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The 'church' or the ASSEMBLIES
Posted : 8 Jan, 2014 03:21 PM

Hi everyone:



As i read the Word of GOD Almighty,in the English translations i see the word 'church'.

Yet, when i look into the Greek language from which the Scriptures have been translated into English, i cannot find the word 'church' anywhere;

What i do find is this,( first the Scriptures containing the word 'church' and then the meaning of the word).



Mat_16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.



(KJV+) AndG1161 ifG1437 he shall neglect to hearG3878 them,G846 tellG2036 it unto theG3588 church:G1577 butG1161 ifG1437 he neglect to hearG3878 theG3588 church,G1577 let him beG2077 unto theeG4671 asG5618 an heathen manG1482 andG2532 a publican.G5057



Act_2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.



The Greek word for 'church' is 'ekklesia' #1577 in Thayers concordance.



G1577

ἐκκλησία

ekklēsia

Thayer Definition:

1) a gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly

1a) an assembly of the people convened at the public place of the council for the purpose of deliberating

1b) the assembly of the Israelites

1c) any gathering or throng of men assembled by chance, tumultuously

1d) in a Christian sense

1d1) an assembly of Christians gathered for worship in a religious meeting

1d2) a company of Christian, or of those who, hoping for eternal salvation through Jesus Christ, observe their own religious rites, hold their own religious meetings, and manage their own affairs, according to regulations prescribed for the body for order�s sake

1d3) those who anywhere, in a city, village, constitute such a company and are united into one body

1d4) the whole body of Christians scattered throughout the earth

1d5) the assembly of faithful Christians already dead and received into heaven

Part of Speech: noun feminine

A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564

Citing in TDNT: 3:501, 394



From Strongs concordance ( strongs add the word 'church')

G1577

ἐκκλησία

ekklēsia

ek-klay-see'-ah

From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out, that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both): - assembly, church.



Is the 'church' an ORGANIZATION,or an ORGANISM?

To be an 'organism' there has to be life,as an organization cannot breathe.



Let us look at the structure of an organization.

1. The president / and or CEO

2. Vice president

3. Board of directors

4. Certain committees

5. Always need payroll personal



Then the rest of the staff,workers,and people to make the organization work.



Now let us look at the 'church'



1. Senior pastor / pastor

2. Assistant pastor

3.Board of elders ( really Bored elders as they have nothing to do,as the senior pastor / pastor have usurped their authority and function).

4.Certain committees

5. Always need payroll personal.



Then the rest of the staff,workers and people needing to make the 'church' work.



Where does the 501 c 3 CORPORATE tax exempt status come from,well this was started by LBJ,Lyndon B. Johnson.

Yes this is a CORPORATE tax exempt status given to the 'church' and yes the 'church' had to become INCORPORATED' in order to have this status.

Does this violate the Scriptures,yes most certainly.



Mat 17:24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

Mat 17:25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

Mat 17:26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

Mat 17:27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.



Notice in verse 26 Messiah says the children of the state do not pay taxes,for the are FREE / 'EXEMPT'.



Mat 22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?

Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?

Mat 22:19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.

Mat 22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?

Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Mat 22:22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.



Does anyone notice that in verse 21 Messiah Yeshua says there is separation of the Assembly and the state.

Why then does the 'church' not want to render to Ceasar that which what Ceasar wants from others,could the 'church' be the friend of Ceasar?



Rabbi Shaul writes:



Rom 13:6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

Rom 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.



What shall we gather from these Scriptures,could we say that the 'church' is a friend of Ceasars.

The 'church' is a corporation,a business,and that many people are building their own empires for their own retirement.



Here is a site which tells how the 501c3 tax exempt status for the 'church' had begun.



http://hushmoney.org



Also look into this gentleman's web site,good info. there.



Peter Kershaw

Does the Government Control Our Churches? - Peter Kershaw



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzNWYAvh5Do



I hope everyone will begin not only reading and studying the Word of YHWH,but that they would also begin to 'INTERPRET' the Word of YHWH .



Seeing that the translators had their own agendas while translating,some were political,some financial,some personal,and some where to bring the people back under the law,and the authority of the pope.



So sad that the so called christians and religious people cannot and will not receive truth from those without any type of formal training or degrees.



Shalom

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Posted : 8 Jan, 2014 04:59 PM

I agree that the corporate church is not Biblical. I also believe that the religion of Christianity is not Biblical. Yes, translation has been influenced by agenda and doctrine has been twisted by the same agenda. I also agree that it is sad that the Church does not recognize the gifts when they are operating in their midst and chooses the ungifted but educated people for their leaders. But it is not surprising. It is a trait of the Church to persecute the true prophets.

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Posted : 8 Jan, 2014 05:06 PM

Hi SBD:



What is truly sad is to see the people being deceived by the so called clergy,who themselves have been deceived.



It is also sad to seeing the people believing things not even in the Scriptures,and when you tell them the truth they turn on you.



Joh_8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.



Shalom

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Posted : 8 Jan, 2014 06:04 PM

Paul uses the same term translated as "church" to describe the OT Jews in the wilderness who were called "out of Egypt" because Paul understood both prophecy and the future of sonship (for those who have ears that hear)



Matthew 2:15

And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, OUT OF EGYPT HAVE I CALLED MY SON.



Egypt is where those who left the famine of the Word in the world went to in order to find the truth and worship God, unfortunately they ended up making bricks........... the same man made bricks that form the tower of Babel when they try to get to heaven man's way in the same city of Babylon Jesus tells "my people" to come out of.



Just saying.............. for those who have ears that hear



Doug

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