Thread: 10 questions that have neve and sstill wont be answerd, and I am not asking for an anwer cause there isnt one that will answer them without some twisting slide of hand , this is just an articel I didnt wright it, I am not opening myself up for anymore attacks, in fact I am going to wai one more time, the next time I am called a name by anyone such as liar or hipocit, I am going to delete my profile and move on, nobody on here has that right to call anyone else on here ugly names for any reason especialy liar! thats about the most offenisve thing I can think of to be called, o if anyone onhere is ready for me to go, go aheasd and take you best shot, I am sick of this forum anyway its aout nothing more than those who want to prove htey are right and prevoke an argument with someone else no matter what the cost! I am over it! so this may very well be my last post, ad if its not the one where someone calls me names offends me hurts my felings or makes personal attacks against me or where I see someone else attacek ten I am out, cause its just not gonna stop and I am weary of it
10 questions that have neve and sstill wont be answerd, and I am not asking for an anwer cause there isnt one that will answer them without some twisting slide of hand , this is just an articel I didnt wright it, I am not opening myself up for anymore attacks, in fact I am going to wai one more time, the next time I am called a name by anyone such as liar or hipocit, I am going to delete my profile and move on, nobody on here has that right to call anyone else on here ugly names for any reason especialy liar! thats about the most offenisve thing I can think of to be called, o if anyone onhere is ready for me to go, go aheasd and take you best shot, I am sick of this forum anyway its aout nothing more than those who want to prove htey are right and prevoke an argument with someone else no matter what the cost! I am over it! so this may very well be my last post, ad if its not the one where someone calls me names offends me hurts my felings or makes personal attacks against me or where I see someone else attacek ten I am out, cause its just not gonna stop and I am weary of it
Posted : 1 Mar, 2012 11:05 PM
John Calvin�s theological system was centered around five points constructed in the acrostic: TULIP. His theology is most often mirrored with James Arminius� interpretations. Both Calvinists and Armenians often get a bad rap because of those who have taken either theological system to extremes. But the basic system of John Calvin can be summarized in this way:
Total depravity. Man are so utterly infected with sin that he is rendered completely helpless. He is deeply infected in heart, mind and body. Man is so saturated by sin and his heart is so depraved that it is not possible for such a sinful heart to seek a holy God. Therefore, men have no part in their own salvation. They are completely at the mercy of God. If God chooses to save them they will be saved. If God chooses to dam$ them they will be da*&%.
Unconditional election. There is nothing within any individual that merits salvation. A man�s salvation is arbitrarily decided by an all sovereign God. Man�s will has nothing to do with his salvation. He may want to be saved but still be lost or he may want to choose the way of sin and yet be saved against his own will. Nothing man wants or decides can overcome the sovereign will of God.
Limited atonement. Jesus didn�t die for all men, he only died for those who have been predestined for eternal life by the will of the Father. When Christ hung on the cross he was saving only the sheep and not the goats. He bore the sins of many but not the sins of all.
Irresistible grace. God�s sovereignty overwhelms the will of men so that they cannot resist when he calls. There is a general, external call to all men but the internal call to the elect can never be rejected. It may be compared to a law officer coming to your door to arrest you. You may not want to go with him but he has chosen that you go so you shall whether you agree or not.
Perseverance of the Saints. You cannot lose your salvation. If you have been chosen by the Father and purchased by the shed blood of the Son and called out by the voice of the Holy Spirit you are saved and made eternally secure. Nothing can take away your salvation. If you experienced saving grace but returned to your old sinful ways you were not really saved in the first place. You experienced a false conversion. It can be likened to �Motel California�, once you�ve checked in you can�t check out?
My Calvinist friends come in at all different levels. Some are 3-point Calvinists, some 4-points Calvinists. Most are 5-point Calvinists. I can probably claim to be a 1-point Calvinist. I believe strongly that the heart of man is totally depraved and cannot in and of itself respond to the call of God. I believe no man comes to God lest the Spirit of God first call him. It�s like sitting in the doctor�s office. You don�t walk in to see the doctor until he calls you in. I believe this is prevenient grace, the Spirit of God preparing the heart to receive salvation as a farmer prepares the earth for planting in the spring. Men cannot determine the time and manner in which they come to Christ. I believe not so much that men have free will as I believe that God frees their will through prevenient grace.
I agree with James Arminius when considering the Perseverance of the Saints. I have trouble balancing the sovereignty of God with the free will of man. I know God will finish the good work he has started in us. I know that nothing can separate us from the love of Christ. I know that we are granted eternal life, not when we die, but when we confess our sins and accept salvation. But I resist the idea that when we are saved we become prisoners and we are locked behind bars. I don�t think it�s so much a matter of whether we can or cannot decide to walk away from Christ. I think rather it is more a matter of whether we will or will not. I can�t imagine arriving at heaven, spending a day and then deciding I�d rather go to hell. If we experience true genuine salvation and enter into a personal relationship with Christ, who in their right mind would decide they didn�t want that?
My heart leans heavily toward Arminianism because I cannot seem to reconcile the middle three points of Calvinism. I may yet be convinced if perhaps one of my Calvinist friends would give me convincing answers to the following questions:
1.If God has already determined who is and who is not to be saved, why do Calvinists witness to and pray for others? If man cannot be saved by any of his own effort why would we think he could be saved by our efforts of witnessing and praying? His salvation is unaffected by our effort because he was chosen before the foundations of the world. Is it not a waste of energy and time?
2.I have three sons. Suppose all three are drowning and I have an opportunity to save them. But, I arbitrarily decide to save two and let the third die. Would my love for my sons be considered somewhat deficient? Isn�t the love of God perfect? If so, how can he demonstrate love by arbitrarily determining some of his children will perish while others will not?
3.The good news isn�t so good for some. When Paul and Barnabas preached to the pagans they were told that there was good news (Acts 14). Christ had died for their sins. This is problematic because Christ actually didn�t die for all pagans, he only died for some pagans and the good news is actually bad news for some.
4.If some are predetermined to damnation before they were even born how are they accountable for the punishment they will receive? If a man is penitent and falls to his knees, sincerely seeking repentance, shall we say to him, �You may or may not be saved. God alone knows if you are of the elect?�
5.Is God a loving God? Is he just and is he good? Does God love the elect unconditionally but despise the non-elect? Is God�s system of justice inferior to man�s system of justice? In the American system all men are declared deserving of a fair trial. Is God fair and just when he unconditionally chooses some for heaven and some for hell? If God is good how is it that he can create some to go to heaven and purposely create others to send to hell? What is the predetermined quota God has determined for heaven and hell? If that number is already set, why does the Bible indicate that God decided to send more to hell than to heaven �Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.� (Matt. 7:14)
6.Why did Jesus teach about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? There is a sin for which there is no forgiveness but if the non-elect can never be forgiven anyway what is the point?
7.What is the explanation for the evil and suffering that men experience in this life? Is suffering not the instrument that draws men toward God? Did he not say, �Take up your cross?� But if you are of the non-elect, for what purpose do you suffer? Does God delight in torture?
8.Historically, the Calvinist view seemed to have its roots in Augustine approximately 380 A.D. Are there any church fathers before Augustine who taught the tenets of Calvinism? Did Jesus teach Calvinism to his disciples? The words of Jesus are capsulated in John 3:16 �For God so loved the world (not just the elect)that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever (not just the elect) believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.� It is blatantly obvious that Jesus is not willing that anyone should perish. Jesus never taught election.
9.Is it possible that God predestines us for salvation based on his foreknowledge? He knows who will and who will not commit to become Christ followers? Therefore, he arranges for the �elect� certain circumstances conducive to their own salvation. He knows that given the right opportunities these �elect� will make a decision for Christ. (Molinism)
10.If men are deprived of free will to accept Christ (hyper-Calvinism) then why are they granted free will to reject him? Why does God, in his goodness and love, not predestine all men to eternal salvation rather than just some men?
James Arminius did not oppose Calvinism to defend the free will of man, he opposed Calvinism to defend the love and goodness of a holy God.
10 questions that have neve and sstill wont be answerd, and I am not asking for an anwer cause there isnt one that will answer them without some twisting slide of hand , this is just an articel I didnt wright it, I am not opening myself up for anymore attacks, in fact I am going to wai one more time, the next time I am called a name by anyone such as liar or hipocit, I am going to delete my profile and move on, nobody on here has that right to call anyone else on here ugly names for any reason especialy liar! thats about the most offenisve thing I can think of to be called, o if anyone onhere is ready for me to go, go aheasd and take you best shot, I am sick of this forum anyway its aout nothing more than those who want to prove htey are right and prevoke an argument with someone else no matter what the cost! I am over it! so this may very well be my last post, ad if its not the one where someone calls me names offends me hurts my felings or makes personal attacks against me or where I see someone else attacek ten I am out, cause its just not gonna stop and I am weary of it
Posted : 1 Mar, 2012 11:08 PM
You called me names. You did not have to start another thread for attention. You said in the other thread that the debate was not worth it, then you start another thread. People can see your posts in the other thread where you called me names and stated that this topic is stupid and shouldn't be discussed anymore.
10 questions that have neve and sstill wont be answerd, and I am not asking for an anwer cause there isnt one that will answer them without some twisting slide of hand , this is just an articel I didnt wright it, I am not opening myself up for anymore attacks, in fact I am going to wai one more time, the next time I am called a name by anyone such as liar or hipocit, I am going to delete my profile and move on, nobody on here has that right to call anyone else on here ugly names for any reason especialy liar! thats about the most offenisve thing I can think of to be called, o if anyone onhere is ready for me to go, go aheasd and take you best shot, I am sick of this forum anyway its aout nothing more than those who want to prove htey are right and prevoke an argument with someone else no matter what the cost! I am over it! so this may very well be my last post, ad if its not the one where someone calls me names offends me hurts my felings or makes personal attacks against me or where I see someone else attacek ten I am out, cause its just not gonna stop and I am weary of it
Posted : 1 Mar, 2012 11:19 PM
WHERE DID I CALL YOU ANY NAMES. WHATEVER !! I dont want attenion in fact goodbye I dont need this
PJ, JUDE ,SAL and everyone else i Love yall I wil be praying for yall and alwasy thinkig of you, this kid is too much for me, he pushes me to the place where I dont think I can control my tounge i am no longer looking for a realtionship anyway and I dont have any reason to continue waisting time arguing with no avail!
OH yeah and George LOVE YOU TOO BUDDY!!
sorry to say goodbye in the middle of the noight like this, I honestly have tears in my eyes like I amsaying goodbye to an old friend I will miss talkingto you all, and especialy miss the continuals encourgaments I get from yall especialy sal (agopeton) he is so encouraging
ytou guys keep encourgaing each other inthe faith
I have so many things going on anyway and have been praying about this forum sopecificaly as it really takes up a lot of my time
and caing called stupid on top of it all was just confirmation that I need to move of,
holdingouit dont bother repsoning i wont be back to read it anyway
I am sure you will just for the benifit of everyone else which is why you have said everything you have said yu make hat clear that its fot the ones reading so go ahead blast me I dont care
I hope you are happy you got rid of me, and just like you think you won on the other post you will think you won on this one, I couldnt care less , if you win think you won, its not about winning to me
10 questions that have neve and sstill wont be answerd, and I am not asking for an anwer cause there isnt one that will answer them without some twisting slide of hand , this is just an articel I didnt wright it, I am not opening myself up for anymore attacks, in fact I am going to wai one more time, the next time I am called a name by anyone such as liar or hipocit, I am going to delete my profile and move on, nobody on here has that right to call anyone else on here ugly names for any reason especialy liar! thats about the most offenisve thing I can think of to be called, o if anyone onhere is ready for me to go, go aheasd and take you best shot, I am sick of this forum anyway its aout nothing more than those who want to prove htey are right and prevoke an argument with someone else no matter what the cost! I am over it! so this may very well be my last post, ad if its not the one where someone calls me names offends me hurts my felings or makes personal attacks against me or where I see someone else attacek ten I am out, cause its just not gonna stop and I am weary of it
Posted : 1 Mar, 2012 11:24 PM
OH GOSH< AND DONNA< I LOVE YOU TOO SO MUCH MY SISTER
10 questions that have neve and sstill wont be answerd, and I am not asking for an anwer cause there isnt one that will answer them without some twisting slide of hand , this is just an articel I didnt wright it, I am not opening myself up for anymore attacks, in fact I am going to wai one more time, the next time I am called a name by anyone such as liar or hipocit, I am going to delete my profile and move on, nobody on here has that right to call anyone else on here ugly names for any reason especialy liar! thats about the most offenisve thing I can think of to be called, o if anyone onhere is ready for me to go, go aheasd and take you best shot, I am sick of this forum anyway its aout nothing more than those who want to prove htey are right and prevoke an argument with someone else no matter what the cost! I am over it! so this may very well be my last post, ad if its not the one where someone calls me names offends me hurts my felings or makes personal attacks against me or where I see someone else attacek ten I am out, cause its just not gonna stop and I am weary of it
Posted : 1 Mar, 2012 11:30 PM
You called me arrogant, know it all and others. I'm not really sure how you deny this. Unless you can somehow delete the thread, what you have written is still there.
10 questions that have neve and sstill wont be answerd, and I am not asking for an anwer cause there isnt one that will answer them without some twisting slide of hand , this is just an articel I didnt wright it, I am not opening myself up for anymore attacks, in fact I am going to wai one more time, the next time I am called a name by anyone such as liar or hipocit, I am going to delete my profile and move on, nobody on here has that right to call anyone else on here ugly names for any reason especialy liar! thats about the most offenisve thing I can think of to be called, o if anyone onhere is ready for me to go, go aheasd and take you best shot, I am sick of this forum anyway its aout nothing more than those who want to prove htey are right and prevoke an argument with someone else no matter what the cost! I am over it! so this may very well be my last post, ad if its not the one where someone calls me names offends me hurts my felings or makes personal attacks against me or where I see someone else attacek ten I am out, cause its just not gonna stop and I am weary of it
Posted : 2 Mar, 2012 12:08 AM
I am not privy to what has gone on before with you and anyone else on this website and I am not certain as to what you are asking for with this question. I am not even sure if you are agreeing with Calvin or if you are disagreeing?
But�here is what I Believe as it pertains to T.U.L.I.P:
2 Peter 3:9
New International Version (NIV)
9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
��not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.�
That sure sounds like God wants �EVERYONE� to come to Repentance and to be Saved. You�ll really have to do some somersaults and some really fancy spinning to make that verse mean something else!
I�ve given my thoughts on �The Elect� in a prior post so I won�t go into a lot of depth. Simply�God chose or �elected� because God knew beforehand (Foreknowledge) just who would or would not Believe in God. God will never �Force� anyone to be Saved. Salvation is a gift. God can offer it to anyone God Chooses to. If a 5 year old finds itself on a deserted island and somehow manages to survive�even though he may never hear about Jesus Christ�if God so chooses to Save that child�that is God�s Prerogative!
Irresistible Grace. No man can Resist God! What God wants will Occur! Resistance is Futile! (I�m a Treckie) Yet�God will never�never�ever�Force His Will on us! God Gives His Grace FREELY! If God wants you to be�say a Pastor�it Will Happen! But not in the way that this Doctrine makes it seem to occur. God will continue to place signs and obstacles�to open or close doors. To give you the Grace you need at the Time you need it. God will use whatever means available�but�God will never take away your Free Will. God will never turn you into a �Robot� mindlessly Obeying God and doing God�s Wishes.
As to Perseverance of the Saints�I disagree!
��If you experienced saving grace but returned to your old sinful ways you were not really saved in the first place.�
Wow! That means that No One is ever really Certain if they are Saved? Paul The Apostle (yes�I consider him an Apostle) wrote:
Philippians 2:12-13
New International Version (NIV)
Do Everything Without Grumbling
12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed�not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence�continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.
��continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,��
The Key word here is CONTINUE! Salvation is an Ongoing Work! It is something that you have to do on a Daily basis! Evey morning when you wake up and get out of bed�you need to Grab That Cross and Carry it with you the rest of your day. Whatever it is that is keeping you from become that Image of Christ�that is Your Cross! You need to be working on that �Thing� until it is no longer part of your BEING! Ask God for Grace to help you and God will give it to you�but Salvation is something that you can Lose! It is a Free Gift that you can Refuse!
My Brothers and Sisters�the dark one is a LIAR! Yes�Salvation is Freely Given (Hallelujah!...Prasie you Lord!)�but it can be Lost! As Paul wrote�Run the Race�with Fear and Trembling�but if you Believe in God and DO HIS WILL�you will Persevere!
Calvin was So Wrong and his False Gospel has hurt so many people.
10 questions that have neve and sstill wont be answerd, and I am not asking for an anwer cause there isnt one that will answer them without some twisting slide of hand , this is just an articel I didnt wright it, I am not opening myself up for anymore attacks, in fact I am going to wai one more time, the next time I am called a name by anyone such as liar or hipocit, I am going to delete my profile and move on, nobody on here has that right to call anyone else on here ugly names for any reason especialy liar! thats about the most offenisve thing I can think of to be called, o if anyone onhere is ready for me to go, go aheasd and take you best shot, I am sick of this forum anyway its aout nothing more than those who want to prove htey are right and prevoke an argument with someone else no matter what the cost! I am over it! so this may very well be my last post, ad if its not the one where someone calls me names offends me hurts my felings or makes personal attacks against me or where I see someone else attacek ten I am out, cause its just not gonna stop and I am weary of it
10 questions that have neve and sstill wont be answerd, and I am not asking for an anwer cause there isnt one that will answer them without some twisting slide of hand , this is just an articel I didnt wright it, I am not opening myself up for anymore attacks, in fact I am going to wai one more time, the next time I am called a name by anyone such as liar or hipocit, I am going to delete my profile and move on, nobody on here has that right to call anyone else on here ugly names for any reason especialy liar! thats about the most offenisve thing I can think of to be called, o if anyone onhere is ready for me to go, go aheasd and take you best shot, I am sick of this forum anyway its aout nothing more than those who want to prove htey are right and prevoke an argument with someone else no matter what the cost! I am over it! so this may very well be my last post, ad if its not the one where someone calls me names offends me hurts my felings or makes personal attacks against me or where I see someone else attacek ten I am out, cause its just not gonna stop and I am weary of it
Posted : 2 Mar, 2012 06:38 AM
Just so I understand, you are upset by this correct?...."I am sick of this forum anyway its aout nothing more than those who want to prove htey are right and prevoke an argument with someone else no matter what the cost!" Wasn't this very thread and your last one an attempt to provoke and attack the reformed belief? Were those not efforts to prove you were right? If you say no, let me quote you..."I am not asking for an anwer cause there isnt one that will answer them without some twisting slide of hand". You assume you are right and that your article needs no defense. You assume that nobody can give answers to your questions so you tell them not to even try. This my friend is trying to be "right". If you truly did not care about being right, you would have dropped the issue a long time ago.
"the next time I am called a name by anyone such as liar or hipocit, I am going to delete my profile and move on, nobody on here has that right to call anyone else on here ugly names for any reason especialy liar!"
Now let's examine this. In the other thread, I did indeed say you lied and were being hypocritical. That's because you did and were. I even broke it down for you to show you how it was so. You intentionally took a quote from my link and posted it to say that it was a reformed defense of the election, when you knew this was not the case. Did I say all you were is a liar? No, but you did lie in that instance. When I pointed out the lie, you continued to defend it. I said you were being hypocritical and explained that too. When I said I was right in the thread you called me names and said I was a know it all and that I claimed to know everything. However you have ZERO problem claiming yourself to be right. You couldn't argue from the scriptures alone so you resorted to personal attacks against me. You even have suggested multiple times that I called you stupid which never happened and I challenge you to find the quote where I called you stupid. Now onto the name calling and personal attacks to see if you are squeaky clean here...You have said these things to me...."how smugg you all are withyour false humility!"..."Its lazyness and its ludacris"...."just like evrything else yall like to make up the rules as you go"...." i would doubt very seriously that you you know what I know"..."you think you know so much"..."its your smugg attitude and your asumption that you know everything"..."nobody ever likes aknow it all", mind you I never claimed to know it all. I simply claimed to be right on the issue at hand which was the meaning of Romans 8:28...continuing.."I am not so proud "...."if you would use your reasoing skillis".."the entire statement you made regaurding that was orideful acusitory and boasting about how much greater you are and how your salvation os right and I am worng I can almost here the school yard na na na na in your voice , so back off"..."but you think you know alot."..."I am tired I have to work for a lving"..I work for a living as well :)..continuing..."bot one lsat thing you should think about young man, youare aweful proud of how right you are and very proud about how you have learned the right doctrine and I am so wrong??"...yes I deserved this attack simply because I said you were wrong on this issue...continuing.."you will do well to watch wat you say about me, as pj has said many many times you dont touch God anoited! and yu dont have the first clue what I havebeen anoited to do"...not sure whether that was a threat or what exactly...continuing.."you are nearly a child in my eyes"..."its really hard when you act like na na na I am saved and your not!"...I added this quote because it's a complete misrepresentation of what my posts in the thread. Never did I brag that I was saved and you were not. Never did I even hint that I didn't believe you to be saved....continuing..."which I already know yuo cant do that forcing people to believe hwt ayou do is the way of john calvin!"...Who is claiming to be a know it all?...okay so these quotes were just from one thread...
Examining your real belief about whether the subject is a stupid one or not.
You said, "am so out of time for this stupid argument, it doesnt matter"...However you were the one that started the topic. You were the one that started this topic as well. If it doesn't matter, then why all of the drama and attention seeking and misrepresentation in this thread? Another quote by you, "as I have said before its useless as every aspec of it and every possible debate about this subject has been had 100 times over"...in the same thread YOU started. So you can post a topic to attack another side, yet that side cannot defend itself? If you say my interpretation is false then I will quote you from the title of this thread..."10 questions that have neve and sstill wont be answerd, and I am not asking for an anwer cause there isnt one that will answer them without some twisting slide of hand"...You see you don't even want to have an honest discussion. Truth does not seem to be what you had in mind by posting this...This next quote likely sums up why you started this latest thread and why it was so full of error..."I now have very ill feelings towards"... you don't say? It's is pretty clear to me. The subject, you do not consider to be stupid. You just consider it stupid for someone to challenge you and ask for a defense of your side.
"and caing called stupid on top of it all was just confirmation that I need to move of,"...Are you claiming you were called stupid? Choose your words carefully..
"I am sure you will just for the benifit of everyone else which is why you have said everything you have said yu make hat clear that its fot the ones reading so go ahead blast me I dont care"
It's as if you know everything wrong about what you posted and are trying to warn the others that I will be coming with a defense. The problem is, your own quotes win out on this one so I've just let them speak against you. You may have thought I would not dig them up and you could just make me look bad to everyone else in the thread. That's just dishonesty.
"I hope you are happy you got rid of me"
Look at this public display of trying to make everyone think I am the one that got rid of you and that it was something that made me happy. Interesting enough, your title says, "I am sick of this forum anyway". Stop trying to guilt others and own up to your own mistakes. As I stated in the other thread, if I am wrong I want people to correct my mistakes. You have shown yourself wholly unable to be corrected.
"if you win think you won, its not about winning to me"
10 questions that have neve and sstill wont be answerd, and I am not asking for an anwer cause there isnt one that will answer them without some twisting slide of hand , this is just an articel I didnt wright it, I am not opening myself up for anymore attacks, in fact I am going to wai one more time, the next time I am called a name by anyone such as liar or hipocit, I am going to delete my profile and move on, nobody on here has that right to call anyone else on here ugly names for any reason especialy liar! thats about the most offenisve thing I can think of to be called, o if anyone onhere is ready for me to go, go aheasd and take you best shot, I am sick of this forum anyway its aout nothing more than those who want to prove htey are right and prevoke an argument with someone else no matter what the cost! I am over it! so this may very well be my last post, ad if its not the one where someone calls me names offends me hurts my felings or makes personal attacks against me or where I see someone else attacek ten I am out, cause its just not gonna stop and I am weary of it
Posted : 2 Mar, 2012 07:32 AM
As for the questions, that have "never" been answered. These questions have been answered many times...
1. We witness because we are commanded to. The writer of the article states he agrees with total depravity. That's the worst thing he could have said here. He admits ". I believe strongly that the heart of man is totally depraved and cannot in and of itself respond to the call of God."..So he has to answer to question number one just like I do. Not a big deal, the answer is easy.
2. The children of God in scripture at the believers...God's love is perfect because it's His love, not because it meets any standards man places on it as if to say, "God must do this". Sorry that is taking away God's sovereignty and beyond that, not biblical.
3. That is nothing more than Paul and Barnabas witnessing. Acts 14 never states that they said anything about Jesus dying to save everyone.
4. I'm not sure why this is a problem. Paul answers this very question. In fact it's very deadly to the arminian belief...19 You will say to me then, �Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?� 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, �Why have you made me like this?� 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory� 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? Romans 9:19-24...It's the same exact question...It's already been answered. Why are you still asking how God can find fault when He has settle the issue clearly in scripture?
5. "In the American system all men are declared deserving of a fair trial. Is God fair and just when he unconditionally chooses some for heaven and some for hell?"...This quote is interesting given the fact that he claims to agree with total depravity. What he is forgetting is that men have had their trial. God has already judged that all men deserve hell. So whenever anyone is saved it's an act of extreme love and grace. I'm really surprised by these simplistic questions.
6. Blasphemy is attributing the work of God to the devil. Ironically we were all blasphemers. We were all unbelieving. However this blasphemy is more specific. I have an article to help you out on this one.
"The concept of �blasphemy against the Spirit� is mentioned in Mark 3:22-30 and Matthew 12:22-32. The term blasphemy may be generally defined as �defiant irreverence.� The term can be applied to such sins as cursing God or willfully degrading things relating to God. It is also attributing some evil to God, or denying Him some good that we should attribute to Him. This case of blasphemy, however, is a specific one, called �the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit� in Matthew 12:31. In Matthew 12:31-32, the Pharisees, having witnessed irrefutable proof that Jesus was working miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit, claimed instead that the Lord was possessed by the demon �Beelzebub� (Matthew 12:24). Now notice that in Mark 3:30 Jesus is very specific about what they did to commit �blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.�
This blasphemy has to do with someone accusing Jesus Christ of being demon-possessed instead of Spirit-filled. As a result, this particular incidence of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit cannot be duplicated today. Jesus Christ is not on earth�He is seated at the right hand of God. No one can witness Jesus Christ performing a miracle and then attribute that power to Satan instead of the Spirit. The closest example today would be attributing the miracle of a redeemed person�s changed life to Satan�s power rather than to the effects of the indwelling Holy Spirit.
The blasphemy of the Spirit today, which is the same as the unpardonable sin, is the state of continued unbelief. There is no pardon for a person who dies in unbelief. Continual rejection of the Holy Spirit�s promptings to trust in Jesus Christ is the unpardonable blasphemy against Him. Remember what is stated in John 3:16: �For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.� Further on in the same chapter is the verse �Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him� (John 3:36). The only condition wherein someone would have no forgiveness is if he is not among the �whoever believes in Him,� for it is he who �rejects the Son.�... http://www.gotquestions.org/Printer/blasphemy-Spirit-PF.html
7. His mistake is in that he only attributes suffering in this life to working towards salvation. However clearly suffering is in many more aspects of life. If he believes this to be evil then it's a problem for his belief system as well. I choose to believe God is sovereign and that he has a purpose for suffering. You may call that torture and evil, but Paul says this, "I am acting with great boldness toward you; I have great pride in you; I am filled with comfort. In all our affliction, I am overflowing with joy."
8. A silly argument and a misunderstanding of John 3:16...Calvinists believe "calvinism" is taught in the scriptures and can give scripture for it. I don't understand this argument at all.
9. No it's not possible, because that's not what the scriptures teach. Now we are just getting into theory. Furthermore, it's ridiculous to say that the predestination is not the cause of something and to say that a future act is what causes the predestination. That's a complete distortion of what it means to be predestined. You are now saying that the predestination was predestined. That makes no sense.
10. "If men are deprived of free will to accept Christ (hyper-Calvinism)" Stop right here. The man shows a completely misunderstanding of what hyper-calvinism is. This should help you as to what it is...http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/articles/hypercal.htm. "then why are they granted free will to reject him?" Calvinism doesn't reject that man has free will. It believes that man's will, will never goes against his nature...which is a totally depraved sinner...something the author agrees with. "Why does God, in his goodness and love, not predestine all men to eternal salvation rather than just some men?".... 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, �Why have you made me like this?�Romans 9:20
So what we have seen from the author is an appeal to emotion and what he believes God should be. He did nothing to show his proofs from scripture. He just stated that he doesn't like the God that Calvinism teaches.
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Posted : 2 Mar, 2012 08:17 AM
Archimedes I'll attempt to address your points here...
2 Peter 3:9 cannot just be taken out of the greater context here. We have to answer who the "all" is referring to. All of whom?
First of all 2 Peter 3 is addressed to the beloved or the believers...This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved 2 Peter 3:1. This is not paul evangelizing here. He is writing to believers. In the context it is clear when he is referring to believers and when he is not by the usage of "you". 2that "you" should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles(3:2)...verse 4 referring to the scoffers(not the beloved) in verse 3 says, "they will say"...verse 5 says "they deliberately overlook"...verse 9, "patient towards "you" not wishing that any should perish but that all come to repentance". He makes no effort to include the they in verse 9. The promise is for the "you". It has nothing to do with the broadness of the atonement. It is speaking of the timing of Christ's return.
Here are a couple videos for you giving a better explanation...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A5A8XBRVbw&feature=player_embedded....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzzqHXgR75k&feature=player_embedded
"God chose or �elected� because God knew beforehand (Foreknowledge) just who would or would not Believe in God. God will never �Force� anyone to be Saved. Salvation is a gift. God can offer it to anyone God Chooses to"
The problem is the verse doesn't say that He elected them because He foreknew. He says He foreknew them, not some action they would take. I've gone in depth on this issue in another thread, likely on page two or three now, but maybe not. If God can offer it to anyone He chooses then does it not also follow that He can NOT offer it to anyone he chooses?
"Irresistible Grace. No man can Resist God! What God wants will Occur! Resistance is Futile! (I�m a Treckie) Yet�God will never�never�ever�Force His Will on us! God Gives His Grace FREELY! If God wants you to be�say a Pastor�it Will Happen! But not in the way that this Doctrine makes it seem to occur. God will continue to place signs and obstacles�to open or close doors. To give you the Grace you need at the Time you need it. God will use whatever means available�but�God will never take away your Free Will. God will never turn you into a �Robot� mindlessly Obeying God and doing God�s Wishes."
It's not a robot who mindlessly obeys. It is a person who has been given a new heart. In this quote you are speaking about what you believe to be true, but not giving any verses that show this. For those who he predestined, he called, those who he called, he justified, those who he justified he sanctified. Everyone who He calls is justified, without exception. That is iresistable grace.
""Wow! That means that No One is ever really Certain if they are Saved? Paul The Apostle (yes�I consider him an Apostle) wrote:"
No it only means we can be sure that those who turn away never were saved. That does not mean we cannot know we are saved. However your belief that you must work for your salvation does indeed mean we cannot know we are saved. How much work is enough? We never know, you see.
4 What then shall we say was gained by[a] Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? �Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.� 4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in[b] him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: Romans 4:1-6
13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose. Philippians 2:13...It is the Lord working in you to fulfill those acts and this is perfectly in line with Romans where it says all who were called, were justified...sanctified...glorified...You believe that not all who are called will be justified and end the end glorified because they have to work for their salvation. Well scripture teaches they ALL will be glorified in the end.
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. John 10:29...they will be saved
10 questions that have neve and sstill wont be answerd, and I am not asking for an anwer cause there isnt one that will answer them without some twisting slide of hand , this is just an articel I didnt wright it, I am not opening myself up for anymore attacks, in fact I am going to wai one more time, the next time I am called a name by anyone such as liar or hipocit, I am going to delete my profile and move on, nobody on here has that right to call anyone else on here ugly names for any reason especialy liar! thats about the most offenisve thing I can think of to be called, o if anyone onhere is ready for me to go, go aheasd and take you best shot, I am sick of this forum anyway its aout nothing more than those who want to prove htey are right and prevoke an argument with someone else no matter what the cost! I am over it! so this may very well be my last post, ad if its not the one where someone calls me names offends me hurts my felings or makes personal attacks against me or where I see someone else attacek ten I am out, cause its just not gonna stop and I am weary of it
