book of Acts as referencing it back to the beginning which was a known understandable language. It's that simple.
1. Why was the multitude bewildered when they came together to hear the disciples?
2. What did they say when they came together?
3. Were the disciples speaking in a tongue that the multitude could understand?
4. Who was understanding the tongues being spoken?
5. What were the disciples telling the multitude while speaking in tongues?
Peter said that the multitude heard them (Acts 2:33). The multitude showed that they heard and understood them (Ats 2:8,11). and Even Peter said that the gentiles got the same gift in Acts 11, so there is really nothing else to conclude but what the Word of God implies - the tongues was a known understandable language that people could understand. And the ones who HAD to understand it were the people who benefited from the preaching of the gospel, that is the non-believer had to understand the mighty works of God in order to be converted. That was the whole thrust of Acts 1:8.
Jesus said that they would be endowed with power to BE HIS WITNESSES and speak of Him. That is what Happened.
Act 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be MY WITNESSES in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."
That is why the events were repeated in Acts 4:31.
Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness.
The evidence of the Holy Spirit was not the tongues but the fact that people were suddenly "witnessing" about Christ, which is the mighty works of God.
It's just that simple, brother. That is the whole commission that we have been given and the power we have been endowed by the filling of the Holy Spirit. That is the whole reason why our Lord said to not meditate on what we shall say to others because our Father in heaven will give us what to say.
I hope some of this comes across to you as me not trying to make you look bad or to demean you in anyway, brother, because I'm not trying to do this in any way. I'm simply trying to explain the simplicity of the Scriptures in light of what is presented.
May our Lord and Savior bring you more of His blessings upon your, PJ.
The Lord said It Then And Know You See It Happening.
Posted : 22 Feb, 2012 10:17 AM
No it makes it clear you do not receive the word of God.
You can not tell one walking in the light of the word, they do not hear the voice of God and every one that heareth, this is the key it is a choice, they then do the word of God in otherwords they receive the Holy Ghost and speak in tongues.
Those that hear it and harden their hearts will self delude deceive them selves.
Year after year I observed the children receive the word of God and be filled with the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues, you see some actually blaspheme the Holy Ghost concerning this topic.
It is to late to try and tell me the word is not true.
My question is why would anyone refuse the person of the Holy Spirit.
So Sal I will encourage again with these words The Gifts of The Spirit are not operating in those that reject this truth.
The Lord said It Then And Know You See It Happening.
Posted : 22 Feb, 2012 10:45 AM
PJ, Thanks for the encouragement, brother, but then I ask you what spirit was prompting you to respond contrary to what you believe in your response to my question 3 in the original topic?
Your original quote to me on page 2 on the topic titled "What Does The Father and The Lord Jesus Say Concerning The Gift Of The Holy Spirit." posted on19 Feb, 2012 at 10:41 PM was:
phillipjohn: 3. Were the disciples speaking in a tongue that the multitude could understand?
In this instance yes, did the disciples know what they where speaking NO.
You can not intellectually discern the word of God..
You left out the Holy Spirit gave them the utterance, it is always a know language when I pray in tongues, it is not one I have learned.
Any Spirit filled Christian would laugh at that attempt to deny the word of God.
It is exactly how the traditions of men operate.
So why did you agree with me that the hearers understood the language, brother? What made was compelling you to say that then?
The Lord said It Then And Know You See It Happening.
Posted : 22 Feb, 2012 11:44 AM
Because the word says they do but I also no exactly what happened, you are using that to reason away the truth of this teaching and I know that.
I know one language English. if I pray with a person that speaks nothing but spanish and they receive the Holy Spirit and then they speak as the spirit gives them utterance in perfect English, they did not know one word in English.
I have always said when I pray in tongues it is a known language, it is not know by me though, it is always the Holy Spirit, that gives the language it comes straight from the throne every time you will pray the perfect pray.
But I am not always praying in tongues so much as prayer, but to build myself up spiritually, and sometimes I worship the lord in tongues for he said you give thanks well in the spirit. Almost always if we are in a small group and are praying in tongues, that gift of tongues will manifest, the word of knowledge operates a lot thru me has for years.
I told you the second time i ever heard you respond to a post what you where doing, and no you did not agree but it was correct and still is.
That statement is a good example of faith that worketh by love, it has always been good with me to be corrected, I have no problem with correction.
Btw the way a believer full of the word and the Spirit can know what is in man's heart every time.
As Christians we do not have to live on the bottom of the heap.
The former and the latter rain has already started in this country, and many will miss it totally, and many will call it the work of the devil, and they will put themselves Right in the hands of the enemy with their words and actions. There are a few on here already there, and guess who exhorts them for what they SAY.
I love you Sal, my mind and no one else mind can love you.
The Lord said It Then And Know You See It Happening.
Posted : 22 Feb, 2012 02:54 PM
PJ: Because the word says they do but I also no exactly what happened, you are using that to reason away the truth of this teaching and I know that.
ME: So, you are still saying that even though the disciples didn't understand themselves when they were speaking in this language, you know that the hearers heard and understood them in their own language, brother? Is that what you mean?
PJ: I know one language English. if I pray with a person that speaks nothing but spanish and they receive the Holy Spirit and then they speak as the spirit gives them utterance in perfect English, they did not know one word in English.
ME: OK. I see your point, so you are essentially saying that even though they may be speaking in Spanish you may hear them in your own language of English?
Is that what you mean?
And if that is what you mean, then does that mean that this person would understand you praying in his own language of Spanish when you are praying in English?
Seriously. Is that what you are saying?
PJ: I have always said when I pray in tongues it is a known language, it is not know by me though, it is always the Holy Spirit, that gives the language it comes straight from the throne every time you will pray the perfect pray.
ME: I see, brother. But when you do pray and the Holy Spirit gives the language, the person hearing it understands it in their language all the time whether he, or she, is a non-believer or not?
Is that what you are saying?
PJ: But I am not always praying in tongues so much as prayer, but to build myself up spiritually, and sometimes I worship the lord in tongues for he said you give thanks well in the spirit. Almost always if we are in a small group and are praying in tongues, that gift of tongues will manifest, the word of knowledge operates a lot thru me has for years.
ME: I see what you mean, brother. So, you pray in this language to build yourself up spiritually? I'm curious. What Scripture supports that and the other one about giving thanks well in the spirit? I'd like to see those, brother. Thanks.
PJ: I told you the second time i ever heard you respond to a post what you where doing, and no you did not agree but it was correct and still is.
I'm sorry. I must have missed it that time because I believe I had several people coming at me at that time. I was wondering if you could refresh my memory on what that was about, if you don't mind.
PJ: That statement is a good example of faith that worketh by love, it has always been good with me to be corrected, I have no problem with correction.
ME: Awesome, brother. Me too. I have no problem with it either. If I am shown my error, I usually accept and agree with it too.
PJ: Btw the way a believer full of the word and the Spirit can know what is in man's heart every time.
As Christians we do not have to live on the bottom of the heap.
The former and the latter rain has already started in this country, and many will miss it totally, and many will call it the work of the devil, and they will put themselves Right in the hands of the enemy with their words and actions. There are a few on here already there, and guess who exhorts them for what they SAY.
ME: I agree. God is definitely raining down upon all people whether they seek His shelter or not.
PJ: I love you Sal, my mind and no one else mind can love you.
I love you too Phillip John. You are my brother in whom Christ has blessed me to be joined in mind and Spirit with. Because of His willingness to give up His abode for us to take up our sin upon Himself, so that we can be raised up through His resurrection in victory, PJ. That is the most wonderful type of love that can be displayed and I am honored to share and partake of it with you, brother!
