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'church service' and 'worship service' What are these ?
Posted : 19 Apr, 2014 05:16 AM
Hello everyone:
A friend of mine asked me if i wanted to go to the good friday 'church service' at the local Chinese 'church'; as i have been going there for the last year.
I go to share the Word of GOD Almighty with the people.
I said that i was bored with the so called 'church service,and bored with the so called 'church'.
As the people are FANS of worship,but not ACTIVE participants,as everything has been prearranged,and picked out for the people to PERFORM.( Can anyone see this where they go).
Here is what the average 'church and worship service' resembles.
A man calling himself the 'senior pastor,or pastor',maybe even a 'church' leader,says to the people:
Let's stand,
Let me pray for us.
Lets worship,and the band plays on.
After a few minutes the man says take your seats.
There are some anouncements,
Lets stand,again the band plays on.
The so called pastor says le'ts pray;
LET'S is a contraction of two words; LET US,yet he is the only one praying.
Take your seats.
Not one person is ALLOWED,or PERMITTED to have anything to say during the so called 'church and worship service'.
After about 45 minutes to an hour of singing,and the so called pastor praying for the people,these people think they have 'WORSHIPPED' GOD Almighty.What they have accomplished is they have ENTERTAINED Messiah,and themselves,and they call that 'worship'.
I believe these people are deceived and purposely kept from knowing the truth.
Had the people been LED of the Holy Spirit,they would know that their meeting together is a farce,and far from what GOD Almighty says in His Word 1st Corinthians chapters 11-14: 30
My question is this,Where in the NEW COVENANT Scriptures will i find 'church service', or 'worship service'.
I have been reading and studying the Word of GOD for years and i cannot find a single reference to 'church service', or ' worship service'.
Maybe i might be a little dense,but GOD Almighty tells me HOW to Worship Him,and He also tells me How to meet with other believers according to 1st Corinthians chapters 11-14:30
IF the so called 'church service' and so called 'worship service' cannot be found within the annuls of the NEW COVENANT,then why do the people meet as they do?
'church service' and 'worship service' What are these ?
Posted : 19 Apr, 2014 05:34 PM
Thats just to funny...and yet really sad sister Maria...but so true...many come here telling everyone what is wrong with the "Church" today...and many forget they are "Part" of it..."The Church"...Oh the Irony...:laugh:
George shared ~ Not one person is ALLOWED,or PERMITTED to have anything to say during the so called 'church and worship service'.
*** I've learned that thats what Bible Study is for...Im not sure what type of church you attend George...I understand the frustration and thats why I left the "Mega Church" and found a "True Church"...the one I attend has a Adult Bible study every Sunday before the main Service...it is lead by "Men" as it should be and "Everyone"...yes..."Women" also may comment and share on what is being taught...Its really Awsum...Real Fellowship...maybe you could do some church hopping and research on line to find a Church such as this...its been a real blessing to me...God Bless...xo
'church service' and 'worship service' What are these ?
Posted : 19 Apr, 2014 06:45 PM
Hi Jude:
Studying the Word of GOD and meeting with the Saints of YHWH are two different things.
When you study the Word with others do you 'Break bread' with them?
Do you Speak with different languages,or prophesy,maybe maybe not.
GOD Almighty does not tell us how to meet in order to study the Word,yet He does tell His people how to meet when they ASSEMBLE to Worship Yeshua.
I find many people being critical of what i say about Worship,yet these same people will not even bother to look into the NEW COVENANT 1st Corinthians chapters 11:17 thru to 1st Corinthians 14:40.
Here is a good site concerning Worship,it is in PDF form.
The Holy Spirit had empowered A.P. Gibbs to understand from the Word of GOD what Worship of Messiah would look like in both the individual and the Assemblies of the Saints.
Yet i know, Do not confuse me with the truths in the Word of GOD; my faith is made up.
'church service' and 'worship service' What are these ?
Posted : 20 Apr, 2014 08:35 AM
1 Chronicles 16
New King James Version (NKJV)
The Ark Placed in the Tabernacle
16 So they brought the ark of God, and set it in the midst of the tabernacle that David had erected for it. Then they offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before God. 2 And when David had finished offering the burnt offerings and the peace offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the LORD. 3 Then he distributed to everyone of Israel, both man and woman, to everyone a loaf of bread, a piece of meat, and a cake of raisins.
4 And he appointed some of the Levites to minister before the ark of the LORD, to commemorate, to thank, and to praise the LORD God of Israel: 5 Asaph the chief, and next to him Zechariah, then Jeiel, Shemiramoth, Jehiel, Mattithiah, Eliab, Benaiah, and Obed-Edom: Jeiel with stringed instruments and harps, but Asaph made music with cymbals; 6 Benaiah and Jahaziel the priests regularly blew the trumpets before the ark of the covenant of God.
David�s Song of Thanksgiving
7 On that day David first delivered this psalm into the hand of Asaph and his brethren, to thank the LORD:
8 Oh, give thanks to the LORD!
Call upon His name;
Make known His deeds among the peoples!
9 Sing to Him, sing psalms to Him;
Talk of all His wondrous works!
10 Glory in His holy name;
Let the hearts of those rejoice who seek the LORD!
11 Seek the LORD and His strength;
Seek His face evermore!
12 Remember His marvelous works which He has done,
His wonders, and the judgments of His mouth,
13 O seed of Israel His servant,
You children of Jacob, His chosen ones!
14 He is the LORD our God;
His judgments are in all the earth.
15 Remember His covenant forever,
The word which He commanded, for a thousand generations,
16 The covenant which He made with Abraham,
And His oath to Isaac,
17 And confirmed it to Jacob for a statute,
To Israel for an everlasting covenant,
18 Saying, �To you I will give the land of Canaan
As the allotment of your inheritance,�
19 When you were few in number,
Indeed very few, and strangers in it.
20 When they went from one nation to another,
And from one kingdom to another people,
21 He permitted no man to do them wrong;
Yes, He rebuked kings for their sakes,
22 Saying, �Do not touch My anointed ones,
And do My prophets no harm.�[a]
23 Sing to the LORD, all the earth;
Proclaim the good news of His salvation from day to day.
24 Declare His glory among the nations,
His wonders among all peoples.
25 For the LORD is great and greatly to be praised;
He is also to be feared above all gods.
26 For all the gods of the peoples are idols,
But the LORD made the heavens.
27 Honor and majesty are before Him;
Strength and gladness are in His place.
28 Give to the LORD, O families of the peoples,
Give to the LORD glory and strength.
29 Give to the LORD the glory due His name;
Bring an offering, and come before Him.
Oh, worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness!
30 Tremble before Him, all the earth.
The world also is firmly established,
It shall not be moved.
31 Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad;
And let them say among the nations, �The LORD reigns.�
32 Let the sea roar, and all its fullness;
Let the field rejoice, and all that is in it.
33 Then the trees of the woods shall rejoice before the LORD,
For He is coming to judge the earth.[b]
34 Oh, give thanks to the LORD, for He is good!
For His mercy endures forever.[c]
35 And say, �Save us, O God of our salvation;
Gather us together, and deliver us from the Gentiles,
To give thanks to Your holy name,
To triumph in Your praise.�
36 Blessed be the LORD God of Israel
From everlasting to everlasting![d]
And all the people said, �Amen!� and praised the LORD.
Regular Worship Maintained
37 So he left Asaph and his brothers there before the ark of the covenant of the LORD to minister before the ark regularly, as every day�s work required; 38 and Obed-Edom with his sixty-eight brethren, including Obed-Edom the son of Jeduthun, and Hosah, to be gatekeepers; 39 and Zadok the priest and his brethren the priests, before the tabernacle of the LORD at the high place that was at Gibeon, 40 to offer burnt offerings to the LORD on the altar of burnt offering regularly morning and evening, and to do according to all that is written in the Law of the LORD which He commanded Israel; 41 and with them Heman and Jeduthun and the rest who were chosen, who were designated by name, to give thanks to the LORD, because His mercy endures forever; 42 and with them Heman and Jeduthun, to sound aloud with trumpets and cymbals and the musical instruments of God. Now the sons of Jeduthun were gatekeepers.
43 Then all the people departed, every man to his house; and David returned to bless his house.
Footnotes:
a. 1 Chronicles 16:22 Compare verses 8�22 with Psalm 105:1�15
b. 1 Chronicles 16:33 Compare verses 23�33 with Psalm 96:1�13
c. 1 Chronicles 16:34 Compare verse 34 with Psalm 106:1
d. 1 Chronicles 16:36 Compare verses 35, 36 with Psalm 106:47, 48
*** All the "Body"...the "Church"...the "Worship"...Oh what a Glorious event...Oh what a Glorious sight...Oh what a Glorious GOD we serve!!!... x <>< O
'church service' and 'worship service' What are these ?
Posted : 20 Apr, 2014 10:38 AM
Hi Jude:
I believe you posted this,yet none of this is necessary today as we do not need the Ark,nor Asaph,nor clergy to pray for us.
We do not need the OLD COVENANT priests, seeing that we are the Priests and Kings unto GOD Almighty.
We do not need the altar,or burnt sacrifices,nor do we need the tabernacle,ALL of this had been fulfilled / completed in Messiah,we only need Yeshua.
Regular Worship Maintained
37 So he left Asaph and his brothers there before the ark of the covenant of the LORD to minister before the ark regularly, as every day�s work required; 38 and Obed-Edom with his sixty-eight brethren, including Obed-Edom the son of Jeduthun, and Hosah, to be gatekeepers; 39 and Zadok the priest and his brethren the priests, before the tabernacle of the LORD at the high place that was at Gibeon, 40 to offer burnt offerings to the LORD on the altar of burnt offering regularly morning and evening, and to do according to all that is written in the Law of the LORD which He commanded Israel; 41 and with them Heman and Jeduthun and the rest who were chosen, who were designated by name, to give thanks to the LORD, because His mercy endures forever; 42 and with them Heman and Jeduthun, to sound aloud with trumpets and cymbals and the musical instruments of God. Now the sons of Jeduthun were gatekeepers.
1Pe_2:5 and ye yourselves, as living stones, are built up, a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
1Pe_2:9 and ye are a choice race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people acquired, that the excellences ye may shew forth of Him who out of darkness did call you to His wondrous light;
Why do you return to the OLD COVENANT in order to continue with the OLD COVENANT priests,and the law.
'church service' and 'worship service' What are these ?
Posted : 20 Apr, 2014 01:40 PM
Shared ~ Hi Jude: Studying the Word of GOD and meeting with the Saints of YHWH are two different things.
*** Really?...Elaborate please�I recall we are �Saints� and �Children� of the MOST High�and I �Study� and �Worship� with Him in Private and with others at �Church��Do you find something �Wrong� with this ???...If so please teach me and others here His Truth about it with HIS Scripture�thanx
When you study the Word with others do you 'Break bread' with them?
*** Your Original post isn�t about �Breaking Bread� and swaying from the Original Topic is a pattern of yours which shows how you have no intent on staying on your topic�As for your question�The Bible Study Group all shares in bringing something to eat for the AM Bible study�fruit�muffins etc..we have coffee�tea�fruit juice�we are gathering in Christ centered �Fellowship� to study and share about Yahshua aka Jesus and His Teachings�one could call this Breaking Bread however we don�t�Do you find something wrong with this also ???...
Do you Speak with different languages, or prophesy, maybe maybe not.
*** Do you ?...Once again�This also has nothing to do with the Original post�.I�ve watch you do this for some time now George�If you really believe you have it all figured out and everybody else is so very wrong then why don�t you teach us all His Truth about with HIS Scripture�
GOD Almighty does not tell us how to meet in order to study the Word, yet He does tell His people how to meet when they ASSEMBLE to Worship Yeshua.
*** Yahshua is God Almighty�He tells us how by how He LIVED and SACRIFICED His life�and Roze from the grave...is there something wrong with this also ???...
I find many people being critical of what i say about Worship, yet these same people will not even bother to look into the NEW COVENANT 1st Corinthians chapters 11:17 thru to 1st Corinthians 14:40.
*** It is my observation that what people find critical of what you say is your perspective of the �Cup� always being � full�meaning �Not Good Enough� or the �Right Way� from the �Church��the �Body� of Christ Jesus�I�ve read your posts for some time now and always see a pattern of �Dis-Ease� and �Criticalness� with anyone that is doing and believing what they do that some deem �Main Stream Christianity� as you do�Why does it matter to you so much ???...Do you believe these folks are distend for Hell ?...If so then Teach them WHY !!!...I�ve never read a Why you need to Come to Jesus from you �EVER!!!...Its always just Grumbling and Complaining about what everyone is or isn�t doing�Be careful George�satan just loves to fill the minds of those who �think� they are �right� with everything that is WRONG�Yahshua aka Jesus is the TRUTH the WAY and the LIFE�anything other than this is just not Biblical�
The Holy Spirit had empowered A.P. Gibbs to understand from the Word of GOD what Worship of Messiah would look like in both the individual and the Assemblies of the Saints.
*** I don�t know who this A.P. Gibbs is but I will read the info�thanx�
Yet i know, Do not confuse me with the truths in the Word of GOD; my faith is made up.
*** I�d say your mind is made up with what you believe to be right�and you are confusing the topic of discussion...George...your Topic is�
�church service' and 'worship service' What are these ?
*** What part of the Scriptures I posted from
1 Chronicles 16 do you find wrong now ???...The parts about the Ark and Old Covenant or the Gathering of the People "Church/Body" for Worship...its always BEST to post all the Scripture as to understand the Context...Context...Context of which we are to be discussing the topic of discussion...
