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Peter is not the "rock"
Posted : 22 Apr, 2014 05:30 PM

John 1:42 (KJV) And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.





In this verse we read that Peter is at the center. The Lord changed his name from Simon to Cephas. The verse gives us the interpretation of the word Cephas which means �stone.� The Message, HCSB, and the NIRV give an alternate interpretation of the word as Rock. The Greek word is �petros� which is translated as Peter throughout the entire New Testament. The only place where it is translated �stone� is here in John 1:42. There is a major reason why it is translated �stone� and not �Peter.�



One of the primary teachings of the Roman Catholic Institution is that Peter was the first Pope and this is based upon Matthew 16:18. (Mat 16:18 KJV) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. They claim that the Lord Jesus Christ had stated in Matthew 16:18 that He was going to build His church upon Peter which they call the rock. Now the word for rock in the Greek is �petra� which is only translated �rock,� 16 times in the New Testament. It is never translated Peter nor does it ever reference him.



This word �petra� is translated �rock� in reference to the Lord Jesus Christ.



(1 Cor 10:4 KJV) And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.



The reason why John 1:42 interprets �Cephas� as stone is to show that Peter is no higher than any other true believer. (1 Pet 2:5 KJV) Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. All those who are saved are called �lively stones� and look who is writing that, it is Peter, the stone. While the Roman Catholics glorify Peter, the Bible is stating that he is no more important than any other true believer. All believers are stones which are building up the spiritual house of God. While the word �petros� is translated �Peter� everywhere in the New Testament, it is very important to know why it was translated as stone here in John 1:42. The modern versions listed below completely omit and destroy that reason and that is because their two primary manuscripts, Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, are Roman Catholic manuscripts.





Modern Versions

(NIV) And he brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon son of John. You will be called Cephas" (which, when translated, is Peter).

(NASV) He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon the son of John; you shall be called Cephas" (which is translated Peter).

(THE MESSAGE) Jesus took one look up and said, "You're John's son, Simon? From now on your name is Cephas" (or Peter, which means "Rock").

(AMP) Andrew then led (brought) Simon to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, You are Simon son of John. You shall be called Cephas--which translated is Peter [Stone].

(NLT) Then Andrew brought Simon to meet Jesus. Looking intently at Simon, Jesus said, �Your name is Simon, son of John�but you will be called Cephas� (which means �Peter�).

(ESV) He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, "So you are Simon the son of John? You shall be called Cephas" (which means Peter).

(CEV) Andrew brought his brother to Jesus. And when Jesus saw him, he said, "Simon son of John, you will be called Cephas." This name can be translated as "Peter."

(NCV) Then Andrew took Simon to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon son of John. You will be called Cephas." ("Cephas" means "Peter." )

(1901 ASV) He brought him unto Jesus. Jesus looked upon him, and said, Thou art Simon the son of John: thou shalt be called Cephas (which is by interpretation, Peter).

(HCSB ) and he brought [Simon] to Jesus. When Jesus saw him, He said, "You are

Simon, son of John. You will be called Cephas" (which means "Rock").

(NIRV) And he brought Simon to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon, son of John. You will be called Cephas." Cephas means Peter (or rock).

(RSV) He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him, and said, "So you are Simon the

son of John? You shall be called Cephas" (which means Peter).

(NAB-Roman Catholic) Then he brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon the son of John; you will be called Cephas" (which is translated Peter).

(NWT- Jehovah�s Witnesses) He led him to Jesus. When Jesus looked upon him he said: �You are Simon the son of John; you will be called Ce�phas� (which is translated Peter).







Textus Receptus - Traditional Text kai hgagen auton proV ton ihsoun embleyaV de autw o ihsouV eipen su ei simwn o uioV iwna su klhqhsh khjaV o ermhneuetai petroV



Hort-Westcott - Critical Text hgagen auton proV ton ihsoun embleyaV autw o ihsouV eipen su ei simwn o uioV iwannou su klhqhsh khjaV o ermhneuetai petroVJohn 1:42 (KJV) And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.





In this verse we read that Peter is at the center. The Lord changed his name from Simon to Cephas. The verse gives us the interpretation of the word Cephas which means �stone.� The Message, HCSB, and the NIRV give an alternate interpretation of the word as Rock. The Greek word is �petros� which is translated as Peter throughout the entire New Testament. The only place where it is translated �stone� is here in John 1:42. There is a major reason why it is translated �stone� and not �Peter.�



One of the primary teachings of the Roman Catholic Institution is that Peter was the first Pope and this is based upon Matthew 16:18. (Mat 16:18 KJV) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. They claim that the Lord Jesus Christ had stated in Matthew 16:18 that He was going to build His church upon Peter which they call the rock. Now the word for rock in the Greek is �petra� which is only translated �rock,� 16 times in the New Testament. It is never translated Peter nor does it ever reference him.



This word �petra� is translated �rock� in reference to the Lord Jesus Christ.



(1 Cor 10:4 KJV) And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.



The reason why John 1:42 interprets �Cephas� as stone is to show that Peter is no higher than any other true believer. (1 Pet 2:5 KJV) Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. All those who are saved are called �lively stones� and look who is writing that, it is Peter, the stone. While the Roman Catholics glorify Peter, the Bible is stating that he is no more important than any other true believer. All believers are stones which are building up the spiritual house of God. While the word �petros� is translated �Peter� everywhere in the New Testament, it is very important to know why it was translated as stone here in John 1:42. The modern versions listed below completely omit and destroy that reason and that is because their two primary manuscripts, Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, are Roman Catholic manuscripts.





Modern Versions

(NIV) And he brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon son of John. You will be called Cephas" (which, when translated, is Peter).

(NASV) He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon the son of John; you shall be called Cephas" (which is translated Peter).

(THE MESSAGE) Jesus took one look up and said, "You're John's son, Simon? From now on your name is Cephas" (or Peter, which means "Rock").

(AMP) Andrew then led (brought) Simon to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, You are Simon son of John. You shall be called Cephas--which translated is Peter [Stone].

(NLT) Then Andrew brought Simon to meet Jesus. Looking intently at Simon, Jesus said, �Your name is Simon, son of John�but you will be called Cephas� (which means �Peter�).

(ESV) He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, "So you are Simon the son of John? You shall be called Cephas" (which means Peter).

(CEV) Andrew brought his brother to Jesus. And when Jesus saw him, he said, "Simon son of John, you will be called Cephas." This name can be translated as "Peter."

(NCV) Then Andrew took Simon to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon son of John. You will be called Cephas." ("Cephas" means "Peter." )

(1901 ASV) He brought him unto Jesus. Jesus looked upon him, and said, Thou art Simon the son of John: thou shalt be called Cephas (which is by interpretation, Peter).

(HCSB ) and he brought [Simon] to Jesus. When Jesus saw him, He said, "You are

Simon, son of John. You will be called Cephas" (which means "Rock").

(NIRV) And he brought Simon to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon, son of John. You will be called Cephas." Cephas means Peter (or rock).

(RSV) He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him, and said, "So you are Simon the

son of John? You shall be called Cephas" (which means Peter).

(NAB-Roman Catholic) Then he brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon the son of John; you will be called Cephas" (which is translated Peter).

(NWT- Jehovah�s Witnesses) He led him to Jesus. When Jesus looked upon him he said: �You are Simon the son of John; you will be called Ce�phas� (which is translated Peter).







Textus Receptus - Traditional Text kai hgagen auton proV ton ihsoun embleyaV de autw o ihsouV eipen su ei simwn o uioV iwna su klhqhsh khjaV o ermhneuetai petroV



Hort-Westcott - Critical Text hgagen auton proV ton ihsoun embleyaV autw o ihsouV eipen su ei simwn o uioV iwannou su klhqhsh khjaV o ermhneuetai petroV

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Peter is not the "rock"
Posted : 23 Apr, 2014 02:24 PM

Amen!...AMEN!!!...it is the "faith" that Peter has that LORD Jesus is building HIS Church upon...xo

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Peter is not the "rock"
Posted : 23 Apr, 2014 03:59 PM

Hello everyone:



The 'ROCK' upon which Messiah would build His ASSEMBLY was not Peters faith,

The 'ROCK' was the revealed truth that Messiah is the Anointed Messiah.



Upon that truth Messiah would build His ASSEMBLY,and the gates of Hell would not OVERCOME His building that ASSEMBLY.





Mat 16:16 And answering, Simon Peter said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Mat 16:17 And answering, Jesus said to him, Blessed are you, Simon, son of Jonah, for flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but My Father in Heaven.



Blessings

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Peter is not the "rock"
Posted : 23 Apr, 2014 05:57 PM

Nope! That is false doctrine.

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Peter is not the "rock"
Posted : 23 Apr, 2014 09:31 PM

What is false doctrine ?...Peters Faith in Christ Jesus or Peter Revealing that Christ Jesus is the Messiah ???...xo

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Peter is not the "rock"
Posted : 25 Apr, 2014 05:01 AM

The 'ROCK' was the revealed truth that Messiah is the Anointed Messiah.



He is RIGHT, guys.



Petros meaning "stone". This is a translation used in most versions of the New Testament of the name Cephas, meaning "stone" in Aramaic, which was given to the apostle Simon by Jesus (compare Matthew 16:18 and John 1:42).



But who is the STONE of Israel and our Stone and Rock?

The Founder of the Church of God is Jesus.

Christ is the builder or founder of the New Testament Church and He calls this Church His Church.



For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.

Ephesians 5:23



Psalms 78:35

And they remembered that God was their rock, And the Most High God their Redeemer.



4and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.1 Corinthians 10:4



"The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be my God, the Rock, my Savior!

2 Samuel 22:47



2 Samuel 22:3

my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation. He is my stronghold, my refuge and my savior-- from violent people you save me.



Psalm 89:26

He will call out to me, 'You are my Father, my God, the Rock my Savior.'



Be my rock of refuge, to which I can always go; give the command to save me, for you are my rock and my fortress.

Psalm 71:3



30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone (JESUS). 33 As it is written:



�Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone (JESUS) and rock of offense (JESUS),

And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.� Romans 9



The Lord of hosts (JESUS), Him you shall hallow;

Let Him be your fear,

And let Him be your dread.

14 He will be as a sanctuary,

But a STONE of stumbling and a ROCK of offense

To both the houses of Israel,

As a trap and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

15 And many among them shall stumble;

They shall fall and be broken,

Be snared and taken.�

Isaiah 8



16 Therefore thus says the Lord God:



�Behold, I lay in Zion a STONE (JESUS) for a foundation,

A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation;

Whoever believes will not act hastily.

Isaiah 28

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