5 But the rest of the DEAD did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the FIRST resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Revelation 20
But the rest of the dead did not live again....
In a few verses ahead God said about "the souls of those who had been BEHEADED for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image , and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands."
And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
What do we see here?
People were beheaded ..they are DEAD..and they will LIVE AGAIN to reign during the Millenium Reign of Christ on our planet.
Everything is CREAR as the day. DEAD people will LIVE again. That is called by us as RESURRECTION.
SECOND Resurrection:
12 And I saw the DEAD, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
The First resurrection is the raising of all unbelievers/Christians. The Second resurrection is connected to the second death. It corresponds with Jesus' teaching of the "resurrection of damnation" (John 5:29).
John 5:29
29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.
Ok, let's listen to Jesus:
Life and Judgment Are Through the Son
24 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the DEAD will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will LIVE.
26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.
28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the GRAVES will hear His voice 29 and come forth?those who have done good, to the resurrection of LIFE, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of CONDEMNATION.
John 5
Ok, everything is CLEAR.
Now, let me speak this way:
Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the DEAD?
But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen.
nd if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also EMPTY.
Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up?if in fact the dead do not rise. For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are STILL in your SINS!
But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's AT HIS COMING (JESUS' RETURN).
Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet.
How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?
Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies.
And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain?perhaps wheat or some other grain. But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body.
All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.
There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
So also is the resurrection of the DEAD. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption.
It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in GLORY. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in POWER.
It is sown a natural body, it is raised a SPIRITUAL BODY.
There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
As was the man of dust (ADAM), so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man (JESUS), so also are those who are heavenly.
And as we have borne the image of the man of dust (ADAM), we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man (JESUS).
1 Cor. 15
So, it is clear what we will be resurrected in spiritual bodies...some kind of glorious and powerful bodies..updated versions of what we have today.
Original post by Doug:
"Also, the "second resurrection" of the dead that takes place on Meanwhile for those who worship God in spirit and in truth are content knowing through Jesus coming again and into them via the blessing of Pentecost, has through His love for us turned former enemies of God into His footstool lifting up hands and worshiping Him all the days of their lives."
LOL. Who are enemies of God who will be a "footstool" of Jesus?
We are heirs of God/sons of God.
Why do the NATIONS rage,
And the people plot a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,
3 "Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us."
He who sits in the heavens shall laugh;
The Lord shall hold them in derision.
5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath,
And distress them in His deep displeasure:
6 "Yet I have set My King
On My holy hill of Zion."
7 "I will declare the decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
"You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
8 Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.
9 You shall break them with a rod of iron;
You shall dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel.""
Psalm 3
The Lord (YHVH)said to my Lord (ADONAY-JESUS),
"Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool."
2 The Lord shall send the rod of Your strength out of Zion (ISRAEL).
(1) Jesus has died and has risen, so we know that our resurrected bodies in some way will resemble His resurrection body. To what extent, we cannot be certain. We will be like He is and still we will be clearly recognizable.
Jesus' resurrected body gives us an idea of what our resurrected bodies will be.
(2) Will be DEAD bodies resurrected? Yes. This is the basics of Christianity.
(3) Will be the Church/Christians raptured?
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I tell you a MYSTERY: We shall NOT all sleep (DIE), but we shall all be changed (CHANGED!!!) in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound, and the DEAD will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be CHANGED.
For this corruptible must PUT ON incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."
1 Cor. 15
This is a Christian concept which we call the "Rapture of the Church" and the FIRST Resurrection.
"I agree with member "John" that the doctrine of the rapture is tied to the resurrection as it is currently being taught, but that does not mean the church must be physically removed for it to happen. Instead, either upon one's natural death, or before for at least some Christians who will be "caught up to be with the Lord" as experienced by both Paul and John without there being any record of them being physically taken anywhere. Even though they spoke of their experiences as if they were physically present with Jesus, He had already returned to the Glory He had prior to being made "a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death," and is now "Spirit" appearing where and how through His own choosing."
Now we have to consider what Doug said above.
Original post by Doug:
"I agree with member "John" that the doctrine of the rapture is tied to the resurrection as it is currently being taught, but that does not mean the church must be physically removed for it to happen. Instead, either upon one's natural death, or before for at least some Christians who will be "caught up to be with the Lord" as experienced by both Paul and John without there being any record of them being physically taken anywhere."
That is EXACTLY what dangerous cults teach!!!!! Note that! Instead, either upon one's natural death!!!!
Yes. Let me show you some examples. Do you remember these events:
Many cults have committed such mass suicides and that have been called cults include Heaven's Gate, Order of the Solar Temple (74 deaths), and Peoples Temple (in the Jonestown incident).
Heaven's Gate (over 39 deaths): In 1997, 39 followers of Heaven's Gate died in a mass suicide. These people believed, according to the teachings of their cult, that through their suicides they were "exiting their human vessels" so that their souls could go on a journey aboard a spaceship they believed to be following comet Hale-Bopp. Some male members of the cult underwent voluntary castration in preparation for the genderless life they believed awaited them after the suicide.
In 1978, 918 Americans died, including 909 members of the ?temple?, led by Jim Jones, in Jonestown, Guyana. The dead included 303 children. A tape of the Temple's final meeting in a Jonestown pavilion contains repeated discussions of the group committing "revolutionary suicide," including reference to people taking the poison and the vats to be used.
The Waco siege was a siege of a compound belonging to the religious group Branch Davidians by American federal and Texas state law enforcement and military between February 28 and April 19, 1993.
There are MANY such cases how dangerous "wolves" killed people created by God. Let me remind you that murderers do NOT inherit the Kingdom of God!
Why their cult leaders- in fact murderers- did kill people? Because they were unbelievers misleading people from what God said in the Holy Bible.
You see what he said: "that does not mean the church must be physically removed for it to happen. Instead, either upon one's natural death".
So, to avoid any misunderstanding, let's listen ONLY to JESUS and not to any cults leaders who pretend to be Christians!
For the Lord (JESUS) Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the TRUMPET of God, and the DEAD in Christ will RISE first. 17Then we who are ALIVE and REMAIN will be CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.1 Thessalonians 4
So, the events here are CLEAR to everyone:
(1) Jesus returns/His Second Coming.
(2) When? At the trumpet of God.
(3) DEAD people/Christians will rise/resurrect.
(4) Those who will be alive and not dead will CHANGED (1 Cor. 15). ...TRANSFORMED.
(5) These transformed Christians will be CAUGHT UP together with the FIRST GROUP of RESURRECTED DEAD people in the clouds.
(6) All Christians will be with God Jesus.
This is what we call the Rapture of the Church and if you do NOT believe that Christians will be resurrected then your faith is FUTILE. Read above how our Holy Scripture stated that.
Original post by Doug:
"Even though they spoke of their experiences as if they were physically present with Jesus, He had already returned to the Glory He had prior to being made "a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death," and is now "Spirit" appearing where and how through His own choosing."
Let me remind you that God is SPIRIT and Jesus is God i.e. a Spiritual Being.
Was He in His "Spiritual Form" upon His resurrection? NO!
38 And He (JESUS) said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39"See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does NOT have flesh and bones as you see that I have." 40 And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.Luke 24.
So here we see that Jesus Himself refutes statements of Doug.
Jesus had and has now some kind of resurrected body which acts as Spirit and body at the same time. The Scripture promised that we will have the same bodies called in the Scripture as "spiritual bodies".
Summary: Let me repeat, "Jesus has died and has risen, so we know that our resurrected bodies in some way will resemble His resurrection body. To what extent, we cannot be certain. We will be like He is and still we will be clearly recognizable. Jesus' resurrected body gives us an idea of what our resurrected bodies will be."
This is what you call Christianity because it is proved by the Holy Words of God in the Bible.
All other versions/speculations/statements are false teachings/false doctrines/heresies of the last day to kill Christians like many cult leaders have already killed them as we see it above in my examples I gave you to consider.
His post and my response to him to WARN you Christians who communicate with him here in this Forum:
Maria,
Unfortunately you never heard Christ descending with a shout telling you to ?come up hither?. Consequently, you remain stuck in a outer court relationship with God. The same outer court that is not measured when God sends John to inspect His temple on earth.
In the book of Revelation when John is given a read to measure the progress of the Temple being built without hands, he is told not to include the outer court. So why was John told not to include the outer court with the all-important altar and water basin that are prophetic metaphors of the cross and our water baptism?
This is because the outer court represents people like you who have not gone any further than going to the cross for the forgiveness of sins that is for everyone, and a water baptism that by itself does not constitute obedience nor the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Having known you for a while I can say this is because you need to be beheaded of you're earthly and condescending mind and attitude always thinking you have it right when you're so far out in left field you never saw the ball go by you.
FYI your physical body is nothing and will return to the dust it came from . On the other hand your soul is a spiritual body for your spirit. Together they make up rooms of a ?tabernacle? covered with the ?skins of animals? as seen in the Old Testament tabernacle in the wilderness. Unfortunately, the soul of man is as unclean as the spirit of man is, and is therefore mortal. Consequently, it must put on what is immortal and only the soul (mind, will and emotions) of Christ is an eternal mind (soul).
It is impossible for the unclean spirit of man to ever produce the mind of Christ and this is why those who have the testimony of Christ (the Holy Spirit leading their lives) have been beheaded of they're earthly minds and have put on what is heavenly. You still need to learn how 'being in heaven' does not mean being someplace physically and is why when Jesus Christ was standing on earth he said he was in heaven for the same reason the apostles said their citizenship identified them as being from heaven while they were ministering to people on earth.
Philippians 3:20
For OUR CONVERSATION IS IN HEAVEN; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
Romans 10:6
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, WHO SHALL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN? (THAT IS, TO BRING CHRIST DOWN FROM ABOVE:)
Take a look in a good lexicon for what the uppercase words meant in the original language and ask yourself why the apostles look for the Lord to appear to them on earth. For that matter the clouds of smoke coming from the incense burning that the Bible tells us represents the prayers of the saints are the same clouds that God always appeared to Moses in, are the same clouds where God through Jesus will appear to the Saints today without them ever physically leaving Earth.
This is also why Paul says for us to ascend unto heaven means to call Christ down for the same reason the wife prepared for her husband is seen coming down from heaven to earth where those with the Holy Spirit who have been waiting for her will put on Christ receiving the fullness of their inheritance. Meanwhile, 99.9% in your churches teach that they are the bride of Christ that will physically ascend to heaven which is contrary to the purpose of God's plan and what is the message behind why the BRIDE FOR CHRIST for the completion of the tabernacle of God appearing on earth and SEEN WITH MEN in the book of Revelation 22 is COMING DOWN FROM HEAVEN to earth and not the other way around !!!
It seems that the OP had at least some of this figured out but going by her join date and by her last post some 6 weeks ago it seems that she has allowed her subscription to expire under her own choice.
I can relate to her difficulties as it is not easy to continue to remain civil towards people whom you care about but then call you all kinds of names or tell you you're going to * such as you have done to me. It is one thing to pray for and try to help persons but to be orally brutalized online, and in what is called the church today where they are continually insulted gets old real fast. I'm not suggesting that she was always tactful, but having walked on some of same path for many years I understand how she was probably already beat up on a regular basis long before she ever came here.
Doug
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MY RESPONSE:
LOL
You said "remain stuck in a outer court relationship with God."
Are you ok and not ill? LOL
I am a heir of God through my faith in His Son Jesus.
Everything what you said in this post above is cult statements. I waited for you here in this Forum to show Christians how people like you pervert His Holy words and deceive and mislead people!
And I waited for you here and even invited to my own Forum to show you why you will be in hell unless you repent and abandon your cult and follow what is written in the Bible.
You said "99.9% in your churches teach". Right. But what is the name of your cult/sect?
Your statement about the Bride of Christ (the Church of God) is funny.
Let me tell you what our God said:
6 And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying, "Alleluia! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns!
7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb (JESUS) has come, and His wife (CHURCH)has made herself ready." 8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
Revelation 19
This is the meeting of God Jesus with the Church of God (believers).
Original post by restassured868:
"... the message behind why the BRIDE FOR CHRIST for the completion of the tabernacle of God appearing on earth and SEEN WITH MEN in the book of Revelation 22 is COMING DOWN FROM HEAVEN to earth and not the other way around !!!"
You are wrong again the Bride does NOT come down from heaven. But this is a golden city NEW JERUSALEM constructed by God for Christians:
Revelation 21
1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Then I, John, saw the holy CITY, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
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LOL You are so deceived by your cult, Doug, that you have to repent.
Because you and your cult changed EVERYTHING in the Bible and even what God said in the Revelation.
I will remind you again about the punishment of those who change the words of God:
God issues a WARNING today for EVERYONE:
A WARNING of the SON of GOD:
A Warning!
18 For I (JESUS) testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Rev 22
That is why I say:
Put aside your speculations which CONTRADICT to the HOLY words of God and Put on the NEW man who is RENEWED in KNOWLEDGE according to the image of Him (the SON of God) who created him!
Col.3:10
Because the Judge Jesus is going to judge us all for ANY word we utter in teaching or interpretation and our understanding.
We all know that.
Now we have to be responsible for our knowledge and teaching and its application in our life.
P.S.:
OP? Who is she? LOL I do not know her.
"you you're going to * such as you have done to me". Yes. I tell you and my God Jesus WARNS you today and always that you will be in hell because those who change doctrines of Christianity- what is written in the Bible- do NOT inherit the Kingdom of God unless they repent and abandon their cults!
God gave us SALVATION through our faith in the Creator of the universe Jesus. Now it is our responsibility to OBEY Him and AVOID any heresies which you showed us in your posts.
I called you to repentance. Abandon your sins of heresies/cults and do what God said in the Bible otherwise the end of your life will be accursed and you will join your cult leaders and satan in the Lake of Fire after the Judgement Of Condemnation as our God Jesus warned us about it.
I issued many warnings to you. I made you to come and hear what I was going to tell you since the FIRST moment when I met you and heard your heresies.
If you will not accept what God said in the Bible then you will be accursed. Amen.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse! Gal 1
Forum posts where we discuss with Christians what Doug said:
Maria,
You have crossed a line where I can no longer help you even if I wanted to.
Making false accusations was bad enough, but playing around with trying to put curses on someone invokes a decision going to be made in a divine court that is to say at the least very serious business indeed. For sure it is something that is way over your head.
It is not for me to judge whether or not you are a Christian, however I will say without a doubt you are the most repugnant woman I have ever met who calls herself one.
I have given the administration here a choice to make. Simply put at the end of the day either you will be gone or I will be gone.
I cannot imagine any place tolerating your persona, but even if they do does not mean I have to.
Doug
My response:
LOL
(1)"repugnant woman". Is it an insult or what? You only told me before that you like me since the first moment you saw me. LOL
(2)"false accusations". No this is what my Bible says about those who pretend to be Christians and deceive people by their false doctrines.
I repeat: We have considered the Holy Scripture which CONTRADICTS to all your statements.And I called you to repentance.
(3) "trying to put curses on someone". No I say what God said in the Bible. Let's look at that again:
"I called you to repentance. Abandon your sins of heresies/cults and do what God said in the Bible otherwise the end of your life will be accursed and you will join your cult leaders and satan in the Lake of Fire after the Judgement Of Condemnation as our God Jesus warned us about it."
Let me explain you why you will be accursed as the Bible says:
"I issued many warnings to you. I made you to come and hear what I was going to tell you since the FIRST moment when I met you and heard your heresies.
If you will not accept what God said in the Bible then you will be accursed. Amen.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse! Gal 1
Let him be accursed.
A curse be on him!
Let that person be condemned!
Let him be condemned to hell!
Let him be anathema. "
In my post above I explained that these verses are what is written in the Bible:
Let him be accursed.
A curse be on him!
Let that person be condemned!
Let him be condemned to hell!
Let him be anathema.
I wrote here: "let them be under God's curse!"
and moderators removed it.
BUT
This is what is written in New International Version of the Bible!
I didnt write here my own curses. NO! But I gave you MANY translations of this verse to show you what God says in the Bible.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!
Gal 1
I will say MORE:
New Living Translation
"Let God's curse fall on anyone..."
LOL Funny. Sorry guys. ROFL.
(4) "a divine court". YES! I show you what is the sentence of such court from where I am trying to save you:
A WARNING of the SON of GOD:
A Warning!
18 For I (JESUS) testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Rev 22
(5)"I cannot imagine any place tolerating your persona". This is another insult. LOL My God tolerates me and loves me.
Thanks for message.
Go and REPENT now, my friend.
Love ya as always.
P.S.: Hey, you do not sleep and only read what I say...? LOL
Great.
That is exactly what I want that you would READ and ANALYZE Bible verses.
Now please, my dear friend, let's go to my own Forum and consider all your misconceptions/doctrines to make you a godly man worshiping God in Spirit and Truth.
