The Dialectic of Transformational Marxism Leads To Disagreement On Scripture

Posted : 3 May, 2012 06:04 PM

The Dialectic of Transformational Marxism Leads To Disagreement On Scripture



I'm glad to see new people posting on this forum.



On another, larger forum a guy said: "ALways value your opinion (even if we do not agree)"



The arguments were over whether America is in Bible prophecy is a good example of the work of the Transformational Marxist dialectic in the dialectic church.



The dialectic is a part of the falling away of II Thessalonians 2: 3-4. It is one big cause of all the disagreement over scripture and Bible prophecy.



Transformational Marxism does not necessarily teach socialism in America, for the ruling elite are the financial elite, who are all for the huge banks and huge international corporations; this is not exactly Marxist socialism; its more like fascism. But any system which corrupts Christianity and the family can be used to gain more power by any ruling elite.



What Transformational Marxism does is replace God's authority with the authority of the dialectic. "It is written" (Matthew 4: 4) is replaced by "what do you think?" What is your opinion?" "Share your opinion of scripture." Get into groups and dialogue."



Dialogue leads into the dialectic which destroys the authority of Scripture, even though scripture is still discussed within the dialectic process.



A good audio on what the dialectic is can be found here:



http://home1.gte.net/web23vhn/Small-...l--C---MP3.MP3



This audio repeats parts of what a facilitator of the dialectic says to a group of apparently Christians in a Bible study, but most of the audio is Dean Gotcher explaining what the dialectic process is as compared to the authority of God, "it is written."



At one point Dean Gotcher says that now in the Christian churches it is like the time right before the Flood of Noah. Gotcher then says God does not speak into the pre-flood dialectic mind.



Is there any authority in scripture for this statement by Gotcher? Or is he just speculating? Does Bible prophecy ever say that in the very end times will be like those before the Flood of Noah?



"And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

27. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

28. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

29. But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

31. In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

32. Remember Lot's wife.

33. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

34. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

35. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

36. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

37. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. " Luke 17: 26-37



"Noe" is Noah.



Christian Zionism, dispensatinalism, or postponement theology, would say verses 34 to 37 describe the pre-tribulation rapture of the dispensationalist church. But look at verse 37 more closely. Christ says wherever the corpse (from the same prophecy in Matthew 24: 28) is there shall the vultures (eagle like birds) will be gathered. Its talking about some event in the very end times which is going to kill a lot of people.

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