Author	Thread: Prerequisite for Salvation ~~~~A.W. Pink
Admin	Prerequisite for Salvation ~~~~A.W. Pink Posted : 26 Dec, 2012 10:58 AM Studies on Saving Faith by A.W. Pink: "Mr. Carnal Confidence:�'Well, let us turn to Acts 16:31, that is simple enough. There is no room allowed there for any quibbling. God says 'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved': God says that to�me; I have believed on Christ, and so I must be saved.'�Writer:�'Not so fast, dear friend. How can you prove God says that�to you? Those words were spoken under unusual circumstances, and to a particular individual. That individual had been brought to the end of himself; he was deeply convicted of his sins; he was in terrible anguish of soul; he had taken his place in the dust, for we are told that he "came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas" (Acts 16:29). Now is it fair to take the words of the apostles to�such�a man and apply them indiscriminately to anybody? Are we justified in ignoring the whole setting of that verse, wrenching it from its context, and giving it to those who have not any of the characteristics which marked the Philippian jailor? ... Christ saves none who is still in love with sin; but He is ready to save those who are sick of sin, who long to be cleansed from its loathsome foulness,�who�yearn to be delivered from its tyrannizing power.'" ----------------------------------- This quote from Mr Pinks' book clearly states Pink believed a prerequisite to salvation is a loathing of foul sin and a desire to be cleansed & delivered from its power. Post Reply
View Profile History	Prerequisite for Salvation ~~~~A.W. Pink Posted : 26 Dec, 2012 12:01 PM I wonder if you are doing this knowingly or what. You are really reaching and the fact that you have to reach so far, I find interesting. First of all, you imply again that Pink speaks for every reformed believer. Second of all, you clearly still don't understand the reformed position. God is the one who brings a man to this point. Why do you complicate the simple things? Is it done on purpose? Post Reply
View Profile History	Prerequisite for Salvation ~~~~A.W. Pink Posted : 26 Dec, 2012 12:47 PM Here is some Pink for you.... "Gospel-duties cannot be performed without regeneration. The first requirement of Christ from His followers is that they shall deny self. But that is impossible to fallen human nature, for men are "lovers of their own selves" (2Tim. 3:2). Not until the soul is renewed, will self be repudiated. Therefore is the new-covenant promise, "I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh" (Ezek. 11:19). All Gospel duties require a pliableness and tenderness of heart. Pride was the condemnation of the Devil (1 Tim. 3:6), and our first parents fell through swelling designs to be like unto God (Gen. 3:5).Ever since then, man has been too aspiring and too well opinionated of himself to perform duties in an evangelical strain, with that nothingness in himself which the Gospel requires. The chief design of the Gospel is to beat down all glorying in ourselves, that we should glory only in the Lord (1 Cor. 1:29-31); but this is not possible till grace renews the heart, melts it before God, and moulds it to His requirements." Post Reply
View Profile History	Prerequisite for Salvation ~~~~A.W. Pink Posted : 26 Dec, 2012 01:03 PM Graceundeserved, Dljrn04 let's A.W, Pink speak for her on this forum and you don't seem to have a problem with that. So please explain why it is inappropriate for me to let A.W. Pink speak for me??? Post Reply
View Profile History	Prerequisite for Salvation ~~~~A.W. Pink Posted : 26 Dec, 2012 01:11 PM It first involves understanding which you haven't shown. First you say you don't view salvation along the Arminian lines, but you never really clarified what you do believe. Then you quote a man who is reformed and claim he believes what you believe. Yet, you misunderstand the quotes you give. It would first help for you to state what you believe in regards to salvation and then we can examine to see if your views line up with Pink's. Post Reply
View Profile History	Prerequisite for Salvation ~~~~A.W. Pink Posted : 26 Dec, 2012 11:10 PM "But you never really clarified what you do believe" ------------ Simply put; I believe in the Sovereignty of God. He is free to deal with people in a Reformed fashion, a Arminian fashion and every shade in-between and beyond both extremes. God has only to be true to His Nature. Yes, I know this cannot be quantified or formulaized, and the thought of it makes you feel insecure because instead of putting you at the mercy of a system you can comprehend, it puts you at the mercy of God, who can't fully be comprehended. Post Reply
View Profile History	Prerequisite for Salvation ~~~~A.W. Pink Posted : 27 Dec, 2012 08:37 AM :)...YUP!!!...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	Prerequisite for Salvation ~~~~A.W. Pink Posted : 27 Dec, 2012 08:37 AM I believe the same as you, that God has the absolute sovereignty to decide what He will do with creation. I just believe He has already chosen, as evidenced by scripture. Now if you believe He is going to change and act outside of what He has already revealed, I'm not sure where you can find scripture to support this idea. Post Reply
View Profile History	Prerequisite for Salvation ~~~~A.W. Pink Posted : 27 Dec, 2012 09:29 AM You can take a Calvinist and a Arminian, let them engage in 'Bible Wars' posting Scripture verses back and forth. Allow them each to accuse the other of twisting, misinterpreting and taking Scripture out of context. Then as a average Christian raised in neither camp follows the 'Battle' they will agree with one Scripture verse and side with the Calvinist and agree with another Scripture verse and side with the Arminian and at many times agree with both sides. The BIG mistake is thinking we have enough proof to pick only one side. CLEARLY Scripture teaches God is Sovereign, what isn't so clear is; ''Exactly' how and why God does what He does. (After all He is GOD) Therefore, since there is Scripture supporting both sides of this argument, the most foolish thing to do is to side with one side or the other when Scripture clearly teaches God is Sovereign and can do whatever He pleases with His Creation. We are not at the mercy of some preconceived system thought up by God, rather we are at the mercy of the Nature of God. After all this is what the Bible is REALLY FOR: 'To reveal the Nature of both God and man' My problem is not with Monergism, Calvinism and Reformed doctrine,per se, rather it is with the fact they believe they alone have the 'Truth' and all other Christians must be ignorant, misinformed or non-elect and predestined to Hell. It is precisely this attitude which creates division in the body of Christ and turns a feasible doctrine into a doctrine of demons. Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Prerequisite for Salvation ~~~~A.W. Pink Posted : 27 Dec, 2012 01:05 PM The problem is your view on God he is either sovereign (Reformed view), or he is a bellhop (arminian / palagian views). The bible only has one God. The sovereign one. Post Reply
View Profile History	Prerequisite for Salvation ~~~~A.W. Pink Posted : 27 Dec, 2012 06:43 PM Dljrn04, thank you, that was very informative offering great insight into the topic of discussion. And the bellhop comment, well just wow! Your contribution is deeply appreciated. Post Reply

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