Author	Thread: God's Love to those he chose.
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 10:41 AM Romans 9:1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen. 6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called." 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: "At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son." 10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger." 13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated." 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion." 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth." 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. 19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As He says also in Hosea: "I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved." 26 "And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' There they shall be called sons of the living God." 27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, The remnant will be saved. 28 For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness, Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth." 29 And as Isaiah said before: "Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, We would have become like Sodom, And we would have been made like Gomorrah." 30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense, And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." Praise God for his sovereign grace. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 11:25 AM Whososever is born upon the earth by the father's love and faith is already saved all any sinner needs to do is accept that Gift of life. So we know that love Gave of himself that all might have the opportunity to choose his LOVE. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 12:40 PM If someone were already saved, that would eliminate the need for them to do anything to become saved. How can someone become something they already are? Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 01:02 PM That is not what I said. The fundamentals of Christianity is built upon the foundation of faith. Say the question what does faith say? Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 01:07 PM I apologize as it seemed you said if you are born you are saved. I'm not sure what you are asking. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 01:08 PM Rereading it seems you may be saying whoever is born again is saved. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 01:11 PM So again pj you deny the word of God Romans 9 : 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. 19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? You still think anything you do earns you heaven. God says otherwise. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 01:18 PM Donna, I did not say anything such thing. Believing is not thinking. It is the thinkers that oppose the truth. The law of faith is how the kingdom of God operates. Do you know the father is man's example of faith? So again what I said was love sees all of mankind saved when the sacrifice was made for all. Loves See's all of mankind healed. For faith worketh by Love, and Love calleth things that be not as thought they where. That is a simple explanation of faith. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 01:22 PM Not even close pj that is not what God says at all. Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 01:22 PM I see where the sacrifice was made for the sheep. "I lay down my life for the sheep". I do not see where the sacrifice was for all. Maybe you could provide some clarify on this issue with a verse or two? Post Reply
View Profile History	God's Love to those he chose. Posted : 28 Feb, 2012 01:41 PM You have to agree with the word of God. You can not put the doctrines of men before God. The bible is our source for truth. Post Reply

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