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Does GOD Almighty exalt the Preacher above the Body of believerss
Posted : 15 May, 2014 03:38 PM
Hello everyone:
I have copied and posted the following article from Batteredsheep.com.;seeing that my English grammar is nor very good,nor is my command of the computer( I need a 4 year old to show me how to use my phone,and a 5 year old to show me how to use the computer).
I may not agree with everything written,yet i do agree with the Word of GOD
(KJV) But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
(LITV) But do not you be called Rabbi, for One is your Leader, the Christ, and you are all brothers.
Where Does God Exalt The Office Of 'Preacher'?
Does 1 Corinthians 14 Instruct Us On 'How To Gather'?
by Jon Zens
Is it possible that both Protestant and Catholic worship-styles are oblivious to New Testament patterns? Catholicism puts the sacrament on center stage and includes a homily by a priest. For the most part, in Protestantism worship services everything rallies around the sermon, which is delivered from behind a pulpit. Generally, the office of preacher has been exalted. Is such exaltation warranted from the Scriptures we claim to be sufficient for all faith and practice?
We claim that the NT documents provide God-inspired direction for the New Covenant people of God, just as the OT Scriptures structured life for Israel. But where do these writings ever reveal what has traditionally come to be known as the centrality of preaching? Where is the office of preacher exalted? If these traditions cannot be found in the Bible, why do we get our feathers so ruffled when they are questioned? Why is questioning the inordinate focus on one person's sermon tantamount to challenging motherhood, apple pie, and even God Himself? Please consider with me the following points, and see if some light from the Lord's Word does not emerge that should drive us to view church in a new light.
The sermon as traditionally practiced, in which a clergy person usually gives a message from behind a large, wooden object, originated from Greek, not Biblical, sources. There is nothing revealed in God's Word about the primacy and exaltation of a specialist who issues forth a monologue Sunday after Sunday. Roughly in the period of 200-300 A.D. the sermon emerged as central in Christian gatherings. But the cue for this practice was taken, not from the Lord's inspired apostles, but from Greek culture. As one author noted, "The sermon was the result of syncretism--the fusion of the Biblical necessity of teaching with the unbiblical Greek notion of Rhetoric." [Edwin Hatch notes] Such are the indications of the influence of Greek Rhetoric upon the early churches. It created the Christian sermon. (Kevin Craig, "Is the Sermon Concept Biblical?", Searching Together, 15:1-2, 1986, p.28; citing Hatch, The Influence of Greek Ideas On Christianity, Peter Smith, 1970, p.113).
The Greek verbs used in the NT to portray preaching are found overwhelmingly in situations which are outside church meetings and evangelistic in nature (cf. Eric Wright, "Terms Used to Describe Apostolic Communication in the Book of Acts", Searching Together, 13:2, 1984, pp. 7-8). One of the few places where "proclaim" (Greek, kataggello) is used in an ekklesia setting is in 1 Cor. 11:26, and this action is accomplished by the gathered body, not by one person's sermon. The Greek words used for what goes on in an assembly meeting carry with them a mutuality: pray together, instruct one another, sing with one another, exhort and comfort one another, care for one another, eat with one another, etc. Preaching in settings outside of Christian gatherings is more one-way in that unbelievers hear the gospel announced, although discussion and give-and-take are certainly present also. Paul does charge Timothy to preach the word, but it must be kept in mind that he was an itinerant evangelist, not a resident elder. If you check out the references to Timothy in the NT, you will see that he was a person on the move, not having a resident ministry in one place. If preaching primarily takes place outside of Christian meetings, on what basis can we exalt the office of preacher within the church?
Some point to Acts 20:7-12 as an example of the centrality of preaching, a time when Paul spoke for a long time. But it must be noted that v.7 specifically states that the purpose of their coming together on the first day of the week was to break bread, not to hear a sermon. There were special circumstances surrounding this particular meeting, for it was the last time Paul would ever see them. I'm sure if Paul came to your assembly, you would want to prolong your time together in order to hear what he had to say. Further, the verb used here, dialegomai, from which we derive our English word dialogue, implies give-and-take with the listeners. What Paul said provided the substance of the gathering, but he did not talk non-stop for hours. There would have been discussion and audience participation (cf. Norrington, To Preach or Not to Preach, pp. 9,100).
The Greek word for "preacher" (one who heralds a message) is used three times in the NT, and has evangelism in the forefront. Paul twice designates himself as a herald (1 Tim. 2:7; 2 Tim. 1:11), and connects his mission to the Gentiles and his sufferings with this function. In 2 Pet. 2:5 Noah is called a preacher of righteousness, However, he was not preaching to the choir members, but to a doomed, unbelieving generation. Again, from the scant use of the word preacher in the NT, there is no basis to exalt this function in the midst of assembly meetings.
1 Cor. 14 reveals an open kind of gathering, with no one person presiding, and with multiple participation from the body. Well, if the traditional sermon is removed from our meeting, what is to take its place? Without the focus on one part's contribution--the sermon--it would be possible for the saints to be built up in a gathering where they looked to Christ as the Head, by the leading of the Holy Spirit, to bring forth from the brethren what is needful. There is nothing in 1 Cor. 14, or anywhere else in the NT for that matter, about pews, a pulpit, a sermon, one person dominating the meeting, or an order of service. William Barclay (himself from the very liturgical Church of Scotland) comments on what he saw taking place in 1 Cor. 14.
[1 Cor. 14] sheds a flood of light on what a Church service was like in the early Church. There was obviously a freedom and informality about it which is completely strange to our ideas. Clearly, the early Church had no professional ministry. There was obviously a flexibility about the order of service in the early Church which is now totally lacking. There was clearly no settled order at all. The really notable thing about an early Church service must have been that almost everyone came feeling that he had both the privilege and obligation of contributing something to it (The Letters to the Corinthians, Revised Edition, Westminster Press, 1977, pp. 133-135).
Craig Blomberg of Denver Seminary notes concerning 1 Cor. 14:26:
Verse 26 insists that the Corinthians continue to worship in highly participatory and spontaneous fashion. Everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. This does not mean that every person present exercises all of the gifts, nor even that all exercise at least one in every service. But opportunity is made available for all whom the Spirit leads on any given occasion to contribute (The NIV Application Commentary: 1 Corinthians, Zondervan, 1995, p.278).
It is acknowledged by NT scholarship that early church gatherings were simple, taking place for the most part in homes. James' command, be slow to speak and quick to listen, may have such gatherings as a backdrop.
There may be an illusion to the free and unstructured worship of early Christian assemblies (Curtis Vaughn, James: A Study Guide, Zondervan, 1960, p.35).
It is possible that contentious Christian babes were taking advantage of the informal style of worship in the early Christian church to produce wrangling (James: A Primer for Christian Living, Pres. & Ref., 1974, p.69).
In light of 1 Cor. 14 a big question I have is this: why is the NT evidence we do have concerning Christian gatherings discarded and functionally treated as irrelevant, and that for which there is no evidence the centrality of the preacher and his sermon elevated to assumed divine status? Why do we confess that the NT is a sufficient guide for the church's faith and practice, and yet we meet together in ways that contradict its patterns? Are we at liberty to set aside what is revealed about gospel gatherings in order to keep intact the non-apostolic traditions that we have received? Paul said in 1 Cor. 12:14 that the body is not one part but many, yet we generally gather in a way that hinges on one part and denies the contributions of all the other parts (except to put a check in the offering plate).
Even as far back as 1898 David Thomas touched on some key points in this regard:
The Christian church in assembly, on the same occasion, might have several speakers to address them. If this be so: (1) Should Christian teaching be regarded as a profession? It is now: men are brought up in it, trained for it, and live by it, as architects, lawyers, doctors. (2) Is the Christian church justified in confining its attention to the ministry of one man? In most modern congregations there are some Christian men who, by natural ability, by experimental knowledge and inspiration, are far more qualified to instruct and comfort the people than their professional and stated minister. Surely official preaching has no authority, either in Scripture, reason, or experience, and it must come to an end sooner or later. Every Christian man should be a preacher. Were the half-hour allotted in church services for the sermon to be occupied by three or four Christly men with the capability and expression withal, it would not only be far more interesting, but more profitably spent than now (1 Corinthians, The Pulpit Commentary, p.459).
We must remember that human traditions are not neutral. Jesus taught in Mark 7:5-13 that human traditions originate from religious leaders and over-take on the force of law; they tend to multiply and take precedence over more important matters; they render the worship of God to be a vain undertaking; when they are elevated, the actual commands of God take a back seat; when zeal is directed toward them, the commands of God will be flagrantly violated; when people are fixated on traditions handed down from the past, God's Word is made of no effect; and fixation on traditions tends to permeate all of one's existence.
One tradition can spawn a legion of activities that support it. Think of all the religious baggage that is created by the exaltation of the clergy's sermon: myriads of books, seminars, videos, and classes on various aspects of How to Preach; seminaries to produce people who preach; ministerial associations for local support of those who preach; clergy conferences to encourage those who preach; denominational machinery and politics to fill empty pulpits; local church pastoral search committees; expensive church architecture that focuses on the pulpit at center stage; the manufacturing of pews, pulpits, audio and video systems and other accoutrements that enable the laity to hear sermons; a wide gamut of specialized products, services, and perks for preachers; special days for clergy appreciation; numerous sources for sermon outlines for busy preachers, etc. Such a list could go on and on. Everything in our religion is predicated on the notion, "We must have a weekly sermon." Yet few ever ask, "Where does Gods Word reveal such a lop-sided emphasis?"
How can we continue to exalt the position of preacher when it is just a long-standing human tradition? Do we realize that by elevating preaching we have for the longest time rendered God's Word of no effect? Can we reflect on the blessings that would be ours in Christ if we practiced an "each of you" meeting where Christ as the Head would lead the brethren into edification? Why do we pursue the centrality of preaching for which there is no Biblical evidence, and thereby neglect, stifle, hinder, and suppress the kind of open, edifying gathering which the NT does reveal?
I appeal to you to consider this illustration (which could be equally applied in evaluating many other human traditions). If a group of new believers located in a remote area of Africa read through the NT in their language, would they ever come to the conclusion that in order for their meetings to please the Lord they must exalt an office in which one person who stands behind a sacred desk (a pulpit) and delivers a sermon week after week? They wouldn't. They couldn't because such notions aren't to be found in the Scriptures. Why, then, do we become so defensive when pulpit centrality is examined, questioned, and the emperor is found to have no clothes?
It is interesting to note that D.M. Lloyd-Jones, who wrote Preaching & Preachers, sensed that some traditions were hindering full church life.
There is also this whole question of the exercise of gifts in the church. [Some] have certain major difficulties, one of which is the so-called one-man ministry. We have our views about that, but I feel the time has come for us to examine even questions such as these. It does not mean that you necessarily abandon that ministry, but it does focus attention on this: are we giving members of the church an adequate opportunity to exercise their gifts? Are our churches corresponding to the life of the New Testament church? Or is there too much concentration in the hands of ministers and clergy? But I still ask, "Do we manifest the freedom of the New Testament church?" In other words, this is another reason why we must come back and consider the whole doctrine of the nature of the church, and the marks of the church. The notion of people belonging to the church in order to come to sit down and fold their arms and listen, with just two or three doing everything, is quite foreign to the New Testament ("Knowing the Times: Addresses Delivered on Various Occasions", 1942-1977, Banner of Truth, 1989, pp. 195- 196).
If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them. Brethren, I can give testimony to the wonderful blessings of growing in the practice of meeting together around the person of Jesus Christ in simplicity. Of course it is open to abuse: Paul was correcting the Corinthians in chapter 14. It is more vulnerable when you trust the Lord to guide by the Spirit and not an order of service. It requires commitment to people -- like yourself! -- who can act at times like porcupines. It involves Spirit-sensitive brothers and sisters who are active participants, not just passive receivers. Fervent love for Jesus Christ, a desire to discern and act the mind of Christ, and deep humility with openness must flow among the brethren. Taking up our cross and following Jesus is not easy, but it is the only way of true blessedness.
I believe that the exaltation of preaching, while no one could doubt that some good fruit from it has been born over the years, has blocked us from pursuing the gathering of saints in simplicity which is revealed in the NT. It often keeps people in a position of spoon-fed dependency, instead of fostering their growth and maturity into works of ministry. But when we boil everything down, isn't our basic concern, "What has the Lord revealed to us in His Word in this regard? If we exalt that which He hasn't, are we not going to be the worse for it? Why wouldn't we want to devote our zeal to what He has shown us in the Scriptures?"
The story was told of a brother in the 1800s explaining to a Lutheran scholar his understanding of the early church and their gatherings. When the scholar noted, "Yes, but can such things be practiced in these days?", the reply was, "Have you ever tried it?"
Does GOD Almighty exalt the Preacher above the Body of believerss
Posted : 16 May, 2014 12:31 AM
Does GOD Almighty exalt the Preacher above the Body of believerss
*** No...He is no respector of persons...Jesus is the Greatest Teacher...some call Him the Greatest Preacher...He is the Greatest Rabbi..
Chapter 23:8 is Refering to Rabbi...which is not the same as a Preacher...and its not about God or man putting a "preacher" over anyone...you are mingling Rabbi with Preacher to prove your point and its pointless (no pun intended) because Chapter 23 is about Christ Jesus teaching his deciples about what the Scribes and Pharisees do that is unacceptable and He also gives the 7 woes...
In Eph 4 we find listed these stations for lack of a better term...
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
I dont find the word the Preacher here...This is how I understand these stations...
Apostles are His Deciples...
Pastors Lead...Jesus is the Good Shepard...He leads...
Teachers Teach...Jesus is the Greatest Teacher...
Evangelists Evangelize...Jesus is the Greatest Evangilist...
In my Church we have a Pastor and He leads...He is called and apointed by God to do so...I have no doubt in my mind or heart of his calling. We are all Equal at the foot of the cross and no one is above another nor is the lowest that walks through our doors of anyless of value to Jesus...
Does GOD Almighty exalt the Preacher above the Body of believerss
Posted : 7 Jan, 2016 02:52 PM
IN MY VERY HUMBLE OPINION...Not one, should be exalted over another, in the body of Christ. (Rom 3:23) We are all given command to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to a lost and dying world. We are given by example of the last supper, how we should behave within the church body to each other. I have seen a lot of pride, come through the church, with a level of obedience that is given and expected to the person preaching. Both that is self proclaimed, as well as idolized from the brethren. We ALL have power available to us, in the Lord, according to our walk, understanding, and relationship with Jesus. Some have more, some have less at any given time, according to Gods will, and plan.. Some are totally committed, others not so much. Some going through trials, some pretending they have learned it all. To me, SHARING in the Word, WORSHIP, and uplifting each other in prayer, as the Holy Spirit speaks to us, should be our prime focuses in gatherings. When did we stop the asking for prayer, and sharing what the Spirit of God puts on our hearts, in our assemblies? Prayer, friendship, financial help, teaching, mentoring, emotional support & encouragement, assistance & helps(in physical things), should all be happening within the body of Christ. I left the church for 30 years, and did not raise my children in it, after being discouraged so deeply, by a church that did nothing, at a time of crisis, when I needed them most. Very sad, the importance that folks place on men, and themselves, rather than Jesus! Where is our compassion for one another?
But, GOD is faithful, he will continue to nourish us, provide for us, love us, even in our self centered, blind, lives! Praise the God of love, mercy, and great grace! For he shall be the Victor, over all! He stirs our heart, and directs us back to him! Halleluiah! When someone dares to question, the format that we call church!!!! Thank you LORD! Move in our hearts, to what is true and right?
