Author	Thread: Why are the women here teaching the men?
Admin	Why are the women here teaching the men? Posted : 16 Oct, 2013 09:45 PM Many women in Christendom these days are under the complete misunderstanding that it is proper and acceptable for a woman to teach a man in an assembly of believers. Egalitarianism in the assembly is unbiblical; plain and simple. The men are the ones given the authority to teach and the women are to remain silent. They are NOT to teach. There are no verses supporting women teaching men in an assembly of believers. Men alone are given authority to teach, to become pastors and elders. Authority over the man is DENIED to the woman according to the creation order and according to the penalty of the curse. They are to submit to the man's authority. Thus sayeth the law: Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. 1 Tim. 2:13-14 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 1Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 1 Cor. 11: 8-9 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. To be clear again, it is improper for a woman to teach in an assembly or to be in a position of authority over a man. Let's look at what the Word of God teaches on this subject. Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. NOTICE THE FIRST ISSUE: They suffered ( G1439 "eao"- permit) her to teach. "Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, to teach." Now, in addition to this, her teaching was seductive. It caused the hearers to commit idolatry. (1 Kings 16:31-32 & 1 Kings 21:25-26) Dr. Tony Garland in his commentary on Revelation makes the following observations: "Jezebel of Thyatira not only taught error, but exercised teaching authority over men in opposition to role distinctions set forth by Paul ( 1Tim 2:12). As Paul explains, such role distinctions are not cultural, but grounded in God�s created order (1Tim. 2:13-14). The error of the Thyatiran church was not just that Jezebel was allowed to promote unbiblical concepts, but that she evidently held a position as a teacher over men. This is another point of identification with the strong- willed, domineering Jezebel of the OT. No doubt, both her position of influence and the content of her teaching were repugnant to God." 1 Cor 14:34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak ( G2980 "laleo" - to talk, to utter words) but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. Women are forbidden to speak in church. Here is Dr. John Gill commenting on this passage: "They may not speak in such sort, as carried in it direction, instruction, government, and authority. It was not allowed by God that they should speak in any authoritative manner in the church; nor was it suffered in the churches of Christ; nor was it admitted of in the Jewish synagogue; there, we are told the men came to teach, and the women "to hear": and one of their canons runs thus; "a woman may not read (that is, in the law), "in the congregation", because of the honour of the congregation;'' Women are to submit themselves to the men and to learn in silence. 1 Tim 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. They are NOT PERMITTED TO TEACH or to USURP the male authority. 1 Tim: 2:12-13 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Men are the ones that are to hold the authoritative offices of pastors/bishops/elders etc. 1 Timothy 3: 1-2a "THIS is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife...." - Notice - if a man be a bishop, etc. Not if anyone wants to be. Also see, Titus 1: 6 -- "Husband of one wife......apt to teach...." So then, when are women permitted to teach men in an assembly ( a gathering of believers)? They are not. That means not taking an authoritative tone and/or not having the intent to "school" a man in what they need to know. Woman are not to have a didactic attitude toward a man. Period. Do women have any authority to teach at all? Yes, they do. Titus 2:3-5 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed. Can any woman teach other women? NO.. only those who are "aged" ( that is mature in the faith) . They must also first have behavior which becometh holiness, not false accusers, not drunkards and teachers of "good things" What are the older women to teach the younger? -Love husbands -Love children -Discretion -Chastity -Homemaking -Goodness (character) -Submission to ones husband NOTICE: Women are not told that they may teach theological issues even to other women. OBJECTIONS: 1. Men and women are equal Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." This verse relates to salvation, it has nothing to do with authority or office. It has nothing to say about our subject whatsoever. Those who try to apply this verse otherwise do so in exegetical error. 2. What about Deborah, Ruth, Esther, etc. What about them? 3. What about Priscilla? She taught Apollos. Acts 18:26 "And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly." First, notice that she and her husband took Apollos aside. This confirms that Priscilla understood the command against speaking in an assembly. Also, please take notice that the Scripture is not specific who did the "expounding". All we can conclude from this is that the husband and wife were together when Apollos was being instructed. 4. What about Timothy? 2 Timothy 1:51 "I am reminded of your sincere faith, a faith that dwelt first in your grandmother Lois and your mother Eunice and now, I am sure, dwells in you as well." 2 Timothy 3:15 "You have been taught the holy Scriptures from childhood, and they have given you the wisdom to receive the salvation that comes by trusting in Christ Jesus." All that we can conclude here is that Timothy was raised in the faith. He was taught the Scriptures as a child -- not as a man. Post Reply
View Profile History	Why are the women here teaching the men? Posted : 17 Oct, 2013 01:12 AM Why are Calvinist on here? Post Reply
teach_ib View Profile History	Why are the women here teaching the men? Posted : 17 Oct, 2013 01:18 AM We're you duly refuted by a woman who shared her knowledge and wisdom on this Christian dating site? �We've had this discussion before. � If you don't want to 'listen' to the woman, skip her post. "Sadly, too often here there is just too much vain disputing against God. It's as if people want to be free to pick and choose which verses they like and ignore the ones that they don't." Post Reply
dljrn04 View Profile History	Why are the women here teaching the men? Posted : 17 Oct, 2013 04:45 AM :yay: No one likes truth IWA, as proven by a feminist and pj. Post Reply
View Profile History	Why are the women here teaching the men? Posted : 17 Oct, 2013 05:32 AM Ummm...:rolleyes:...Jezebel taught sinful ways....she used her deception to lure people into SIN...its purty simple that a women such as this should be avoided....And I've not come across one women here on the Forums that does what Jezebel does...If we are no longer under the LAW and are Under Liberty as Teach posted some clear Scripture here...:applause:...Then Why is it when a women shares her insight and understanding...not calling her self a prophet and not being a seducer or deceiver is so looked down upon by some folks ???...Paul as many here quote pertaining to this subject was addressing the Hebrews/Israel people...Jews...not Gentiles...some folks want us following Pauls Teachings while forgetting Yahshuas Teachings...and some folks that just cant stand it that some women are Teachers...Evangelists...Leaders...like Debra...well...they get there Chonies in a bunch because it goes against Their grain...not GOD's...Gezzz...talk about pick and choose scriptures...in one post its God is Sovereign and the next HE is not...just an observation...nothing more...nothing less... X <>< O Post Reply
View Profile History	Why are the women here teaching the men? Posted : 17 Oct, 2013 06:15 AM Teach -"We're you duly refuted by a woman who shared her knowledge and wisdom on this Christian dating site?" NO Jude -- In that garbled paragraph, you have shown everyone here why women should not teach. Thank you for your "observations" I am going to go ahead and stick with the Word of God on this one. You two women can use your 'free will' and do what you wish. Post Reply
View Profile History	Why are the women here teaching the men? Posted : 17 Oct, 2013 06:38 AM Of course...:rolleyes:...you don't understand plain English...Here is a question.... What is the difference betwixt a women posting teachings of a man or a women posting scripture and how is either of these considered Teaching men ???...I really would appreciate if you could explain this as I and others here are wondering what makes you believe the women here are teaching men ???....Looking forward to reading your reply...unless you do a duck duck goose again :winksmile: X <>< O Post Reply
View Profile History	Why are the women here teaching the men? Posted : 17 Oct, 2013 06:45 AM "freewill" ???...Is this what its all about now ???...Oh LORD...Have Mercy..here we go with the "Freewill" lashing... X <>< O Post Reply
View Profile History	Why are the women here teaching the men? Posted : 17 Oct, 2013 06:50 AM http://cms.intervarsity.org/slj/sp00/sp00_ll_avoiding_critical_spirit.html X <>< O Post Reply
View Profile History	Why are the women here teaching the men? Posted : 17 Oct, 2013 06:54 AM Jude - FYI, Teach has asserted that she has "free will" to do as she pleases many times. Thus my comment on the matter. What is the difference betwixt a women posting teachings of a man or a women posting scripture and how is either of these considered Teaching men ???. This is a straw man argument. Post Reply
View Profile History	Why are the women here teaching the men? Posted : 17 Oct, 2013 07:42 AM The Bible teaches what it teaches. It's very straightforward and clear on this subject. All of the applicable principles that can be deduced from these passages are also very clear. I see no reason to continue discussing this. Here are some quotes from Brother Halfback: "The dialectic then opposes the absolute nature of "it is written," the Word of God. As a method for the changing of beliefs and doctrines the dialectic seeks to change or diminish faith that scripture is absolute facts. In other words the dialectic is an argument against scripture. It wants to compromise the absolute nature of scripture." "The dialectic mind deals in relationships of feeling, with emotions and opinions, and opposition to absolutes to defend those feelings and opinions." "Those who use dialectic arguments or quarrels against the facts of scripture are always looking for loopholes, shades of grey, contradictions and verses where the meanings and implications are not spelled out in great detail to hit at with their rejection of the absolute." "And those who use the dialectic often do not start an attack directly against the doctrine they are opposing. Instead, they often attack the doctrine from the side. They start an argument against some one small part of the doctrine, or a related doctrine, thinking that in so doing they can somehow, by a kind of witchcraft, defeat the entire doctrine of truth they oppose. The person who habitually has trouble refraining from use of the dialectic in carrying on a dialogue over issues of disagreement often misrepresents the position of the opponent. Sometimes the misrepresentation is obvious and at other times more subtle" http://www.christiandatingforfree.com/forum/forum_details.php?topic_id=18575&forum_sub_cat_id=14 Post Reply

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