Author Thread: THE WORD OF GRACE
dljrn04

View Profile
History
THE WORD OF GRACE
Posted : 3 Sep, 2012 02:10 AM

Titus 1:1 Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of God's elect and the knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness--



2 a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,



3 and at his appointed season he brought his word to light through the preaching entrusted to me by the command of God our Savior,



4 To Titus, my true son in our common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.





5 The reason I left you in Crete was that you might straighten out what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you.



6 An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.



7 Since an overseer is entrusted with God's work, he must be blameless--not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain.



8 Rather he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined.



9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.



10 For there are many rebellious people, mere talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision group.



11 They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.



12 Even one of their own prophets has said, "Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons."



13 This testimony is true. Therefore, rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith



14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of those who reject the truth.



15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.



16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.







Devotional:



God gives officers to the church to preserve the gospel of grace. For it was on this message that the church was built, and it is by this Word that the world must be saved.



The Word of grace is always under attack. The churches on Crete were bothered by moralistic teachers. Paul didn't mince words in describing them. Condemning their sectarian teachings, the apostle stated, "To the pure, all things are pure."



Coming from Paul, this saying must be understood in the Christian sense. It means that those who have been called and cleansed by God�and who live according to that calling�do not shun the present world and are not afraid to enjoy all God's created gifts.



It's a great proverb, well worth remembering: "To the pure, all things are pure." Paul asserted it over against teachers who were trying to bind the consciences of believers. He was vehement about the issue because these teachers denied salvation by faith in Jesus Christ. With an appearance of moral earnestness, they were building the wrong supports for our hope. They thought it was "too easy" for a person to be saved by believing in Jesus Christ. So they added new commands and requirements.



Whenever such teaching creeps into the church, we must bring all guns to bear on the issue. Honor both the Creator and the Redeemer by saying, "To the pure, all things are pure."



by the Rev. Andrew Kuyvenhoven

Post Reply



View Profile
History
THE WORD OF GRACE
Posted : 3 Sep, 2012 05:52 AM

"Whenever such teaching creeps into the church, we must bring all guns to bear on the issue. Honor both the Creator and the Redeemer by saying, "To the pure, all things are pure."...?



It is typical of Christians to use metaphors as has been here with the term "guns".



This merely proves that even though the writer appears to be seasoned and mature, he has yet to comprehend the purpose of guns and swords, and of how to wield them represents man in man's own power.



Guns and Swords both involve dialectics and manipulation. These mechanisms are used to teach men that they are "gods" and have the power of controlling the outcome, which is not true or scriptural.



"Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." [Mattityahu/Matthew 26:52]



The metaphors of the world are designed to contrast the spiritual fact that man has no power in and of himself at all, and is totally [universally and unceasingly] dependent upon the Fount of All.



I discern - do to your loving to post these devotionals - that you will attempt to twist this, and resurrect this post, attributing this error to "harmless" or "everyone makes mistakes", or something to that effect, but the truth is the truth, and Abba will not permit you to do it. This man should not have used a physical metaphor of worldly violence concerning the power of men to represent the Glory and Power that alone belongs to Abba YaHUaH (YHUH). He wants to make "his" devotional appear to be worth picking up, in the minds of "his readers". This is a common error of Christian and Jewish philosophers, and of philosophers in general, and is truly not of grace.



Please be careful not to rebuke truth in defense of your post and using this man's philosophy as a daily devotional.

Post Reply



View Profile
History
THE WORD OF GRACE
Posted : 3 Sep, 2012 05:54 AM

Guns are bad...

Post Reply

Apostelle

View Profile
History
THE WORD OF GRACE
Posted : 3 Sep, 2012 06:41 AM

Amen natzarim!



GU, a gun is just an object. It is how that object is used. Cain did not have a gun when he slew his brother, but a rock can be used to build a house or to kill.

Post Reply



View Profile
History
THE WORD OF GRACE
Posted : 3 Sep, 2012 03:33 PM

I was giving a silly response to a silly post from Natz...

I don't believe his response to the OP was needed. I believe it to be off topic and inaccurate.

Post Reply



View Profile
History
THE WORD OF GRACE
Posted : 3 Sep, 2012 04:11 PM

Here is a classic case of taking a non-issue and turning it into a "big" issue. But to what end? What is the purpose in taking up this particular argument against the author - Rev Kuyvenhoven (Rev. K.)? In my opinion, there are several reasons why Natzarim fails in his own argument here against the Rev. K.. I shall address just a few in the last portion of my response.



First, I would like to highlight what I feel is the most important aspect of Natzarim's response and that is his lack of charity to Rev. K. Since Rev K. is not here to defend his own intentions, we must operate with some charity when we attempt to attribute our own ideas about someone else�s motivations. I believe Natzarim errs when he assumes that Rev. K's motivation is " He wants to make "his" devotional appear to be worth picking up, in the minds of "his readers". This is a common error of Christian and Jewish philosophers, and of philosophers in general, and is truly not of grace. "



Does anyone else believe that Rev. K. deliberately chose the metaphor "gun" in order to make his devotional "worthy of being picked up or to encourage it's readership"? How can Natzarim know this to be true? He cannot. As a result, his response becomes uncharitable at best. At worst, it borders on bearing false witness against a brother. All of this over the use of the metaphor 'gun' in a devotional. Seems like more than a little hair splitting. Further, he attacks Rev. K. as unseasoned and immature. Again, not too charitable especially given the fact that he has not taken his concern directly to Rev. K but rather sought to openly and plainly discredit him publicly.



Then, he threatens the OP with the following admonition: "I discern - do to your loving to post these devotionals - that you will attempt to twist this, and resurrect this post, attributing this error to "harmless" or "everyone makes mistakes", or something to that effect, but the truth is the truth, and Abba will not permit you to do it."



Wow! Does he really "discern" that the OP is going to try to "twist the truth" in order to justify the use of a single word from the original article? If so, what proof does he have of this other than pure speculation on his part? Has the OP ever done so before? Perhaps, he just does not want to be challenged for his critical analysis and therefore attempts to intimidate, in advance, anyone who may try to do so. There is always that possibility. Isn't there?



Now, Abba is permitting me to openly challenge Natzarim's assertions here for everyone. So, this alone will prove that Natzarim was wrong on that point, will it not?



I am first going to assume that Rev K.'s intention was to glorify God in his devotional writing. That would be charitable. Now, let's review Rev. K's use of the word 'gun' with a bit more charity and see if in fact Natzarim has a point or he does not.



Here is the quote in question: "Whenever such teaching creeps into the church, we must bring all guns to bear on the issue. Honor both the Creator and the Redeemer by saying, "To the pure, all things are pure."



The context can be easily used here to better understand what Rev. K is saying. What is the 'gun' here that is being brought to bear? The answer is right in Rev. K's next sentence. We are "to say....". In other words, the 'gun' is a word or words and that word is directly derived from the Word itself. Now, Rev. K could have just as easily said let us bring our 'swords' to bear against false teaching since this is the exact metaphor that the Word itself uses in Eph. 6:17. However, Rev. K. chose a more modern weapon to convey the same idea. Since, guns are much more common than swords in today's culture; this metaphorical adaptation is indeed applicable and reasonable in order to convey this same idea. Is it not?



Even more confounding and disconcerting is that Natzarim himself brings his own "gun" to bear against Rev. K in his response while at the same time asserting that one should not do so.



More can be said in refutation to Natzarim's post. Let me take up another point for the sake of shining some light on errant conclusions. Natzarim says: "Guns and Swords both involve dialectics and manipulation. These mechanisms are used to teach men that they are "gods" and have the power of controlling the outcome, which is not true or scriptural."



A gun or a sword is no more designed to manipulate an outcome than are a rake or a shovel. All are tools that when wielded contribute to an outcome. One could argue that a mechanism such as a rake or a shovel teaches men that they are "gods" since both of these tools are used to produce a harvest of food on a farm. However, we know from Scripture that in the case of the harvest, it is not the tools used but rather God that gives the increase. Still, the tools are necessary to accomplish the task. Why? Because Abba determined and purposed that it would be so. A gun/sword used in the hands of a soldier or a police officer may well be used for the glory of God just as a "spiritual gun/sword" may also be used for the glory of God. The tool is a tool. The tool in and of itself cannot determine the wielder's intention. Deeper still is the fact that ALL things at ALL times whether for good or evil are used to accomplish the will of God despite the wielder's intention.



Still more can be said about Natzarim's post. For example, his misapplication of Matthew 26:52, the Apostle Paul's use of dialecticism when he reasoned with the Epicureans and Stoics on Mars Hills in Acts 17, and so on. However, I think enough has been said to suggest that Natzarim has not fully developed his case against Rev. K. and that he has operated uncharitably to Rev K., the OP, and all of the readers in the process.



May God grant to all of us Wisdom and charity.

Post Reply



View Profile
History
THE WORD OF GRACE
Posted : 3 Sep, 2012 08:59 PM

truthbeknown writes:



"However, I think enough has been said to suggest that Natzarim has not fully developed his case against Rev. K. and that he has operated uncharitably to Rev K., the OP, and all of the readers in the process."..?

_________________________________



"I think"..?



This man, if it is a man, presents the perspective as if it is the power of intellect and hubris that wins the day.



This is clearly a false gospel, one which empowers man and seeks to strip away the Sovereignty of Elohim: "if only man may present a better more intelligent argument", this one proffers:



"For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ." [Galatea/Galatians 1:10]



"And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God." [Galatea/Galatians 2:1-5]



This one claims that "Natzarim has not fully DEVELOPED his case", as though I were Perry Mason, and this were a courtroom:



"Natzarim has not fully developed his case, against Rev. K"..?



What man has a case against, or on behalf of, truth? Who can contend with the Most High?



"Not by power, nor by might, but by my spirit saith the LORD!"



"Who shall lay anything to the charge of G-d's elect?"



"No weapon formed against you shall prosper, and every tongue that shall rise against you in judgement thou shalt condemn!"





"I think....Natzarim has acted uncharitably!"



Natzarim has not moved in any way towards the "OP" or "Rev. K", that can be said or stated, that I "acted against", and nor can it be stated, that "he performed as an actor". Notice how this one twisted a statement, into an action against, so as to inflame by calumny and chicanery.



Please notice how this one defends the lecherous system of Babylonomics and these "professional ministers", these pimps, who are using of the Word of Elohim to generate capital, when it is written that Jesus/Yahusha took a whip and drove out those who were trying to get in between Elohim and His Seed, and take the Word, as this miscreant, this "Rev. K", and any like him, who try and use truth, to make money.



It is sickening to see these vipers, pretending to be the sheep, erecting these so-called "churches", which are nothing but buildings, and setting up the tables and bringing in the merchandise, the books, cds, t-shirts, coffee, and seeking to deceive the flock, all so he and his "ministry" can enrich themselves:



"And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves," [Mattityahu/Matthew 12:21]



Since this one opened the can of worms by stating that they weren't entirely certain of what I was stating.



Let me clarify any doubts about what I was stating, by adding this.



This minister, and any and all like him, who seek to use the Word of Elohim to enrich themselves in this Babylonian system, is a hypocrite, and Abba YaHUaH (YHUH) will deal with them for taking His Name in vain. This man is a hypocrite, for only a hypocrite would try to return into the Temple - with the Babylonian game of "buying and selling", once the Messiah had drove them all away.



Revelation 18 tells us that the time is coming when men shall not buy the Harlot's merchandise anymore, and yet this one dares to defend this hypocrite's conduct in using the Word, the Bread of the Children, and cast it to the dogs as merchandise?



It is fornication, to take the Word and use it for gain. Is this not the same thing that Simon the sorcerer did, when he offered Peter gold for the gifts of the Holy Spirit? This is what is wrong, terribly wrong with Christianity, as its ministers seek to all get paid, and yet Peter and John had nothing to give to the poor man at the Gate Beautiful:



"And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money." [Ma'asey/Acts 8:18-21]



Do not buy devotionals or any book, other than the Bible and think that you need these hypocrites' perspective for the saving of the soul, for that is an insult to the Father, Who has given you everything in His Wondrous Book of the Ages, the Compendium of Eternal Wisdom, the Holy Bible!



In closing,



Did you notice that not once did TRUTHBEKNOWN, let the truth be known, by using one scripture in all of those words?



That was a very foolish thing for one to do, and still proclaim themselves to be a man or woman of Elohim. I will let the prophet and Abba YaHUaH (YHUH) tell you about the one who wrote this comment, that they are not of Him:



"TO THE LAW AND TO THE TESTIMONY, IF THEY SPEAK NOT ACCORDING TO THIS WORD, IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM!" [Yeshayahu/Isaiah 8:20]



There you have it! Not one scripture used, proves that there is NO LIGHT in this one. They are, as the hypocrite Rev. K, using what they gathered along the way, but they truly have no respect deep inside, where it matters, for the Word and OBEYING IT!



Elohim just ripped the mask off for all to see the importance of always having the Torah as your words, and that you do not need to buy some hypocrites "devotional", ask Abba to teach you and show you everything you need to know about life.



He will do it!



He will talk with you, and you will not need to buy one piece of garbage that is being used to con you out of your life!



You are not to use a devotional!:



"THIS BOOK OF THE LAW SHALL NOT DEPART OUT OF THY MOUTH, BUT THOU SHALT MEDITATE THEREIN DAY AND NIGHT!"



If you are meditating on the Torah DAY and NIGHT, do you have any time for another book of regurgitated messages?



Do not get me wrong, the Word of Elohim is important where ever it is written, or spoken. But this notion of books taking the place of the Word of Elohim, is wicked!



"MEDITATE ON THESE THINGS GIVE THYSELF WHOLLY TO THEM THAT THY PROFITING MAY APPEAR UNTO ALL!"



Here is another scripture which proves that this is all garbage. You are not to use another book to get revelation from Abba!



"GIVE THYSELF WHOLLY TO THEM (the scriptures)!"



That means that you are not to use another BOOK, and yet this one, and the OP writer, are telling the sheeple, not to listen to the Word, but go out and by a devotional?



What man can speak for Him????????????????????????



Shalom little children!



Natzarim

Post Reply

dljrn04

View Profile
History
THE WORD OF GRACE
Posted : 4 Sep, 2012 02:28 AM

Thank you Truth be Known for your kind defense to such an unloving response.



So Naz i am to believe you a self proclaimed man of god over a minister of the word. One called by God Almighty?????



Sorry i chose God and his ministers over a self professing man of god.

Post Reply



View Profile
History
THE WORD OF GRACE
Posted : 4 Sep, 2012 02:44 AM

"This man, if it is a man, presents the perspective as if it is the power of intellect and hubris that wins the day."

Where has he done this? Just because you are posting it doesn't make it so. I only read, "However, I think enough has been said to suggest that Natzarim has not fully developed his case against Rev. K. and that he has operated uncharitably to Rev K., the OP, and all of the readers in the process." Would you have felt better if he had said, I know? You claim to speak from God, and not "think" yet you make statements that are false. How do you reconcile that? You make bold claims that God won't allow her to respond to you, as if you know this. In reality, you simply think this, if even you really think it. This makes you a jypocrite. Don't be a hypocrite.



"This is clearly a false gospel, one which empowers man and seeks to strip away the Sovereignty of Elohim: "if only man may present a better more intelligent argument", this one proffers:"

You make another mistake here. What you have quoted is not much different than, "but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect(1 Peter 3:15"...Surely you don't argue with that verse. Or maybe you have a different interpretation. Intelligence is not inherently evil. True wisdom comes from God. Despite your attempts to discredit this brother, you have only made yourself look more foolish....I think. Furthermore, he said nothing of where the intelligent argument comes from. You took it upon yourself to tell us all that he means some type of intelligence that doesn't come from God. But why have you done this, since he only asked for a more intelligent argument? Why have you decided that his argument cannot be from God simply because he mentions intelligence. If you were trying to make your case to us here, you have indeed made a very weak one.



You post, ""For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ." [Galatea/Galatians 1:10]"...with the implication that this brother is trying to please men or to persuade men and that this is evil. Paul himself speaks of becoming all things to all men that some might be saved. Yet Paul knows this power to become all things only come from God. God persuades men through other men. Surely you see this throughout scripture. Furthermore, why did you keep posting if it's not an attempt to persuade other men? Are you just speaking to yourself? Is there no ultimate goal in your posts? Are they vain and if so, are you not following the command to do all things to the glory of God?



You posted, " And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God." [Galatea/Galatians 2:1-5]"...as a critique of this brother, but you have made another mistake. First you must make the case that he is calling for us to speak with enticing words. I understood it to mean that he is calling for to be greater and more God-glorifying in our critiques of others.



"This one claims that "Natzarim has not fully DEVELOPED his case", as though I were Perry Mason, and this were a courtroom:"

Well he's right. You didn't.



"What man has a case against, or on behalf of, truth? Who can contend with the Most High?"

You aren't him. When you make as many mistakes as you have, you don't speak for Him either.



You say...""Who shall lay anything to the charge of G-d's elect?"...and you somehow have forgotten that you consider Donna to be elect? Is this not hypocrisy? There is a trend with you. You can say whatever you want about anyone else, but if someone speaks against you, they are not allowed because you are elect.



""No weapon formed against you shall prosper, and every tongue that shall rise against you in judgement thou shalt condemn!"

Because you have been justified, not because everything you say is perfect. As we clearly have seen, it's not.



"Natzarim has not moved in any way towards the "OP" or "Rev. K", that can be said or stated, that I "acted against", and nor can it be stated, that "he performed as an actor". Notice how this one twisted a statement, into an action against, so as to inflame by calumny and chicanery."

A statement is an action....You are playing with words in an attempt to confuse readers and distract them from the brother's points.



"and take the Word, as this miscreant, this "Rev. K", and any like him, who try and use truth, to make money."

I'm sorry but I must have missed where you showed us that Rev. K was out for money. Can you show this again?



"It is sickening to see these vipers, pretending to be the sheep, erecting these so-called "churches", which are nothing but buildings, and setting up the tables and bringing in the merchandise, the books, cds, t-shirts, coffee, and seeking to deceive the flock, all so he and his "ministry" can enrich themselves:"

Ahhh yess....those prosperity gospel preachers...who likes em? Off topic



"Since this one opened the can of worms by stating that they weren't entirely certain of what I was stating."

So this is how you open a can of worms? I just always thought this was how you ask for clarity. Apparently you did too because you followed it up with, "Let me clarify any doubts about what I was stating, by adding this."



"This minister, and any and all like him, who seek to use the Word of Elohim to enrich themselves"

Did you show yet where he has sought to enrich himself?



"Revelation 18 tells us that the time is coming when men shall not buy the Harlot's merchandise anymore, and yet this one dares to defend this hypocrite's conduct in using the Word,"

It looked less to me like he was defending every word of Rev. K and more like he was defending him against ignorant attacks.



"It is fornication, to take the Word and use it for gain."

Yea but again you are off topic.



"Did you notice that not once did TRUTHBEKNOWN, let the truth be known, by using one scripture in all of those words?"

Irrelevant...



"That was a very foolish thing for one to do, and still proclaim themselves to be a man or woman of Elohim."

Why?



""TO THE LAW AND TO THE TESTIMONY, IF THEY SPEAK NOT ACCORDING TO THIS WORD, IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM!" [Yeshayahu/Isaiah 8:20]"

But you said that TRUTHBEKNOWN didn't use one scripture. Maybe you should clarify because you seem to be saying he didn't post one scripture. If that's the case then Isaiah 8:20 is irrelevant...because you haven't shown that TRUTHBEKNOWN didn't speak according to the word. You've only shown that he didn't post a scripture(I'm just taking your word here. I didn't go back to read his post).



"There you have it! Not one scripture used, proves that there is NO LIGHT in this one."

Are you really trying to convince us of this? Really?



" ask Abba to teach you and show you everything you need to know about life."

He has shown you ripping other brothers apart...with misuse of scriptures and with hypocrisy.



"He will talk with you, and you will not need to buy one piece of garbage that is being used to con you out of your life!"

Off topic



"If you are meditating on the Torah DAY and NIGHT, do you have any time for another book of regurgitated messages?"

Off topic



"Do not get me wrong, the Word of Elohim is important where ever it is written, or spoken. But this notion of books taking the place of the Word of Elohim, is wicked!"

Off topic



You post, "MEDITATE ON THESE THINGS GIVE THYSELF WHOLLY TO THEM THAT THY PROFITING MAY APPEAR UNTO ALL!"...and then say, "Here is another scripture which proves that this is all garbage. You are not to use another book to get revelation from Abba!"

My question would be where does this verse say what you claim it says? Please don't just call me stupid for not understanding. Actually show me something.

Post Reply



View Profile
History
THE WORD OF GRACE
Posted : 4 Sep, 2012 02:46 AM

So Donna has responded. That either proves God or Natz to be a liar, based on Natz's claim that God will not allow her to respond. Hmmm....Is God the liar or Natz? I know my choice.

Post Reply



View Profile
History
THE WORD OF GRACE
Posted : 4 Sep, 2012 09:06 AM

dljrn writes:



"Sorry i chose God and his ministers over a self professing man of god."

_______________________________________



"SORRY, I CHOSE"...?



"I am GOD, and I WILL DO AS I PLEASE! ELOHIM TRULY HAS NO CONTROL OVER ME, FOR IT IS I WHO SHALL DO AS I SEE FIT!"



This is why this woman does not truly believe in the Authority of the Word, or else she'd see and comprehend that these men, these miscreants, are telling her that she cannot hope to hear Elohim speak to her, and that she needs their regurgitated nonsense, to enable her to comprehend Elohim.



This is as absurd as it gets!





Elohim states by the prophets that He will teach His seed, and these merchants from hell, tell men, "YOU NEED TO BUY MY BOOK - IT WILL HELP YOU!"



It is a lie! It actually leads men away, by promiting the doctrines of free will and that Elohim is not SOVEREIGN.



If Elohim is SOVEREIGN - which He is - then why aren't men running to Him, Who KNOWS ALL THINGS, to have Him teach them?



Can it be, because they do not truly believe that He will teach them, and/or that He will do as He says?



"It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me." [John 6:45]



Men cannot teach the True Seed of Abba YaHUaH (YHUH), this is the purpose of the Holy Spirit:



"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." [John 16:13]



You all, which are arguing against all that I have written, that men are liars and deceivers, who want you to buy their books and devotionals and cds, so that the Babylonian system will work for them. You state that you believe what is written, but then turn right around and insult the Holy Spirit, Who was sent to guide all true believers into the truth. NOT the REV. Ks of the world!



This is an example of the false doctrines which abound in the world today. It provides men with a false sense of g-dliness, but they deny where the real power in life is from. This is why you see these statements,



"I CHOOSE! G-D CANNOT CHOSE FOR ME, I AM AS WISE AND AS BRILLIANT AS HE, AND CAN TAKE CARE OF THIS FOR MYSELF!"



No one may choose Elohim, this is a falsehood, and the fruit of following men who teach that "you can choose Jezus to be your Lord and Savior!"



Both the Old and New Testaments both affirm in agreement, which is the reason why there are TWO BOOKS, as they are witness to the other. They both teach that man cannot choose, but that Abba chose His Seed before time:



[OLD TESTAMENT:]

"The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee." [Jeremiah 31:3]



Jeremiah or Yirmiyahu was one of the "bachiyr" or "anointed ones" in the Old Testament period, and the hypocrites of Satan's seed, who were hidden in Abraham's seed [of his loins] attacked and killed Jeremiah and all of the prophets, for stating just as I am, that you have no choice, but that if you were truly chosen by the Father, He will draw you in time. This is why Jesus [Yahusha to me] said:



[NEW TESTAMENT:]

"NO MAN CAN COME UNTO ME EXCEPT THE FATHER WHICH HATH SENT ME DRAW HIM, AND I WILL RAISE HIM UP AT THE LAST DAY!" [John 6:44]



Elohim says that one may not choose, but that He chose from all eternity, and then comes these heresies spewed by the demons of hell, which want men not to believe that Abba YaHUaH (YHUH) is not SOVEREIGN.



Here He speaks to the prophet Isaiah [Yeshayahu to me] and says write this:



"Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb: And even to your old age I am he; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you. To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like? " [46:3-5]



He has always carried His Seed and blessed them in this world and life, and yet men stubbornly refuse to believe His promises, and instead run to men to have them tickle their ears, so they can pretend that they are of the anointed.



Men cannot be permitted to believe that Elohim is SOVEREIGN! This is why we see all of these statements, by "professed Christians", referring to their "free will!"



"I CHOOSE"!!!!!!!



This very doctrine is a blasphemous insult to YHUH Most High, because it infers that He is not SOVEREIGN, by virtue of the fact that there is something that is not subject to Him.



This doctrine is the basis of all false religions throughout the entire world, as well as for the over 30.000PLUS denominations of Christianity.



Here, we have this statment, "I CHOOSE", which infers that "IT IS MY RIGHT AS GOD TO HAVE MY SAY", therefore I CHOOSE THIS RELIGION...THIS MINISTRY"



Everything about Christianity that is WRONG is associated with the system of Babylonomics, Satan's system of Transmutative physics.



If John wrote in Revelation 18 that the time is coming when men will not buy the harlot's merchandise any more,

why do you who are arguing here, "THAT IT IS ACCEPTABLE FOR ME TO BUY HER MERCHANDISE"?:



"And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities." [John the beloved, Revelation 18:1-5]



WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU REALLY ON?



Why do you buy the harlot's merchandise, if the goal of the Father is that men do not buy her merchandise anymore?



You are holding in your very hands the proof that you are not serving the Father in buying the harlot's merchandise, you are serving Satan.



I, in closing, am so very grateful that He chose to love me, and that He has taught me the DOCTRINE OF UNRELENTING GRACE!~~



"YOU DID NOT CHOOSE ME, BUT I CHOSE YOU, AND ORDAINED THAT YOU BEAR FRUIT AND THAT YOUR FRUIT REMAIN!"



Natz..

Post Reply

Page : 1 2