Thread: One cannot believe in Jesus/Yahusha [the New Covenant] unless they believe in G-d [Elohim and the Torah of Old Covenant].
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One cannot believe in Jesus/Yahusha [the New Covenant] unless they believe in G-d [Elohim and the Torah of Old Covenant].
Posted : 22 Aug, 2012 01:11 AM
"Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in G-d [Elohim of 'the Old Covenant')], believe also in me [The Messiah and New Covenant of Israel]." [Yohanan/John 14:1]
There are a lot of false teachings running around under the guise of Torah [Word].
First of all, the Torah [the Word comprised of both the New as well as the Old Testament] is very clear, that the New Testament cannot be obeyed, nor believed upon, unless one is enabled to by the Father.
In fact, if you are not obeying the Torah fully, meaning both Covenants, you are not obeying it at all..
"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." [Mattityahu/Matthew 4:4]
What Jesus/Yahusha is referring to by this comment, is that "one may not think to believe upon the New Testament and not the Old":
"Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed." [Ma'asey/Acts 3:25]
These passages and many others prove that Christian doctrines, as well as Judaic, are not biblical. There is no basis for Judaism to exist, apart from the New Covenant, as there is no basis for Christianity to exist, apart from the Old Covenant.
Just as it takes comprehending the proportion known as UP to comprehend the proportion known as DOWN, so it requires having been YOUNG to comprehend what getting OLD means. You cannot comprehend the New Covenant without comprehending the Old Covenant.
Jesus/Yahusha is the Bread of Life, and the basis of all doctrines in the New Testament, but this cannot be comprehended, nor obeyed, without comprehending and obeying the Old Covenant, first.
This is why Jesus/Yahusha said, "MAN DOES NOT LIVE BY MY TEACHINGS ALONE [Bread Alone], BUT BY EVERY WORD WHICH PROCEEDS FROM THE MOUTH OF G-D [Elohim]":
Neither pray I for these [ha bachiyr, or "anointed ones" of the Old Covenant period] alone, but for them also [the eklektos, or "called-out ones" of the New Covenant period] which shall believe on me through their word; That they all [bachiyr and eklektos] may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. [Jesus/Yahusha, Yohanan/John 17:20]
As the Father is the basis of the Old Covenant, so the Son is the basis of the New Covenant, with neither being believed, without believing both.
This is why the Spirit of Elohim is referred to in the Old Covenant as "Ruach Ha-Kodesh" or "Spirit that is Holy", whereas in the New Covenant, He is referred to as "Holy Spirit". This is also why the Old Covenant was written and read from RIGHT to the LEFT, and the New Covenant was written to be read from LEFT to RIGHT.
You must have contrast to comprehend!
As Judaism, and the law, was lifeless apart from grace, enabling grace, so Christianity is lawless without the Old Covenant, and its writings..
One may not merely "receive the Son" without a basis of law, or G-d the Father having established the means to permit it.
Notice, please, what the scripture states of how that salvation begins with the Father, and that if one does not pass through the Father's electing grace, he/she may never come to the Son:
1) NO ONE CAN COME TO ME [Jesus/Yahusha] EXCEPT THE FATHER WHICH HATH SENT ME DRAW HIM, AND I WILL RAISE HIM UP AT THE LAST DAY" [Yohanan/John 6:44]
2) IT IS WRITTEN IN THE PROPHETS, AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF G-D [Elohim], THEREFORE, EVERY MEN THEREFORE THAT HATH HEARD [his soul called from eternity (Yirmiyahu/Jeremiah 31:3, 1:5; Romi'im/Romans 8:29-30; Yohanan/John 6:37, 39)] AND LEARNED OF THE FATHER COMETH UNTO ME.
Verse 44 of Yohanan/John 6 teaches the common error that is made when such comments are made from the "pulpits of error".
A man/woman may only come to Jesus/Yahusha, if the Father chose and predestined him/her to, which is why the Old Testament is needed to comprehend. It is the basis of salvation to all, not just the Gentiles but the Jews..
If one was not chosen and predestined, there is no means of atonement!:
"And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;" [Yohanan/John Hhazon/Revelation 5:9]
One cannot believe in Jesus/Yahusha [the New Covenant] unless they believe in G-d [Elohim and the Torah of Old Covenant].
Posted : 22 Aug, 2012 02:25 AM
Amen !!!!!
As i was reading your post this came to mind. It is one of my favorite passages.
Ezekiel 36:23 I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Sovereign LORD, when I show myself holy through you before their eyes.
24 " 'For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land.
25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols.
26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.
28 You will live in the land I gave your forefathers; you will be my people, and I will be your God.
29 I will save you from all your uncleanness. I will call for the grain and make it plentiful and will not bring famine upon you.
30 I will increase the fruit of the trees and the crops of the field, so that you will no longer suffer disgrace among the nations because of famine.
31 Then you will remember your evil ways and wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices.
32 I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign LORD.
One cannot believe in Jesus/Yahusha [the New Covenant] unless they believe in G-d [Elohim and the Torah of Old Covenant].
Posted : 22 Aug, 2012 12:18 PM
:waving:...Welcome to the forums...I appreciate your post and found it very interesting how you interpret the srcipture...I have a question...you shared ~
This is why Jesus/Yahusha said, "MAN DOES NOT LIVE BY MY TEACHINGS ALONE [Bread Alone], BUT BY EVERY WORD WHICH PROCEEDS FROM THE MOUTH OF G-D [Elohim]":
*** How did you interpret the "Bread Alone" as refering to "Teachings" ??? I do not find the word "Bread" in the Greek to refer to "Teachings"...
Jesus speaking to the devil that is tempting him...
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
*** The second half of this Scripture is MOST important...GOD's Word is always very Important...and its Important to the matter of Life or Death that we follow it...thanxs in advance for answering...xo
One cannot believe in Jesus/Yahusha [the New Covenant] unless they believe in G-d [Elohim and the Torah of Old Covenant].
Posted : 22 Aug, 2012 12:31 PM
Opps...I forgot the other verse of Scripture that Yashua Messiah~ Christ Jesus was refering to...
Deu 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every [word] that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
Be Blessed yall and hava HolySpirit Filled day...xo
One cannot believe in Jesus/Yahusha [the New Covenant] unless they believe in G-d [Elohim and the Torah of Old Covenant].
Posted : 22 Aug, 2012 01:04 PM
:waving:...thank you WBD...a most wonderful set of Scriptures...I pay close attention to this last one...:yay:
Jhn 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
However...the Bread Jesus refers to is the same Bread as in the other Scriptures I posted...they are refering to "Bread" and not "Teachings"...Maybe the OP is meaning to refer to "Meat vs Milk" ???...xo
One cannot believe in Jesus/Yahusha [the New Covenant] unless they believe in G-d [Elohim and the Torah of Old Covenant].
Posted : 22 Aug, 2012 01:40 PM
dljrn04 writes:
"Ezekiel 36:23 I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations..."
Yes, you are blessed with the anointing. It is found in your respect of the Holy Name YHUH, in the Ibri.
Note that I did not state "Hebrew", but "Ibri". The Ibri word for "the" is "ha", which when you add "ibri" to it, you get the original meaning of "Ha-Ibri" which today is called by the exonym, "Hebrew". Ha-Ibri is an endonym/autonym that Moses placed upon Abram in Bereshit/Genesis 14:13 - "Abram ha ibri" or "Abram the Ibri".
The word/term ha-ibri means "one from beyond", and was never intended to be a term associated with titles of physical nationalities, but of the Specific Spiritual Nation of "Y'isra'el Ruchani", or "The Y'isra'el Spiritual", not the physical "Israel".
"Y'isra'el" is the spiritual title, the autonym placed upon the sanctified by Abba YaHUaH (YHUH) Him Self. We have never, when made aware of this, wanted to be called by exonyms such as "Jews" or "Christians". This is why it is written that "at Antioch the disciples were first called 'Christians', because it [the title Christos] is an exonym placed upon the chosen by outsiders.
It is wonderful that you included the following scriptural promises to the bachiyr/eklektos:
24 " 'FOR I WILL take you out of the nations; I WILL gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land.
25 I WILL sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I WILL cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols.
26 I WILL GIVE YOU A NEW HEART AND PUT A NEW SPIRIT IN YOU; I WILL remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
27 And I WILL put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.
28 You will live in the land I gave your forefathers; you will be my people, and I will be your God.
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Your life is perfected my sister, with every moment arranged for you before time began. Trust the Father and lean not on your own understanding, in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will direct your path:
"For by one offering He hath perfected forever them that are sanctified". [Ha-Ibrim/Hebrews 10:14]
As His people, we are set apart to live sanctified lives as Abraham, and not be touched nor harmed by the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
A thousand [vessels of wrath] shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand, but it shall not come nigh thee". Tehillim/Psalm 91:7]
"But YaHUaH (YHUH) is my defence; and my Elohim is the rock of my refuge. And He shall bring upon them their own iniquity [for it remains their's, it has not been atoned for], and shall cut them off in their own wickedness; yea, YaHUaH (YHUH) our Elohim shall cut them off" [Tehillim/Psalm 94:23]
One cannot believe in Jesus/Yahusha [the New Covenant] unless they believe in G-d [Elohim and the Torah of Old Covenant].
Posted : 22 Aug, 2012 02:29 PM
God'sJude writes:
"and found it very interesting how you interpret the srcipture.."
"HOW YOU INTERPRET"..?
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You must think that I am wrong..?
Do you judge what I have written by the Word, or your mind and the power of your own intellect in discerning it?
First of all, "No scripture is of private interpretation", nor is man capable of interpreting the true Word of Elohim, for He speaks and His sheep listen:
"My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me, and I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish".
The sheep will never follow another's voice:
"And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers."
I will answer you on the bread and how it is doctrine:
"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.." [Yohanan/John 6:30-35]
"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. But he answered and said, IT IS NOT MEET TO TAKE THE CHILDREN'S BREAD, AND CAST IT TO DOGS. And she said, [PROVING BY HER HUMILITY, THAT SHE WAS EATING OF THE CHILDREN'S BREAD] Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour." [Mattityahu/Matthew 15:24-28]
One cannot believe in Jesus/Yahusha [the New Covenant] unless they believe in G-d [Elohim and the Torah of Old Covenant].
Posted : 22 Aug, 2012 02:30 PM
God'sJude writes:
"and found it very interesting how you interpret the srcipture.."
"HOW YOU INTERPRET"..?
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You must think that I am wrong..?
Do you judge what I have written by the Word, or your mind and the power of your own intellect in discerning it?
First of all, "No scripture is of private interpretation", nor is man capable of interpreting the true Word of Elohim, for He speaks and His sheep listen:
"My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me, and I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish".
The sheep will never follow another's voice:
"And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers."
I will answer you on the bread and how it is doctrine:
"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.." [Yohanan/John 6:30-35]
"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. But he answered and said, IT IS NOT MEET TO TAKE THE CHILDREN'S BREAD, AND CAST IT TO DOGS. And she said, [PROVING BY HER HUMILITY, THAT SHE WAS EATING OF THE CHILDREN'S BREAD] Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour." [Mattityahu/Matthew 15:24-28]
