How can Christians understand what God says and what false teachers/prophets say?
Have you heard about the Cult of Ole or any other cults in your countries?
How to understand what is a false doctrine and what is right?
Why people are VERY open to false teachings?
One man said:
" Any time we step away from using God's instructions for how to find answers to the Bible within the Bible, we introduce the doctrines of fallible man trying to determine the truths of an infallible Word of God.
The result of doing this has given us the church we have today with all of its 30,000 plus doctrinal differences coming from the same 'original' Bible."
I think it's so sad that so many people run around trying to demonstrate how much they know about God instead of how much they know Him.
True wisdom isn't about how many questions you can answer, it's about knowing which questions need to be asked.
If words aren't wrapped in Grace, they aren't from the Father.
Proverbs 30 talks of the things that can't be satisfied.
Original post by mydayisgood777:
"If words aren't wrapped in Grace, they aren't from the Father."
I said:
Is it in the Bible? LOL
mydayisgood777 said:
Yes, it is in the Bible - it is the underlying theme that isn't written...
I said:
If you state something then prove it. Give me Bible references if you know them to see if what you say is true or false?
If what you say is in the Bible then it is TRUE.
If what you say is NOT in the Bible then it is a FALSE statement which we all have to reject.
mydayisgood777 said:
I am not your instructor, I am sharing what I have learned about our Wonderful Father in heaven. If you want to reject His Grace, that is up to you. To me, the evidence of the existence of God's Grace through His Word and many years of meditating on His Word is sufficient for me to accept His Wonderful Gift of Grace.
If you really must know, 2 Corinthians 12:1-10
I said:
If you state something then prove it. Give me Bible references if you know them to see if what you say is true or false?
If what you say is in the Bible then it is TRUE.
If what you say is NOT in the Bible then it is a FALSE statement which we all have to reject.
I asked for confirmation of your words in the Holy Bible. But I see that you do not know the Bible.
The Bible says that Christians can lose their salvation falling away from GRACE:
For it is impossible for those (CHRISTIANS) who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall AWAY, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
For the earth which brings in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned. (Hebrews 6:4-8)
NOTE: "if they fall away", "For it is impossible to renew them again to repentance.. Why? Because there is a "point of no return"!
For if we sin WILLFULLY after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
Anyone who has rejected Moses? law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace
For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says the Lord." And again, "The Lord will judge His people." It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (Hebrews 10:26-31)
Note again: "there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins".
For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are AGAIN entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse than the beginning.
For it would have been better for them (CHRISTIANS) not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: ?A dog returns to his own vomit,? and, ?a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.? (2 Peter 2:20)
Summary: We all have to REMEMBER these words of God in the HOLY Scripture:
See to it that no one falls short of the GRACE of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many. Hebrews 12:15
2 Corinthians 6:1
As God's co-workers we urge you not to receive God's grace in VAIN.
Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have FALLEN AWAY from grace.
So, HOW do we KNOW the TRUE doctrines of God and false doctrines/teachings?
How do we discern what is right and what is false?
If it is in the Bible then it is TRUE. If it is NOT in the Bible then it is FALSE and FAKE and a false teaching.
How to understand what is a false doctrine and what is right?
We all have to KNOW what God said in the Bible! All days of our life we have to commit to STUDYING the words of God to REJECT what is FALSE and to IMPLEMENT what God said in the Bible to avoid falling away from the GRACE of God- salvation with He gave us through the FAITH in the Creator of the universe- Jesus- and to be READY to enter the Kingdom of God as HOLY sons of God.
One man said:
"... we are still a work in process being prepared by Him and for Him".
If we do NOT want to be deceived by FALSE doctrines/false prophets/ heresies, leading us DIRECTLY to hell, we HAVE to know the Bible. We have to KNOW the Author of the Bible and REJECT EVERYTHING what is against the words of God in the HOLY Bible!
Many Christians are deceived by cults because they do NOT know the words of God in the Holy Bible! Thousands Christians are deceived by false prophets in America and around the world! I talked to such false prophets calling them to come to senses and REJECT false doctrines and their deception and return to God!
NOT only cults/false prophets/false teachers try to deceive us but even some people WITHIN the Church try to deceive us (1 John 2):
Deceptions of the Last Hour:
18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many ****antichrists**** have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us ***CHRISTIANS***, but they were NOT of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went OUT that they might be made MANIFEST, that NONE of them were of us.
20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a LIAR but he who DENIES that Jesus is the Christ? He is ANTICHRIST who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
Let Truth Abide in You
24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that He has promised us eternal life.
26 These things I have written to you concerning THOSE who try to deceive you. 27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.
The Children of God
28 And now, little children, abide in Him, that when He (CHRIST) appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming. 29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.
We have MANY Bible verses which instruct us what we should do if we face with FALSE doctrines. Let's analyze them today:
In the Tread "Virgin Birth from Babylon added to the bible?" we discussed a cult which teaches CONTRARY to what God said in the Bible.
But God CLEARLY WARNED us that if we add anything to His words or take away, then we do NOT inherit the Kingdom of God.
Let me remind you what our God Jesus said to ANYONE of us:
****God issues a WARNING today for EVERYONE****
A WARNING of the SON of GOD:
A Warning!
18 For I (JESUS) testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Rev 22
In the Tread "Virgin Birth from Babylon added to the bible?" we discussed with a cult member his statements that Jesus was NOT incarnated in flesh upon His birth but upon His baptism. This is just one of FALSE doctrines of those who twist the Scripture and take away from the Scripture...These are doctrines of demons/deceiving spirits! This is satanic!
But our Holy Scripture says:
Beware of Antichrist Deceivers
7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the FLESH. This is a deceiver and an ANTICHRIST.
(Guys, do you remember that this man of the above-mentioned cult insisted that the SON of God was NOT incarnated in the human flesh during His Birth!!!! He rejected even His holy birth from a VIRGIN Mary!!! God CLEARLY said in the Scripture that this man like his cult-followers are ANTICHRISTS!!!!! So, you had a chance to talk to ONE of antichrists!!! I even prayed about his salvation! LOL)
8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the DOCTRINE of Christ does NOT have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does NOT bring THIS doctrine, do NOT receive him into your house NOR greet him; 11 for he who greets him SHARES in his evil deeds.
2 John 1
These people are deceived and they deceive other people and they are being deceived by their own false teachings...and even in the CHURCH i.e. among Christians!
So, let's continue analysis of the Holy Scripture:
1 Timothy 1:3
As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine...
In Churches!!!!!
Galatians 1:6-10
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a DIFFERENT gospel? not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to DISTORT the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel CONTRARY to the one we preached to you, let him be ACCURSED. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel CONTRARY to the one you received, let him be accursed. For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time is coming when people will not endure SOUND teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves TEACHERS to suit their own passions, and will turn AWAY from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for MANY false prophets have gone out into the world.
But there were also FALSE prophets AMONG the people, even as there will be false teachers among YOU (CHRISTIANS), who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift DESTRUCTION. And MANY will follow their destructive ways (2 Peter 2:1,2).
Jesus warned: Then MANY false prophets will rise up and deceive many (Matthew 24:11). The fact there are many false teachers among us and you in America and that many people listen to them is simply a fulfillment of the word of our God Jesus!
Jesus said: Beware of FALSE prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous WOLVES (Matthew 7:15).
False teachers are false not only in doctrine but also in their appearance they also call you to holiness and righteous life like God does it but their way is DESTRUCTION! They pretend to be something they are not. On the inside they are vicious wolves who kill and scatter the sheep- CHRISTIANS. But they wear a sheepskin to trick the sheep/us!
1 Timothy 6
3 If anyone teaches OTHERWISE and does not consent to wholesome words, EVEN the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with GODLINESS, 4 he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, 5 useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 - For such [are] FALSE apostles, deceitful workers, TRANSFORMING themselves into the apostles of Christ. (Read More in the Bible).
Acts 20:29 - For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you (CHRISTIANS), not sparing the flock.
Summary:
Beware of false prophets, preachers and priests! They are among us! Obey God and do NOT follow them!
Everyone who ADDS anything to the REVELATIONS of God/words of God, CLEARLY written in the HOLY BIBLE, following their desires/dreams/encounters with demons/demonic visions and dreams will be in the LAKE of FIRE. Jesus said that they do NOT inherit the Kingdom of God!
If you follow them then your end will be in the SAME Lake of Fire! LOL
Get rid of them! Transform your mind to OBEY the words of God in the HOLY Bible and reject ANYTHING what is NOT in the Bible.
BECAUSE
EVERYTHING is already SAID and WRITTEN by God in the Holy Bible!
We do NOT need any NEW Revelations! Any new emerging "prophets"! Any New prophecies of anyone which are NOT written in the Bible!
What is NEW is NOT true!
What is in the HOLY Bible is TRUE and what is NOT in the Bible is NOT true! This is FALSE doctrine! False gospel! False teachings called as heresies.
And our God Jesus WARNED us that those who spread them, do NOT inherit the Kingdom of God!
I understand your use and intent of the term you have used �a point of no return� but are you implying there is a time when God will not forgive a person any more?
On one hand and for example to support your position I use the case of Esau of whom the Scriptures say wept bitterly over his error but it was too late!
Then there is David a man after God's own heart who committed just about every sin under the sun, yet still found grace. Not only that but Jesus has said David has been given to us as a witness meaning we should try to apprehend what David became.
So what is the difference?
David always had a contrite heart before God while on the other hand Esau did not repent until he realized what he had lost. This is one more warning why we should not fall into the sin of unbelief that is not about not believing in Jesus but understanding that all things that we are commanded to do are possible and that includes overcoming sin!
Looking at other words spoken by the apostles we see where those persons who are being spoken of in Hebrews 6 are ones whose consciences have been seared meaning they no longer feel guilty before a Holy God. Consequently, they have been left to their own reprobate mind, and will face a wrath far greater than others for their rejection of so great a salvation because we who were born in sin could through the grace of God and the work of his Son on the cross overcome sin.
Clergy who tell their flock that it is impossible to overcome sin are going to held responsible for all of the sin and sad condition their churches are in.
It is not about sitting on our hands so to speak but the power and grace of God that allowed David to walk through the valley of death and fear no evil, needs to become the same hedge of protection surrounding us.
Fearing no evil is not being removed from things done against us but from becoming evil as Esau became in the eyes of the Lord ........ and is why we see so many Christians committing such horrible sins that are an embarrassment to the church, and give excuses to unbelievers not to seek after God.
Luke 17:1
Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!
Romans 1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
(1) My post is FALSE revelations of demons who transform as angels of light to deceive Christians! False doctrines which are NOT in the Holy Bible. Everything what is NOT in the Holy Bible! Thousands of �christians� hear voices in heads and they speak with �jesus� daily. They hear �his voice�. They say that he comes to them daily in their revelations/dreams/prayers. What a madness! EVERYTHING is said in the Bible. Jesus is at the right hand of His Father in their Kingdom and if He comes in dreams/visions to Muslims then only to convert them. All other encounters with anyone who claims to be Jesus should be questioned, analyzed and rejected! Because even Jesus WARNED us that satan and his servants demons come as angels of LIGHT to kill and deceive even the elect! Those who hear voices in head they should be in madhouses! Because God does NOT speak to us in audible voice as He talked to Moses and prophets! He talked to Moses and then Moses went and communicated messages of God to people! Today is the same! God does NOT speak to us in any other way except through His words said in the HOLY Bible and though godly Christians! All other �conversations� with God are just a symptoms of what you call schizophrenia. So many times I talked to such mad people!
I will make for you an illustration:
(2) You said: "I understand your use and intent of the term you have used �a point of no return� but are you implying there is a time when God will not forgive a person any more?"
Let me explain: God fixed for EVERYONE of us such "Point of NO RETURN".
God commands you to repent. You do not repent and continue in sin spreading your false doctrinesб being sure that you are a new prophet, for example. God speaks to us through the Holy Bible and Christians. So, He told you to repent through Christians and the Bible but you reject and prefer sex with сchildren...your prefer your sins and NOT God.
One man came to a pastor in a church and said: Will God forgive me my illicit sex with children/addiction to pornography? The pastor told him something like that: Yes, if you will repent and TURN from sins ABANDINING them. The next day this man was found dead. He committed a suicide and shot himself dead. Why? God gave him time to repent. But he failed to do that. He failed to abandon his sins. Why? Was it so difficult to do? No. God said the reason why it happened:
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light (JESUS) has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.� John 3.
Those who practice sins and live in sins do NOT come to JESUS! Lest their deeds should be exposed. They LOVE darkness more than LIGHT Jesus because their deeds are evil. This is true.
If we live in sins, we do NOT go to Jesus asking Him to forgive us. We prefer our sexual immorality�our sins�revelations and visions of demons�.
But look what Jesus said to such �sexual immoral people�:
�These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword (These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life JESUS): 13 �I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan�s throne is. And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. 14 But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the DOCTRINE of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit SEXUAL immorality. 15 Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I HATE. 16 REPENT, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth. Rev 2
�These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass: 19 �I know your works, love, service, faith, and your patience; and as for your works, the last are more than the first. 20 Nevertheless I have a few things AGAINST you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a PROPHETESS, to teach and seduce My servants to commit SEXUAL immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her TIME to REPENT of her sexual immorality, and she did NOT repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. 23 I will KILL her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works. Rev 2
And I gave her TIME to REPENT! God Jesus gives us time to repent and get rid of our false prophecies CANING our mind and TURNING from our sins to God and the Holy Bible, ABANDONING our lovers, sexual immorality and false doctrines. If we do NOT repent then our life ends and this is a POINT of NO RETURN.
Summary: VERY word uttered on behalf of God will be judged by Him during the Judgment Day! If you ASCRIBE to GOD anything whether it be interpretation of the Bible prophecies or visions, dreams, or any �healing ministry� then inevitably God will hold you accountable for these words!!!!
If you will NOT repent and abandon your false demonic doctrines communicated to you by your fevered imagination, sick brain and demons then you will reach soon the point of NO RETURN!
Thus, a criterion, set up by God, to measure ANYTHING in our life is the HOLY BIBLE! If what you say is NOT in the Bible then it is a FALSE doctrine! This is what leads you DIRECTLY to hell. This is a deception of the last days Jesus warned us about! This is the END of your way because you are approaching the POINT of NO RETURN. Return to God unfaithful wife because He is married unto you.
God speaks:
� Surely, as a wife treacherously departs from her husband,
So have you dealt treacherously with Me,
�.
�Return, you backsliding children,
And I will heal your backslidings.�
It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a HUSBAND to them," declares the LORD. �
