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satan and his gospel
Posted : 19 Nov, 2012 06:35 AM

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.





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satan and his gospel
Posted : 19 Nov, 2012 08:00 PM

If its hid and they are blind whats the point telling them they are? Help me understand.......

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Posted : 19 Nov, 2012 08:17 PM

I believe in recognizing that they are lost and misled may be what the Lord is reaching for.

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Posted : 20 Nov, 2012 12:47 AM

Who made you believe in Jesus?



I guess the Holy Spirit is the one and only minister to the souls of men as pertains to matters of God (christian faith). He directs,leads,warns etc. I tend to believe that He even directs in matters of sharing the word ie if we care to listen to His voice. There is always someone He wants you or anyone else to reach, there is always a target.



Many hear but don't listen, most don't believe while others take things lightly. Human tactics in preaching the gospel end up producing hundreds of converts who fall away completely just months after their conversion.



Who would understand? who would believe if not by the Holy Spirit's enabling? How can flesh understand matters spiritual?



Sorry if i diverged.

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Posted : 20 Nov, 2012 10:01 AM

Amen, Rocco :applause:

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Posted : 20 Nov, 2012 12:10 PM

I wasnt able to watch the youtube...takes to long to load...however...I believe its always best to read the intire chapter instead of one verse takin out of context to make a point of...satan and his gospel...Ima not sure ifin this OP is about satans gospel or Pauls gospel being satanic or ifin a person doesnt believe a certain doctrine they are lost...<><...xo



2 Corinthians 4 (KJV)

1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;

2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;

9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;

10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you.

13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.

15 For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.

16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

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Posted : 20 Nov, 2012 01:03 PM

Well Jude, then i guess you should not have given your opinion.





"Ima not sure ifin this OP is about satans gospel or Pauls gospel being satanic or ifin a person doesnt believe a certain doctrine they are lost...<><...xo"

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Posted : 20 Nov, 2012 02:36 PM

In your opinion Jude, what did you change or what was made different by posting the context? I respect that you think the verse was taken out of context, but you didn't let us know what you believe it to mean in context. Please don't do your usual, "The word speaks for itself". Tell us what you think the word is speaking.

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Posted : 20 Nov, 2012 04:18 PM

Ok Donna�I�m sorry�please forgive me for needing clarification as to what is �satans gospel� since that is the title of the Thread�I truly want to watch the YouTube so I may better understand the point you are trying to make here�



GUD shared ~ �Please don't do your usual, "The word speaks for itself". Tell us what you think the word is speaking.



*** 1st things 1st�The WORD does speak for its self�its very simple to read and understand�even a child can understand it�just wanted to clarify that�



*** OK�so�2 Corinthians 4 is about the Mission and Determination and Courage�and a person wont get all that out of one verse taken out of context�Right ???�.



1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;



*** This ministry of the New Testament is about the freedom from bondage to the law�as mentioned in the previous chapter�and a person wouldn�t know that unless they read the previous chapter�Right ???



2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.



*** Renounced�"We have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways; we refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God's word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God."�Quoting the RSV�purty straight forward�



3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:



*** Hid�That is�[ hid to them that are �lost� ] as described in the next verse and that�s another reason why taking a verse out of context isn�t a real good idea�it loses the flow of what is being conveyed�wouldn�t you agree ???



4 [[[ In whom [ the god of this world ] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. ]]]



*** So�I will do my best here to write as clear as possible�so it may be understood�A �Believer� in Christ Jesus reading this verse Understands that satan �the god of this world��blinds the minds of those that [[[ Believe Not ]]]�the question to ask is Why ???�Because he doesn�t want Anyone any Soul to be Reconciled to GOD through Christ Jesus nor to �Believe� Christ Jesus is who He says He is nor to Believe His Gospel�



Hope this helps some folks here�<><�xo

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Posted : 20 Nov, 2012 06:03 PM

GJ,



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Posted : 20 Nov, 2012 10:29 PM

Again Jude, I will ask again what you believe you changed by adding the context. Posting a verse without context is not the same as taking a verse out of context.

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