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Posted : 12 May, 2014 05:36 PM

Hello everyone:



I believe many people have heard this verse of Scripture,yet most may not have only one understanding of this Word of GOD

(KJV) My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.



Here the word 'destroyed' may not just have the meaning of being destroyed / ruined;

It also has the understanding of being 'SILENCED'.



English- destroyed-ruined

Hebrew-damah

Original Word: דָּמָה

Part of Speech: Verb

Transliteration: damah

Phonetic Spelling: (daw-mam')

Short Definition: ruined

NAS Exhaustive Concordance

Word Origin

a prim root

Definition

to cease, cause to cease, cut off, destroy

NASB Translation

cease (1), completely cut off (1), cut off (2), destroy (1), destroyed (1), perish (2), ruined (5), silenced (1), unceasingly* (1).



Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

cease, be cut down off, destroy, be brought to silence, be undone, utterly



A primitive root; to be dumb or silent; hence, to fail or perish; trans. To destroy -- cease, be cut down (off), destroy, be brought to silence, be undone, X utterly.



NOW when the christians meet together,how many people have the opportunity to become an ACTIVE participant and share from the Word of GOD that which the Holy Spirit has revealed to that person,NOBODY but the 'pastor' and or 'worship band'.



This silence does not show respect,or piety,but rather that they have been silenced into their own destruction.

When the people break bread not one publicly gives thanks,yet the pastor says LET me pray.



Deu_16:16 Three times in a year shall all your males appear before Jehovah your God in the place which He shall choose: In the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and in the Feast of Weeks and in the Feast of Tabernacles. And they shall not

appear before Jehovah empty,



How far has the 'church' moved away from Yeshua,and His Word.

When believers want to bring the truth of the Word of GOD to the people,these are called rebels,insurrectionists and unbelievers.



The people continue drinking the kool aid of those trained in cemetery oopppsss seminary,yet they reject the meat of the Word being offered to them FREELY,by those being EMPOWERED of the Holy Spirit.



So sad.

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Posted : 12 May, 2014 06:24 PM

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I find it means �Destroy� ...Im not sure where you get the �silence� from because that is not what the Strongs says�.Possibly you are RE-Translating Scripture or RE-Interpreting it ???...or comparing Strongs with another Translation�Oh�I see now�you found that word in the (NASB Translation) which is �Another Translation��Not �THE� �Translation��Either way�the Hebrew WORD Daham simply means �Destroy��anything added to the meaning is just that�added�and it doesn�t hold Salt�IMHO�.Hey!!!...Has anyone ever noticed that certain translations of the Bible leave out Words and Complete Verses?...Thats why I stick to the AKJV�supplementing with the NKJV and sometimes use the ESV�these are all Literal Translations and not RE-worded Translations which I�ve noticed conveys a Whole different meaning of the Scriptured WORD�



STRONGS � H1820 - DAHAM �

1. to cease, cause to cease, cut off, destroy, perish

1. (Qal)

1. to cease

2. to cause to cease, destroy

2. (Niphal)

1. to be cut off

2. to be undone, be cut off at sight of the theophany



*** Yup!!!...Don't find the word "silent" in Strongs...

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Posted : 13 May, 2014 03:00 AM

Hi Jude:



Thank you for your reply.

I hate to burst your bubble but you posted a Brown Driver Briggs definition.

H1820

&#1491;&#1468;&#1502;&#1492;

da&#770;ma&#770;h

BDB Definition:

1) to cease, cause to cease, cut off, destroy, perish

1a) (Qal)

1a1) to cease

1a2) to cause to cease, destroy

1b) (Niphal)

1b1) to be cut off

1b2) to be undone, be cut off at sight of the theophany

Part of Speech: verb

A Related Word by BDB/Strong�s Number: a primitive root





Here is the Strongs definition.



Strongs

H1820

&#1491;&#1468;&#1502;&#1492;

da&#770;ma&#770;h

daw-maw'

A primitive root; to be dumb or silent; hence to fail or perish; transitively to destroy: - cease, be cut down (off), destroy, be brought to silence, be undone, X utterly.



Jude,remember to always trace a word back to its roots.



Shalom

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Posted : 13 May, 2014 03:38 AM

:waving:...Your a funny guy George...The Translation I used comes from the James Strongs LLD., S.T.D "first Printed 1982" Thomas Nelson Publishers Copyright 1990 which "Roots" are in Strongs, James , 1822-1894 New Strong's exhaustive concordance of the Bible...Its a Book not a software...and it still doesn't have the word "Silent" in it. Im just supplying the info and its not my concern if you agree or disagree with it...I'm just the messenger not the author... ;) ...Hava a Great day!!!... X <>< O

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Posted : 13 May, 2014 03:53 AM

One last point...you shared ~ Here the word 'destroyed' may not just have the meaning of being destroyed / ruined;



It also has the understanding of being 'SILENCED'.



*** Its apparent to me that you "understand" the meaning of the word to be "Silenced" and that is your "understanding" and not the same as "Translation" of the Word...May God grant to you understanding about this...We do not need to "Re-Translate" a "Translation" of Scripture...We all need to Pray and ask for "Understanding"...May Yahweh richly Bless you...



Proverbs 23:23 (KJV)

23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.



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Posted : 13 May, 2014 10:57 AM

:ROFL:



Jude our George can translate only into Chinese... LOL

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Posted : 13 May, 2014 12:10 PM

What is sad is your disposition!! Sometimes I find you self elevating and insulting of others and therefore ineffective in your approach.



While you bury yourself in the scriptures Id admonish you to revisit

the scriptures about loving, gentleness, hautiness and boasting.



But I would like to thank you for one thing. Youve caused me to LOOK AT MYSELF.

I will strive to be better. I will strive to be more like Jesus.

matthew 5:5-7, habakkah 3:19



May the good Lord forgive me when Ive fallen to my flesh and failed to glorify him!!! Have mercy on me Elohim. In Jesus precious name. Amen



Psalm 19:14



14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.

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Posted : 13 May, 2014 02:43 PM

Hi Jude:

I still stand by what i had posted.

I had looked into my Strongs Exhaustive Nelson Publisher 1990

Library of Congress Catalog Publication Data

Strong's James 1822-1894

New Strong's Exhaustive concordance of the Bible.



Yep,still says Hebrew# 1820 damah-dawmah;

H1820

&#1491;&#1468;&#1502;&#1492;

da&#770;ma&#770;h

daw-maw'

A primitive root; to be dumb or silent; hence to fail or perish; transitively to destroy: - cease, be cut down (off), destroy, be brought to silence, be undone, X utterly.



I do not try to elevate myself as pie thinks,i only want the people to be knowing the truth within the Scriptures.



I think people are afraid to translate the Word of GOD,as they might read something which goes against what they have been believing.



Chesed

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Posted : 13 May, 2014 02:46 PM

Hi Versavia:



This one is just for you.





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Posted : 13 May, 2014 02:55 PM

Well George..Your still a funny guy...Your need to be right is just that your need...not God's...Be blessed while you stand firm in Translating translations...and I will stand firm upon the ROCK knowing my need to be right doesnt hold salt compared to my need for HIM...Thank you and Praise you Sweet Yahshau...aka Jesus...xo

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Posted : 13 May, 2014 10:06 PM

I love Jude how you help him. Great job. :applause:



George I do not see what you tried to write there for me? Did you try to translate this verse in Chinese? LOL

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