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Appling Galatians 3: 27-18, Romans 2: 28-29 and Other NT Texts To the Identity of the 144,000
Posted : 11 Nov, 2013 03:09 PM
"Understanding what Paul is teaching in Galatians 3: 27-28 and in Romans 2; 28-29 is necessary for understanding the metaphor of the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11, where the word witness, martus, means both witness and martyr."
Why is understanding of the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11 important? Its adds to a knowledge of what is happening now and is to happen. Failing to understand this chapter leads to a rejection of knowledge. "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee," Hosea 4: 6
In my post today I did not get into the 144,000 above because it would make the post longer.
The 144,000, seen in Revelation 7: 1-8 and Revelation 14: 1-5, can be understood only if Galatians 3: 27-28 and Romans 2: 28-29 is understood and believed. The theologies taught in the churches do not apply Galatians 3: 27-28, Romans 2: 28-29, Romans 9: 6-8 and Galatians 4: 24-26 to an understanding of the identity of the 144,000.
The traditions of man are applied to that understanding rather than New Testament scripture. The theology called separation theology, postponement theology, Christian Zionism and the Rapture Cult, using its litralist "Hermeneutic" insists the 144,000 are all Jews. On the other hand, those Calvinists following amillennialism and maybe also those into preterism say, like the Catholics, that the 144,000 is just a general allegory for all saved people of all times.
I don't know of any Calvinists who have applied the New testament scriptures listed above to the identity of the 144,000, and like the dispensationalists, the Calvinists have no use for a Remnant of Israel, which is what the 144,000 is.
But you see, dispensationalism, starting from the postulate and not from NT scripture claims that under their "hermeneutic," from the Pagan god Hermes, the word Israel can only mean all physical Israel, and never born again Israel in Christ.
To dispensationalists a Remnant of Israel must be the Jews. I don't know what the Remnant of Israel is for a Calvinist.
So, if you start from the traditions of men, you can not understand the identity of the 144,000 and do not recognize the Remnant which is to play a role in the tribulation. This Remnant could include some were were once Jews but are now Christians and not Jews, since they have been born again in Christ.
If you start from NT scripture, and believe that the word of God is absolute truth, the Remnant of Israel, seen in Revelation 12: 17, by way of Daniel 11: 33, teach some of the "Two Witnesses" who have been spiritually "killed off" by the army of false prophets of Revelation 9:16-19, and in Revelation 11: 11 those who accept the testimony of Jesus Christ given by the Remnant are given the "Spirit of life from God."
Many church people do not like it when a number of scriptures drawn from both the Old and New Testaments and various parts of each are brought together and applied to an interpretation of texts, such as those on the 144,000.
The church people have been taught a comparmentalized way of understanding scripture, which makes it easier to deceive them into following the traditions of men - like dispensationalism or amillennialism.
But to change from dispensationalism or amillennialism (or historicism) to the truth on the role of the 144,000 involves a large change, especially for some coming out of the strong delusion of II Thessalonians 2: 10-12. Only a holistic approach using the all the counsel of God (Acts 20: 27) can help them some out of the delusion, and then only by God reaching down to change them can they come out of it.
The argument or quarrel between interpreting Revelation 7 and 14 on the 144,000 by scripture or by the tradition of men can easily become endless and fruitless - unless the Lord opens the door for the truth.
But, following I Corinthians 11: 19 - "For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you" - there must be an interpretation of the 144,000 and of the role of the Remnant of Israel in the scenarios of the tribulation period (now) which is not true in order for that which is true to stand out in its truth - but only to those who understand it.
Appling Galatians 3: 27-18, Romans 2: 28-29 and Other NT Texts To the Identity of the 144,000
Posted : 11 Nov, 2013 03:48 PM
I heard the number of those sealed; 144,00 from the tribes of *ISRAEL*. From the tribe of JUDAH 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of REUBEN 12,000, from the tribe of GAD 12,000, from the tribe of ASHER12,000, from the tribe of NAPHTALI 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, from the tribeof SIMEON 12,000 from the tribe of LEVI 12,000, from the tribe of ISSACHAR 12,000, from the tribe of ZEBULUN, from the tribe of JOSEPH 12,000 from the tribe of BENJAMIN 12,000!
This of course is the very opposite of symbolic since it is so exact!!
Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches.....I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this Book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book {Including eternel hell}. And if anyone takes *WORDS AWAY* {Like the Preterists and Historicists} from this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The **NEW JERUSALEM**}, which are described in this Book.!!"
Appling Galatians 3: 27-18, Romans 2: 28-29 and Other NT Texts To the Identity of the 144,000
Posted : 11 Nov, 2013 03:53 PM
WHO WILL BE GOD'S TWO WITNESSES {REV 11:3} OR MEN {REV 11:6} OR PROPHETS {REV 11:10}??
Zechariah 4:11,14: "Then I asked the angel, 'What are these *TWO* OLIVE TREES {See Rev 11:4 below} on the right and left of the lamp stand?'... the angel said, 'These are the TWO who are anointed to serve the Lord of the earth!'" �Rev 11:3-6: {God said to John} "I will give power to My *TWO* witnesses and they will prophesy for 1260 days clothed in sackcloth! These are the *TWO OLIVE TREES {See Zech 4:11,14 above} and the 2 lamp stands that stand before the Lord of the earth. If anyone tries to harm them, fire will come from their mouths to destroy their enemies. This is how anyone who tries to harm them must die {See 2 Kings 1:9-12; Num 16:31-35}.
These *MEN* will have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying {See 1 Kings 17:1; Luke 4:25; James 5:17}; and they will have power to turn the waters into blood {See Exodus 7:15-23} and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they wish."
Moses and Elijah witnessed to 3 Apostles on the mount of Transfiguration when Moses & Elijah spoke to Jesus about his departure or Ascension, which Jesus was to bring to fulfillment in Jerusalem 40 days after His resurrection. Luke 9:30,31: �TWO MEN, Moses and Elijah, appeared in GLORIOUS SPLENDOR talking with Jesus.� They spoke about His Departure {Or Ascension} which He was about to bring to fulfillment in Jerusalem."
Moses and Elijah were most assuredly the *TWO MEN* dressed in white who witnessed at the Departure or Ascension of Jesus in Acts 1:10,11: "They looked up into the sky as He {Jesus} was going when suddenly *TWO MEN* dressed in WHITE stood beside them. "Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into Heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into Heaven!"�
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���� And then in Luke 24:2b-6b we read: They did not find the body of Jesus. While they were wondering about this, suddenly *TWO MEN*... stood beside them... And the *MEN* said to them, "Why do you look for the living among the dead? HE IS NOT HERE; HE HAS RISEN!!" �
� Jesus says in John 8:17b: "The testimony of *TWO MEN IS VALID* and of course the testimony of Moses and Elijah is just about as valid as you can get. ������ And so the coming of God's *TWO MEN* or witnesses to prophesy for 1260 days {See Rev 11:3-7} will be their FOURTH appearance as God's 2 witnesses or MEN. And the reason that their names are not mentioned in Luke 24:3 and Acts 1:10 and Rev 11:3-12 is that the Father, Moses and Elijah want us to glorify *NO ONE ELSE BUT JESUS*!!
� � Moses and Elijah will most likely witness miraculously to people in the uttermost parts of the earth in all 6,000 languages. Presently the Bible has been translated into about 2,000 languages from the inspired Greek and Hebrew manuscripts and faith comes from hearing or reading the sword of the spirit which is the Word of God.
The Bible still has not been translated into about 4,000 languages and Rev 5:9b and Rev 7:9,13,14 must be completely fulfilled.� Surely the courageous tribulation saints will help Moses and Elijah spread God's Word. They will do a fantastic job since according to Rev 7:9,14 there will be a great multitude from EVERY TRIBE AND LANGUAGE who will be �WASHED IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB�.
Moses & Elijah will be dressed in SACKCLOTH which is appropriate since the Tribulation saints will be very poor, for they will not be able to buy or sell anything as per Rev 13:17. Moses and Elijah will certainly speak the Word of God with great power and love. They will not add or take words away from the Prophetic Words of God {See Rev 22:18,19}; and they will encourage God's courageous saints to adhere to *ALL* of the NT commandments {See Rev 12:13b; 14:12b; Matt 28:20a; John 14:15,21,23; I John 2:2-5} with love {See Matt 5:39-48 & Rom 12:17-21} in the face of severe and hostile persecution.
Moses and Elijah will begin their 1260-day testimony {Rev 11:3} 3 1/2 days before the coming of 666 & the 1260-day Great Tribulation and 1263 1/2 days before the Last Day. {*THE FIRST END-TIME EVENT*} Moses and Elijah will warn us of the coming of 666 & his False Prophet. ��� It seems very appropriate that God will send His TWO PROPHETS {See Rev 11:10b} to warn and prepare His saints for the coming of Satan, 666 and the Great Tribulation for in Amos 3:7 we read: "Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing without revealing His plan to His servants the PROPHETS!"�
GOD'S PROPHETS are mentioned 8 times in Revelation: Revelation 10:7; 11:10; 11:18; 16:6; 18:20,24; 22:6 & 22:9. Whereas; preachers, pastors and evangelists are not even mentioned once in Revelation! God will allow 666 to martyr Moses and Elijah {See Rev 11:7,8} right where their Lord was crucified. {At the new *HOLY PLACE* where Jesus shed his blood for our sins} 3 1/2 days later Moses and Elijah will rise to heaven just hours before the 7th angel sounds the 7th Trump at the 2nd coming of Jesus.{See Rev 11:11-18}
Mark 13:14: Jesus says, �When you see 666 standing where he does not belong {AT THE NEW HOLY PLACE}....then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.� {See Rev 11:7,8 & Rev 16:15} John 2:19: Jesus said, �Destroy this TEMPLE and I will raise it again in 3 days.� This HOLY PLACE is where Jesus became the chief cornerstone {Eph 2:20,21} and we are living stones {I Pet 2:5 & 2 Cor 6:16} in the LAST TEMPLE made without hands! {Acts 17:24} �
���Certainly, the old Jerusalem and the old Temple site are NO LONGER HOLY PLACES.�� Hebrews 13:12-14: "Jesus suffered outside the city gate to make the people HOLY THROUGH HIS BLOOD. Let us, then, go to Him outside the city, bearing the disgrace He bore. For here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the CITY {THE NEW JERUSALEM} that is to come." {See Heb 11:10,13-16; Heb 12:22; Rev 3:12b; 21:2,10-27; 22:1-5; 2 Pet 3:13}
Gal 4:25,26: "Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem {Called Sodom in Rev 11:8} because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is ABOVE is free, and she is our mother." {THE *NEW* JERUSALEM}
Appling Galatians 3: 27-18, Romans 2: 28-29 and Other NT Texts To the Identity of the 144,000
Posted : 11 Nov, 2013 04:28 PM
Are the two of you trying to say the same thing? If so, you ought to get together and clarify things and then put forward some unified propositions that can be better analyzed.
P774, I think you are creating a good deal of confusion by continuing to post to other peoples threads in this fashion.
Appling Galatians 3: 27-18, Romans 2: 28-29 and Other NT Texts To the Identity of the 144,000
Posted : 11 Nov, 2013 05:21 PM
Believe it or not P774, I read all of Halfack's posts. Yours, not so much because of the way that you go about it.
Perhaps, you would do better to articulate your disagreement with his comments and then offer some Biblical support. Rather than just spamming his thread.
Appling Galatians 3: 27-18, Romans 2: 28-29 and Other NT Texts To the Identity of the 144,000
Posted : 11 Nov, 2013 05:42 PM
P774, judging from this comment, "{Like the Preterists and Historicists}, one is left to conclude that you are a futurist. Of those three positions, the futurist position is laughable by comparison.
Appling Galatians 3: 27-18, Romans 2: 28-29 and Other NT Texts To the Identity of the 144,000
Posted : 11 Nov, 2013 06:08 PM
Actually the Preterist belief that everything in Matthew 24 and 25 and in Revlation took place by AD 70 is not very laughable sine this Satanic belief is not only ridiculous but since it ADDS and TAKES WORDS AWAY from the prophecies in God's Word since it is an unpardonabe sin as per Revelation 22:16-19!!
Matthew 24:29-31: Jesus says, �Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light and the stars will fall from the sky. At that time the sign of the Son of Man will **APPEAR** in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn.� {Luke 21:28 adds �When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.�} Then the nations will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send His **ANGELS** with a loud {7TH & LAST} *TRUMPET* CALL and they will gather *His elect* from the 4 winds {Mark 13:27b adds:} �from the ends of the earth {Saints on earth} to the ends of the Heavens {Saints in Heaven}!!�
Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: �**WHEN** the Son of Man {The Lamb} comes in His glory, and all the **ANGELS** {See Matt 24:29-31} with Him, He will sit on **HIS THRONE** in Heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him and He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on the left.�
�*THEN* the King will say to those on the right, �Come you who are blessed by My Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.� {The New Jerusalem with its New Heaven and New Earth�See Rev 21:1-5 & 2 Peter 3:10-13}
�**THEN* He will say to those on His left, �Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.� ....�*THEN* they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.�
Matthew 13:40-43: Jesus says, �As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it wil be at the **END OF THE AGE**. The Son of man will send out His **ANGELS**, and they will weed out of His kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the firey furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. **THEN** the righteous will shine like the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear."
2 Thess 1:1,6-10: �To the *CHURCH* of the Thessalonians�God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen *WHEN* the Lord Jesus is *REVEALED* from heaven in blazing fire with His powerful **ANGELS*�. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting *DESTRUCTION* and shut out from the presence of the Lord *ON THE DAY HE COMES* to be glorified in His holy people...this includes you!!�
Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, "The Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His **ANGELS** , and **THEN** He will reward each person according to what he has done!"
John 5:28,29: Jesus says, �Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming {The Last Day} when *ALL* {Both OT & NT Saints} who are in their graves will hear His voice and come out�those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.�
Daniel 12:1b,2,7b: �There will be a time of distress {The Great Tribulation} such as not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time {The Last Day} your people--*EVERYONE* whose name is found written in the Book {Both OT & NT Saints}�will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt�It will be for a time. times and half a time {1260 days-Rev 12:6,14, or 42 {30-day} months-Rev 13:5-{Not 7 years} *ALL* these things will be *COMPLETED.
Revelation 13:4-10: Men worshipped the Dragon:devil: {Satan} because he had given authority to the Beast {666}, and they also worshipped the Beast:devil: {666} and asked, "Who is like the Beast {666}? Who can make war against him?" The Beast :devil:{666} was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for 42 {30-day} months {Or 1260 days or time {360 days} times {720 days and 1/2 a time {180 days} {See Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 12:1,2,7b} ....He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And He :devil:{666} was given authority over **EVERY** tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb that was slain. He who has an ear let him hear: If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go . If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints!!
Daniel 7:21,22,25-27: This horn :devil:{666} was waging war against the saints and defeating them, until the Anceient of Days came and pronounced judgment in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came when they possessed the Kingdom...He :devil:{666} will speak against the Most High and oppress His saints . The saints will be handed over to him for time {360 days} times {720 days} and 1/2 a time {180 days} {Or 1260 days}. But then the court will sit, and his power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever {See Rev 19:20}. Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be handed over to the saints, the people of the Most High. His Kingdom will be an EVERLASTING KINGDOM!!
By comparing Revelation 12:6 and Revelation 12:14 we know that time{360 days} times {720 days} and 1/2 a time {180 days} and 1260 days are the exact same period of inspired time and 42 months times 30 days is also exactly 1260 days!!
Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the New Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the Throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will live with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away!" :peace::applause:He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**." Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are TRUSTWORTHY AND TRUE!!"
Appling Galatians 3: 27-18, Romans 2: 28-29 and Other NT Texts To the Identity of the 144,000
Posted : 12 Nov, 2013 06:13 AM
Matthew 24:29-31: Jesus says, �Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light and the stars will fall from the sky. At that time the sign of the Son of Man will **APPEAR** in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn.� {Luke 21:28 adds �When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.�} Then the nations will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send His **ANGELS** with a loud {7TH & LAST} *TRUMPET* CALL and they will gather *His elect* from the 4 winds {Mark 13:27b adds:} �from the ends of the earth {Saints on earth} to the ends of the Heavens {Saints in Heaven}!!�
Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: �**WHEN** the Son of Man {The Lamb} comes in His glory, and all the **ANGELS**:angel::angel: {See Matt 24:29-31} with Him, He will sit on **HIS THRONE** in Heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him and He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on the left.�
�*THEN* the King will say to those on the right, �Come you who are blessed by My Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.� {The New Jerusalem with its New Heaven and New Earth�See Rev 21:1-5 & 2 Peter 3:10-13}
�**THEN* He will say to those on His left, �Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.� ....�*THEN* they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.�
Matthew 13:40-43: Jesus says, �As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it wil be at the **END OF THE AGE**. The Son of man will send out His **ANGELS**:angel::angel:, and they will weed out of His kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the firey furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. **THEN** the righteous will shine like the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear."
2 Thess 1:1,6-10: �To the *CHURCH* of the Thessalonians�God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen *WHEN* the Lord Jesus is *REVEALED* from heaven in blazing fire with His powerful **ANGELS*:angel::angel:�. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting *DESTRUCTION* and shut out from the presence of the Lord *ON THE DAY HE COMES* to be glorified in His holy people...this includes you!!�
Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, "The Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His **ANGELS**:angel::angel: , and **THEN** He will reward each person according to what he has done!"
Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the New Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the Throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will live with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away!":applause::peace: He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**." Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are TRUSTWORTHY AND TRUE!!"
Appling Galatians 3: 27-18, Romans 2: 28-29 and Other NT Texts To the Identity of the 144,000
Posted : 12 Nov, 2013 06:40 AM
First of all let me say i am not a prer~what or Herma~who :waving:
i am just a man that reads the bible like it is a book of the relationships between God and man with the #1 conclusion that we are all worthy of hell but Jesus came to save those that will. Try to fit me into any other peg hole and you are mistaken.
prophetic774 i agree with your posts pretty much, don't know if i agree that the two will be Moses and Elijah but you posted the scriptures i was planning to to point out the olive trees AND the certainty that the 144,000 are from the nation of Israel.
It seems like the posters here have been to bible school and learned the different ways of interpreting scripture. Me not so much but Jesus made it easy enough to understand that the poor of His day could get it. Sometimes it seems to me that we as modern men make it more than what it is, perhaps trying to understand an infinite mind that God surely has. One thing life has taught me is the more intelligent can communicate with the least intelligent because they teach it at a level they will understand.
Appling Galatians 3: 27-18, Romans 2: 28-29 and Other NT Texts To the Identity of the 144,000
Posted : 12 Nov, 2013 07:30 AM
There is no doubt that the theology more often called dispensationalism is the dominant one in the churches of the United States - and also in the countries to which the U.S. has set its missionaries. Many in the churches have not been taught to connect a set of doctrines to the name dispensationalism. And many will say they are not dispensationalists while defending its doctrines.
Its not hard to find quotes from dispensationalist leaders on the main doctrines of this theology. If you type in the word "dispensationmalism" on Google today, you get "About 365,000 results" or Internet links.
You will find that dispensationalism teaches that God now has two different peoples, the Jews and the Church. But Christ in John 10: 10 says there is only one fold. Paul in Romans 12: 4 says we are many members of one body, and in other places he says there is one elect, one Body of Christ, one saved group.
You have to really spin these verses a lot to justify the dispensationalist claim that God now has two peoples. And what you are doing in trying to make the scripures say something other than what they say is lying about what scripture teaches.
So, one of the two main starting positions of dispensationalism - that God now has two peoples the Jews and the Church - turns out to clearly contradict the New Testament. The second major starting point of the theology is the claim that all scripture must be literally interpreted. that is, it should never be "spiritualized." To the dispensationist there is no big difference between the teaching of the Catholics and most Calvinists that many end time prophecies are just general allegories and the language of specific metaphor which teaches knowledge through these metaphors. To him both are wrong because the interpretations are not literal. For example, the Catholic and Calvinist teaching that the 144,000 are just the saved people of all time is a huge, general kind of allegory. Interpreting specific metaphoric language which is all over both the Old and New Testaments ios not this form of "spiritualizing" as huge generalized allegories.. So, the second starting position of dispensatiomnalism is wrong too. It leads to false doctrines because specific metaphors are all over scripture which offer specific knowledge. But the churches follow dispensationalism as the majority theology. Calvinism is a minor theology.
And which new Bible version is the most popular in the churches? If you look carefully at many verses you will find that the new Bible versions downplay and diminish the clarity and spiritual power of the Greek texts and that they are based on a different Greek text to begin with. The New International Verson is full of translations that diminish the teachings of the Textus Receptus Greek.
The New International Version, the one that diminishes and downplays more verses, is the one which is at the top of the list. Actually, the King James Version is badmouthed in many or most Christian seminiaries and in most churches.
