Author	Thread: THE WORLD OF JOHN 3:16
Admin	THE WORLD OF JOHN 3:16 Posted : 23 Jul, 2013 12:26 PM For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. �We do here announce, declare, and proclaim that this assumption (that the �WORLD� of John 3:16 means �ALL MEN WITHOUT EXCEPTION� IS FALSE. It is unbiblical. It commits one to a teaching that deviates from the gospel, fundamentally. The word, WORLD, in John 3:16 does not mean �all men without exception.� It is now common among Reformed people that, when one confesses God�s election of some persons to salvation, God�s particular love for the elect, and God�s exclusive desire to save the elect, his confession is immediately contested by an appeal to John 3:16: �For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.� Indeed, this is almost the rule. When the all-men-without-exception-people quote John 3:16, this is how they are reading it: �For God so loved all men without exception, that he gave his only begotten Son to die for all men without exception, with the desire that all men without exception be saved, so that whosoever believeth in him, of his own free will, should not perish, but have everlasting life.� Whenever anyone challenges the confession of God�s particular, exclusive love for His elect by quoting John 3:16, we must regretfully conclude that he holds the doctrinal position set forth above and wishes to confess it publicly, in order thus to overthrow the Reformed doctrine of predestination, limited atonement, total depravity, effectual grace, and the preservation of saints (which is only an elaborate way of saying, salvation by grace alone � the gospel)�. David J. Engelsma Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	THE WORLD OF JOHN 3:16 Posted : 23 Jul, 2013 04:46 PM :applause: amen Post Reply
View Profile History	THE WORLD OF JOHN 3:16 Posted : 24 Jul, 2013 09:49 AM http://www.prca.org/audiosermons/Ministers/Engelsma.htm xo Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	THE WORLD OF JOHN 3:16 Posted : 24 Jul, 2013 11:38 AM "Fearfully and Wonderfully Made" Psalm 139:13-16 :applause: Awesome sermon, you don't hear sound teaching like that in most " self professing churches" of today. Post Reply
View Profile History	THE WORLD OF JOHN 3:16 Posted : 24 Jul, 2013 12:36 PM John 3:16: �For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.� *** I'm a Whosoever...:applause:...For there is no differance betwix a Jew or a Greek...:bouncy:...I BELIEVE in Yahshua aka Jesus...I BELIEVE everything He says...and Has said...and Continues to say...I BELIEVE everything He has Done...Does Do...and Continues To Do...Therefore...I shall not perish, but have Everlasting LIFE...Thank you!!!...xo Post Reply
View Profile History	THE WORLD OF JOHN 3:16 Posted : 24 Jul, 2013 02:15 PM The difference is not about Jew or Greek. It is about the vessels of honor - the ELECT and the vessels of wrath - the REPROBATE. HIS sheep are both of this fold ( Jew after the flesh) and of another fold ( Gentiles). But they are nonetheless SHEEP by His predestination according to the purpose and glory of His own will and not of their own. The rest are goats -- predestined from before time and creation according to the purpose and glory of His own will and not of their own. Post Reply
View Profile History	THE WORLD OF JOHN 3:16 Posted : 24 Jul, 2013 02:58 PM Is it TBK ???....Returned ???...I believe the topic you posted is John 3:16...and now you dirrect it to Predistination ???...Is that in the verse of discussion ???....Ya...Sheeps and Goats...Well...just so yall know...Ima Sheep...:yay:...I know HIS voice and I dont listen to the voice of the goat god...although he trys really hard everyday to undermind Yahshuas teachings and directions...xo Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	THE WORLD OF JOHN 3:16 Posted : 24 Jul, 2013 06:47 PM John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." This is a conditional verse...the first half of the verse: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son," means exactly that...He loved the world...He loves all and wants NONE to perish... However, the second half of the verse sets a condition for everlasting Life: "that whosoever BELIEVETH [emphasis mine] in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." He loves everyone as He IS Love...not everyone loves Him nor BELIEVES in Him...so not everyone will receive everlasting life...but ALL are capable of believing...so ALL are capable of receiving HIs gift of everlasting life. It's really NOT a hard verse to understand... Post Reply