Author	Thread: The T in T.U.L.I.P.
KindHeartedWoman8 View Profile History	The T in T.U.L.I.P. Posted : 8 Jun, 2012 08:30 PM T = TOTAL INABILITY (Called in Calvinism, Total Depravity, but actually taught as the Total Inability of man to choose Truth. The Calvinist plays many such word games. The Word of God teaches that God created man with the ability to reason, choose, and receive Truth.): Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." Romans 10:17: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God." James 1:21: "Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and RECEIVE with meekness the engrafted Word, which is able to save your souls." Isaiah1:18: "Come now, and let us REASON together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool." Deuteronomy 30:19: "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE LIFE, that both thou and thy seed may live." Joshua 24:15: "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, CHOOSE you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." Psalm 119:30, 111, 173: "I have CHOSEN The Way of Truth: Thy Judgments have I laid before me....Thy Testimonies have I taken as an heritage for ever: for They are the rejoicing of my heart....Let Thine hand help me; for I have chosen Thy Precepts." John 1:12: "But as many as RECEIVED him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name." 2 Timothy 1:12: "...I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have COMMITTED unto him against that day." Post Reply
View Profile History	The T in T.U.L.I.P. Posted : 8 Jun, 2012 08:46 PM "Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." Messed up ini your very first verse. Please read it and kindly tell me WHO is come from. I've told you time and time again, Olson is not a valuable resource in this debate. Post Reply
View Profile History	The T in T.U.L.I.P. Posted : 8 Jun, 2012 09:27 PM WHO it* comes* from Post Reply
View Profile History	The T in T.U.L.I.P. Posted : 8 Jun, 2012 11:18 PM View Profile History The T in T.U.L.I.P. Posted : Posted : 8 Jun, 2012 08:46 PM "Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." Messed up ini your very first verse. Please read it and kindly tell me WHO is come from. I've told you time and time again, Olson is not a valuable resource in this debate. WHO it* comes* from There is no messing up in believing the word of God no more than it is acceptable to treat the word of God as thought it was of man's interpretation or manipulation.. Conclusion thru out scripture bible faith is man's action in accordance with scripture, all scripture is full of faith, if man will hear it and then believe it and act accordingly the god of faith call's that man's faith. Jesus said very clearly whoever believes upon him shall have eternal life, and believer's know man always had the ability to believe the word of God, just as jesus taught while he was on the earth. The tactic of trying to place blame upon the poster does not nor ever will set well with the father. Post Reply
View Profile History	The T in T.U.L.I.P. Posted : 8 Jun, 2012 11:50 PM Stop placing blame PJ...You run every discussion thread... Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	The T in T.U.L.I.P. Posted : 9 Jun, 2012 03:25 AM Because of the fall, man is unable of himself to savingly believe the gospel. The sinner is dead, blind, and deaf to the things of God; his heart is deceitful and desperately corrupt. His will is not free, it is in bondage to his evil nature; therefore, he will not--indeed he cannot--choose good over evil in the spiritual realm. Consequently, it takes much more than the Spirit's assistance to bring a sinner to Christ--it takes regeneration by which the Spirit makes the sinner alive and gives him a new nature. Faith is not something man contributes to salvation but is itself a part of God's gift of salvation--it is God's gift to the sinner, not the sinner's gift to God. (Genesis 2:15-17, Romans 5:12, Psalm 51:5, 1 Corinthians 2:14, Romans 3:10-18, Jeremiah 17:9 John 6:44, Ephesians 2:1-10) : Genesis 2:15-17 Then the LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. (16) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; (17) "but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Psalms 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Romans 3:10-18 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: (11) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. (12) They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. (13) Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: (14) Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: (15) Their feet are swift to shed blood: (16) Destruction and misery are in their ways: (17) And the way of peace have they not known: (18) There is no fear of God before their eyes. Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Ephesians 2:1-10 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; (2) Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: (3) Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. (4) But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, (5) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) (6) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: (7) That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. (8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (9) Not of works, lest any man should boast. (10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Post Reply
View Profile History	The T in T.U.L.I.P. Posted : 9 Jun, 2012 12:37 PM ruin* Post Reply
View Profile History	The T in T.U.L.I.P. Posted : 9 Jun, 2012 12:42 PM I'm curious as to which of these verses you think refute Total depravity? Post Reply
KindHeartedWoman8 View Profile History	The T in T.U.L.I.P. Posted : 9 Jun, 2012 12:46 PM d_ I really dont get what your trying to say here? Im talking about the Total Inability to choose Post Reply
View Profile History	The T in T.U.L.I.P. Posted : 9 Jun, 2012 01:18 PM So you aren't attempting to refute Total Depravity? Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	The T in T.U.L.I.P. Posted : 9 Jun, 2012 02:03 PM I do not know anything about unregenerate, unbelieving dead in your sin unbelievers trying to choose anything. God says i love him because he first loved me and gave his only begotten son for me and for that i am to serve him daily out of thankfulness for such a great redemption. Not because i choose anything, but because God called me to repentance of my misery. Post Reply

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