Author	Thread: Obedience or Legalism
dljrn04 View Profile History	Obedience or Legalism Posted : 17 Jul, 2012 06:23 AM ‎"We are not Legalists when we keep the Law, because we do not look to the Law for life. Rather the Law shows us we have true life in our hearts. We keep the Law to be obedient to Christ and show Him how much we love Him for rescuing us from the damning influences of trying to keep the Law to gain eternal life. Obedience is a far cry from Legalism." - C. Matthew McMahon Post Reply
View Profile History	Obedience or Legalism Posted : 17 Jul, 2012 12:12 PM Amen! There are many unwise and unlearned folks in Christian circles today who like to charge everyone that keeps the commandments with "legalism". If this were true, Jesus himself would have been the best example of a "legalist" that ever walked the face of the earth. I am in the middle of writing an extensive article on this topic. If there is sufficient interest, perhaps I will post it here when I am finished. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Obedience or Legalism Posted : 17 Jul, 2012 12:28 PM good point Bob, i would like to read your article please. Post Reply
Maniacs1 View Profile History	Obedience or Legalism Posted : 17 Jul, 2012 05:58 PM i agree with this, akthough i just wanted to point out, i think that the reason that some people meld obedience with legalism i because of 2 or 3 possible reasons 1. they dont want to be told that what they are doing is wrong (i.e be "saved" but still live their life like nothing has happened/changed) or 2. in some cases the line between obediance and legalism has been blurred so bad that they dont know the difference or 3 both of the above i mean yes, Jesus and paul both state that the law does not save and all that, but Jesus also stated that He did not come to get rid of the law but to fullfill and that nothing from it shall be taken away or added too it. p.s i just thought of this, but dont know where to add it so ill put it here, in Jesus time it was legalism that He contended with, the bible talks about His second coming being during a time of lawlessness, just an interesting thought p.s.s oh and alot of this is also because the "world" has so ingrained itself into the church, alot of christians nowadays dont even truely view the bible as the true word of God, more as something to pick and choose from. Post Reply
View Profile History	Obedience or Legalism Posted : 17 Jul, 2012 07:35 PM Maniacs1 - All good thoughts -thank you. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	Obedience or Legalism Posted : 17 Jul, 2012 07:45 PM Obedience is following the law Legalism is holding people to standards above the Biblical law. Adding your own interpretation or extending the intent of the law. Allowing no room for growth of new Christians to make the changes in their personal lives as they learn and grow in their faith. Post Reply
View Profile History	Obedience or Legalism Posted : 17 Jul, 2012 08:34 PM Teach, I am glad to see that your position has changed and matured since this issue was last discussed. I hope that you continue to grow in understanding on this topic. Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	Obedience or Legalism Posted : 18 Jul, 2012 07:45 PM Bob, My position has not changed. �There is a difference between obedience and legalism as I pointed out in my post. I obeyed my parents because I wanted to please them and avoid punishment. �I obey my Heavenly Father because I want to please Him and avoid punishment. If I disobeyed my parents, they did not stop being my parents. �If I disobey my Heavenly Father, He does not stop being mt Heavenly Father. That is obedience. Original post: "‎"We are not Legalists when we keep the Law, because we do not look to the Law for life. Rather the Law shows us we have true life in our hearts. We keep the Law to be obedient to Christ and show Him how much we love Him for rescuing us from the damning influences of trying to keep the Law to gain eternal life. Obedience is a far cry from Legalism." - C. Matthew McMahon" The reference to being a legalist is out of place or incomplete in this paragraph. Legalism -strict, literal, or obsessive conformity to the law or moral/religious code." is from Merriam-Webster dictionary. The law shows that we are sinners...grace shows we have eternal life.� As I posted: 'Legalism is holding people to standards above the Biblical law. Adding your own interpretation or extending the intent of the law. Allowing no room for growth of new Christians to make the changes in their personal lives as they learn and grow in their faith.' Post Reply
View Profile History	Obedience or Legalism Posted : 19 Jul, 2012 03:16 AM Teach, When it suited you, you unrepentantly applied a false and secular definition of legalism in order to attack other believers here for their obedience in adhering to the law. This was pointed out to you and you stood by your attacks. Now, you come into this thread and offer agreement with a totally different meaning of legalism. If you haven't changed your position (whatever that is today), I accept that. I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt that you had grown since the last exchange over this topic. If you have not grown - then o.k. God's grace to you in either case - Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	Obedience or Legalism Posted : 19 Jul, 2012 03:25 AM Bob, I applied the same definition as I did before. I copied my definition from the previous thread. I have grown...I do that every day....my beliefs can't be shaken. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Obedience or Legalism Posted : 19 Jul, 2012 11:47 AM I see my service to my heavenly Father out of thankfulness for such a great redemption. Post Reply

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