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Posted : 17 Mar, 2014 05:16 PM

Hello everyone:



1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.



I have been to some places when they have had communion.

At each of these the people sit silently and have nothing to say about Yeshua;



Is this what breaking bread is about,Messiah had taken the sin(s) of the whole world upon Himself,was beaten beyond recognition..... John 19:5 Then came Jesus forth, wearing the crown of thorns, and the purple robe. And Pilate saith unto them, Behold the man!



Messiah was beaten with the cat-o-nine tails with 39 lashes,and had His beard ripped out...Isa_50:6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.



Yeshua was nailed to a cross...Psa 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.



The King of Glory was mocked by the crowds...Psalms 22:7

(LITV) All who see Me scornfully laugh at Me; they open the lip; they shake the head, saying,



The Son of GOD interceded between man and the Father to have the Father forgive man...Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.



Yeshua the Messiah had fulfilled ALL of the prophesies concerning the Messiah.

He had been beaten beyond recognition,been humiliated,scourged,nailed to a cross and crucified.

Messiah interceded for forgiveness with His dying breath,then died.

He had His side pierced,was buried and three days later He arose.

After Yeshua had accomplished all of this,the people have nothing to say,they just sit or stand and are SILENT,WOW,SILENT.



Not one gives thanks,not one has a song of Praise.

Not one has any Scripture to Proclaim the Son of GODS Glory.

Not one even says ' THANK YOU YESHUA for giving your life for me,the sinful one'.

Thank you for saving me from the WRATH of GOD against my unbelief.

Thank you for the UNFAIR exchange, your life for mine.



And to think the whole time the people are SILENT with nothing to say,and yet they say they WORSHIPPED Yeshua.



My what a pity.



Shalom

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Posted : 17 Mar, 2014 09:04 PM

Even sadder is that the Christian church has adopted a pagan sun worshiping ceremony to replace the Sader. Jesus did not institute Communion, it is not the Lords Supper and is not a Biblical practice.

The meal that is inappropriately called the "Last Supper" was the meal in the Sader. It was Passover not a farewell dinner. The bread Jesus broke is the traditional unleven Matza bread that is striped when baked and is pierced with holes in rows. The stripes and piercings represent his body that was beaten and pierced. The bread is broken and then passed around the table for everyone to take and eat. The cup of wine Jesus used is the third of four cups of wine in the Sader. It is called the Cup of Redemption. It is the cup He is referring to. Redemption is through His blood. It is the New Covenant in that He is the sacrificial Lamb slain so that all men may be redeemed to the Father.

I agree, it is sad that people sit in silence as if they are to be reverent when the Passover is a time of celebration. I just wish the Church would celebrate Passover instead of Communion. At least then they would be obedient to the command of Jesus to eat the bread of the Sader and drink from the Cup of Redemption.

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Posted : 18 Mar, 2014 02:25 AM

Hi SBD:



I agree,the passover is a time of celebrating the passing over of the wrath of GOD from me,unto Yeshua...(LITV) Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to flesh, but according to Spirit.



The passover meal shows the love of YHWH for man that He would slay His Son for the redemption of man,and that He would also judge mans sin in the body of His Son.



This should be a time of great joy,and a time to publicly proclaim the Glory of GOD Almighty.

But the people are told this is a solemn event and they should check themselves to see if they have any hidden and unconfessed sin.

Yet did not the Pharisees try to keep the Disciples silent.

Luk 19:39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.

Luk 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.



So sad that the 'church' has not come out from being under the law into the Grace of GOD Almighty.



Shalom

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Posted : 18 Mar, 2014 11:55 PM

A question for our "cult member":

What word do you use for "Bible" if the word "Bible" is NOT in the Bible too. :ROFL:

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Posted : 19 Mar, 2014 02:16 AM

Hi versavia:



Thank you for your sarcasm.

The word 'bible' just means 'book'.



Oh,i thought you knew that already.



Blessings

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Posted : 19 Mar, 2014 04:18 AM

You didnt understand my question brother.



How do you call the Bible if there is the Tanakh and the Torah and many other Scriptures?

Do you call it the Tanakh? LOL

No.

Do you call it as the Torah? No.

Do you call is as the Scriptures?

There are many FALSE scriptures too...



HOW do you call the Bible in your "cult"?

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Posted : 19 Mar, 2014 08:20 AM

If you do not belong to any cult/sect then I apologize for my words which make you angry. :)



God bless you.

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Posted : 19 Mar, 2014 02:21 PM

Hi versavia:



I have not been angry with you,just very disappointed that you seem to judge people; and condemn them for what they believe.



I know Messiah did not come to condemn,but to seek and to save that which is lost.



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Posted : 20 Mar, 2014 01:23 AM

You are wrong. The Church of God should judge believers too and the Scripture is VERY clear on this.



We should rebuke and judge you and correct you if you are wrong.



2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of ...

Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, REBUKE

and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction



Is It Ever Okay to Judge?

Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

� 1 Corinthians 6:2

Is there a place for judging? Are we to judge one another, and if so, on what basis? Jesus said, "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you" (Matthew 7:1�2). The Greek word Jesus used for "judge" means, "to separate, choose, select, or determine." In context, we see that Jesus is dealing primarily with motives. You cannot judge my motives, nor can I judge yours. We may have an evaluation of someone, but we can't see his or her heart.



The better translation of this statement would be, "Condemn not, that you be not condemned." I am to make judgments and evaluations, but I am not to condemn.



Our objective is to never to condemn and put down; it is to help and restore.

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Posted : 20 Mar, 2014 01:26 AM

Judge Not?

For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."

� 1 Corinthians 5:12-13

Judge not, lest you be judged. . . . We have all heard it. It is in the Bible, in Matthew 7:1, where Jesus said, "Judge not, that you be not judged."



But let's understand these words contextually. A better translation of the statement would be, "Condemn not, that you be not condemned." In other words, God is the final judge. He decides who gets into heaven and who does not. Greg Laurie doesn't decide that. You don't decide that. No one else decides that. We are not to condemn, meaning to pass final judgment.



But we are to judge, in the sense of making evaluations�even corrections when necessary�regarding fellow believers. Paul addresses this very subject in 1 Corinthians 5:



I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. . . . For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? (verses 10, 12)



Paul was saying that it is our job to judge those inside the church. But a lot of believers ignore this. They say, "Oh, no. Just be loving." But I would say that they don't really know what love is. Love cares enough to confront.



We are so into loving everyone, not even understanding what the word means, that we have lost our sense of discernment in standing up for what is right. We should do it with compassion, concern, and humility. Yet we should make the stand.

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Posted : 20 Mar, 2014 07:25 PM

@ Versavia, what do you know about cults? Have you studied them? Do you know what makes an organization a cult? What cults have you studied and how does the Church of God compare to them? Once again I am hearing you talking about something you don't take time to explain. You judge and criticize, even accuse others of being wrong but you have never actually presented a case to show that what they believe is wrong. So many Christians throw the word cult around and they have no idea what they are talking about. You always know who's going to hell and who isn't, who's in a cult and how much better what you believe is. You are a perfect image of the reason lost people don't like Christians. Christians like you are the reason I don't call myself a Christian. I don't want my character by being associated with people who can't seem to treat people with love and respect.

Your criticism doesn't even reflect the compassion and patience Jesus showed the Pharisees. You are not so perfect yourself and you have never answered any of my questions to you about the pagan and non Biblical practices in which you engage in your religion. You call yourself Evangelical? Do you intend to insult people into the Kingdom? You need to learn that it is not up to you to do the work of the Holy Spirit. You are not the one to bring conviction or condemnation. The Bible does not teach us that it is ok to be judge and jury. When the Bible talks about the judging we are to engage in it is talking about making determinations for ourselves about the difference between two things, like right and wrong, good or evil etc. We are not to judge other people's lives or beliefs to the point that we criticize them or condemn them. If there is no more condemnation for you because you are in Christ, then it is a sin for you to condemn anyone. You are commanded to live your life in such a way that people will ask you about the hope that is within you. (1 Peter 3:15)

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