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Some Fundamentals of the Christian Gospel Undermined By A "Hermeneutic"
Posted : 1 Dec, 2013 06:45 AM

Some Fundamentals of the Christian Gospel Undermined By A "Hermeneutic"



Jude 1: 3-4 teaches that "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ."



Some guy here on Christian Dating For Free said that to follow Jude 1: 3 is a theology. I thought that Jude 1: 3-4 is absolute truth and not someone's theology.



Jude's men who crept in unawares and John's men who went out from the faithful Christians because they were not of them were some of the False Prophets of Matthew 24: 11, II Peter 2: 1-3, I John 4: 1 and the second beast of Revelation 13: 11-18.



And Jude's saying that certain men crept in unawares who deny Christ is saying the same thing as John says in I John 2: 19, "They went out from us, but they were not of us..." These men who went out from John and the faithful Christians could have been Jews who believed in Christ but were Judaizers who insisted on all Christians being circumcised and following the other ceremonial laws of Moses, or they might have been Gnostics, or followers of a very early movement called the Nicolatians. Christ says in Revelation 2: 6 "But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate." It is possible that the Nicolaitans derive from Nicolas of Antioch in Acts 6: 5. Ireneus said the Nicolaitans were the spiritual descendants of Nicolas of Antioch, who had been ordained as a deacon in Acts 6:5.



See:



http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ante-Nicene_Fathers/Volume_I/IRENAEUS/Against_Heresies:_Book_I/Chapter_XXVI.



Vol. I, Against Heresies: Book I by Irenaeus, Chapter XXVI.�Doctrines of Cerinthus, the Ebionites, and Nicolaitanes:



"3. The Nicolaitanes are the followers of that Nicolas who was one of the seven first ordained to the diaconate by the apostles. They lead lives of unrestrained indulgence. The character of these men is very plainly pointed out in the Apocalypse of John, [when they are represented] as teaching that it is a matter of indifference to practise adultery, and to eat things sacrificed to idols. Wherefore the Word has also spoken of them thus: �But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate."



Apparently, Nicolas was a Gentile Greek who first converted to Judaism and then to Christianity, but mixed pagan beliefs with his Christian beliefs. If this is so, then Nicolas was not necessarily a Judaizer, but who instead continued to follow come of his earlier pagan beliefs.



The Judaizers - especially the Pharisees who believed in Christ, but who insisted that circumcision and other ceremonial laws be followed - are seen in Acts 15: 1, 5 and in Acts 21: 20-23, where James tells Paul that there are thousands of Jews who believe "...and they are all zealous of the law.' The law is the ceremonial or shadows (Hebrews 10: 1, Colossians 2: 17) part of Torah, the unified law of the Old Covenant.



The Judaizers have returned in the form of some of the groups within the Messianic Judaism movement, which is supported by the Hebrew Roots and Sacred Name Movement. See: http://www.lightofmashiach.org/circumcision.html



Circumcision And Gentiles

By Ellen Kavanaugh, of Messianic Judaism



She quotes Genesis 17:9-14 and then says "So, circumcision isn't given just to the Jewish people but to all of Abraham's descendants. Abraham obeyed G-d and all the males in his household were circumcised.



A common argument is that Gentile believers don't need to be circumcised because they come into G-d's covenant not through Torah or Jewishness, but through Abraham. Yet we've just seen circumcision was the *very sign* of the covenant G-d made with Abraham before Torah was even given. So this argument doesn't excuse Gentile believers from being circumcised."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Judaism



"The observance of the kashrut dietary laws is a subject of continued debate among Messianic Jews. Some Messianic believers keep kosher purely for the purposes of evangelism to Jewish people. Most avoid pork and shellfish, but there is disagreement on more strict adherence to kosher dietary laws."



"When conversion is sincerely desired by a gentile Messianic believer, Messianic Jewish halachic standards (including circumcision) are imposed to maintain integrity among the world Messianic Jewish community."



http://jerusalemcouncil.org/articles...e-circumcised/



"Do I need to be circumcised?



Yes, it�s part of keeping the Covenant.



It is a sign of the Covenant, in that it is a sign as to Who the Messiah is, in that he does not come by human effort, and that He is the �seed of the woman� prophesied in Genesis 3:15.



It is also required of all males who wish to eat of the Passover. Yeshua commanded �do this is remembrance of me,� that is, the Passover. Those males who desire to follow his charge concerning Passover, must also submit to the Torah�s requirements for keeping it, which includes circumcision."



Dispensationalism opened the door to the Judaizers by proclaiming for over a hundred years that Christians must honor physical Israel and that physical Israel, the Jews, now remain the chosen people. This does not necessarily mean that followers of John Darby, C.I. Scofield, Lewis C. Chafer and many others have advocated the following of the ceremonial part of the Old Covenant law.



Whether physical Israel still exists alongside something called the capital C Church depends on a "hermeneutic" which is an abstract imposition from man leaning to his own understanding upon scripture which scripture itself does not support. This "hermeneutic" is the work of some of the false prophets.



The leaders of dispensationalism taught that God now has two peoples, physical Israel and the church, and that all scripture should be interpreted literally. You cannot use consistent literalism in interpreting all scripture, because you end up in teaching some absurd doctrines. But the doctrine of consistent literalism supports the dispensationalist teaching that Israel in the Bible cannot refer to anything other than physical Israel.



John 10: 16 says "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."



Romans 12: 5 says "So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another."



There is one fold, one Body of Christ, not two, all physical Israel and the church.



Without quoting the entire text of Galatians 3: 3-29, verses 16 and 28-29 can be quoted to show the gist of Paul's teaching: "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ............There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."



Entry into the Kingdom of God, which is within us, is not by the flesh, not by having the fleshly DNA from Abraham, but by being Abraham's spiritual seed, which is the seed of God.



But dispensationmalism contradicts what Paul says in Galatians 3, and teaches that the Jewish people after the flesh have an identity separate from the identity known as Christian based only on their flesh and that after the New Testament era when God redeems the Christians he will then return to finish the work he was unable to do at the Cross and at Pentecost to the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. and will then save "all Israel" of Romans 11: 26. In fact, what Paul is doing in Romans 11: 26 is defining Israel the elect - all saved people - as the Israel of God (Galatians 6: 16) of the New Covenant.



"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." Romans 9: 6-8



All of these scriptures - John 10: 16, Romans 12: 5, Galatians 3: 3-29, and Romans 9: 6-8 - still stand as truth in spite of what the man made "hermeneutic" called dispensationalism, Christian Zionism, Separation Theology, Postponement Theology, Darbyism, or the Rapture Cult says.

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