Thread: 2 Peter 3:3,4,8-10,12,13: I the last days scoffers will come. They will say "Where is the Coming He {Jesus} promised? But do not forget this one thing, dear friends. With the lord a Day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise, as some understand slowness..But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief {To unbelievers}. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be stroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be burned up..... That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elelements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise *WE* are looking forward to a New Heaven and a New Earth, the home of righteousness.
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2 Peter 3:3,4,8-10,12,13: I the last days scoffers will come. They will say "Where is the Coming He {Jesus} promised? But do not forget this one thing, dear friends. With the lord a Day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise, as some understand slowness..But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief {To unbelievers}. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be stroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be burned up..... That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elelements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise *WE* are looking forward to a New Heaven and a New Earth, the home of righteousness.
Posted : 12 Aug, 2014 09:29 PM
2 Corinthians 5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done in the body, whether good or bad.�
Rev 22:12: Jesus says, �Behold, I am coming soon. My reward is with Me, and I will give to everyone **ACCORDING TO WHAT HE HAS DONE**.�
The pre-tribbers claim that this will occur 3 1/2 or 7 years **BEFORE** the Last Day of the Great Tribulation right after a secret silent rapture. However in Matthew 16:27 Jesus prophesied, �The Son of Man is going to come in His Father's **GLORY WITH HIS ANGELS**, and **THEN** He will reward each person **ACCORDING TO WHAT HE HAS DONE**.� Four other times in God's Word it mentions the Second Coming of Jesus on the **LAST DAY** of the Great Tribulation in **GLORY WITH HIS ANGELS**: Matthew 24:30,31; Mark 13:26,27; Matthew 25:31 & 2 Thess 1:7-10
Revelation 21:1-5 Then I saw a New Heaven and a New Earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was NO LONGER any sea. I saw the Holy City, the New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. And I heard a loud voice from the Throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes, there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away!" He who was seated on the Throne said, "I am making EWVERYTHING NEW!" Then He said, "Write this down, foor these words are trustworthy and true!"
2 Peter 3:3,4,8-10,12,13: I the last days scoffers will come. They will say "Where is the Coming He {Jesus} promised? But do not forget this one thing, dear friends. With the lord a Day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise, as some understand slowness..But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief {To unbelievers}. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be stroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be burned up..... That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elelements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise *WE* are looking forward to a New Heaven and a New Earth, the home of righteousness.
I Corinthians 15:49-53: And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man so shall we bear the likeness of the Man from Heaven {See Rev 1:13-15}. I declare to you brothers, that flesh and blood CANNOT inherit the Kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will ALL be CHANGED.--in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the Last Trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.
Revelation 2:17; 3:6,12,21: Jesus says, "To him who overcomes I will give a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it... I will acknowledge his name before My Father and His angels...I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God and I will write on him the name of the City of My God, the New Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from My God; and I will write on him My New Name.... I will give him the right to sit with Me on My Throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His Throne."
We will have millions of friends who will love us just the way we are including Moses, Elijah, Paul and John and our transportation in the New Heavens and the New Earth with amazing new animals will be a Heavenly white horse that will fly as per Revelation 19:14.
2 Peter 3:3,4,8-10,12,13: I the last days scoffers will come. They will say "Where is the Coming He {Jesus} promised? But do not forget this one thing, dear friends. With the lord a Day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise, as some understand slowness..But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief {To unbelievers}. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be stroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be burned up..... That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elelements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise *WE* are looking forward to a New Heaven and a New Earth, the home of righteousness.
Posted : 12 Aug, 2014 09:34 PM
WE ARE ALL WAITING FOR THE NEW EARTH, THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE HEAVENLY NEW JERUSALEM!!
Revelation 21:1-5: Then I saw a New heaven and a New Earth, for the {present} first heaven and first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the **NEW JERUSALEM**, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes, There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!" Then He said, "Write this down, for these words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!"
2 Peter 3:10-13: But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will DISAPPEAR with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and *EVERYTHING* in it will be burned up {NIV}. Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you wait eagerly for the Day of God to come. {NIV} That Day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise **WE** {Excluding the Preterists and the RC church} are looking forward to a New heavens and a New Earth, the home of righteousness.
Hebrews 11:13-16: All these people {Abraham, Sarah Isaac, Jacob, Noah etc} were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. People who say such things show they are looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. Instead, they were looking for a BETTER COUNTRY--a HEAVENLY ONE. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a *CITY* (The *NEW JERUSALEM*} for them!!
Galatians 4:25,26: Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the **JERUSALEM** that is **ABOVE** is free, and she is our MOTHER !!
Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches.....I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this Book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book {Including eternel hell}. And if anyone takes *WORDS AWAY* {Like the Preterists and the RC church} from this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The **NEW JERUSALEM**}, which are described in this Book.!!"
The New Jerusaem is described in Revelation 21:9 to Revelation 22:5. The New Jerusalem will be 12,000 stadia {which is about 1377 miles} long, high and wide as per Revelation 21:16. A stadia is 606 feet long which is the exact same length as the ancient Greek stadium. 606 feet times 12,000 equals 7,272,000 feet which is 1377 miles plus 1,440 feet. A mile is exactly 5,280 feet. {1377 times 5,280 feet equal 7,270,560 feet.} And so the New Jerusalem will be exactly 1377 miles plus 1,440 feet long, wide and high!!
Revelation 21:9-12,15-16,19,23,27; Revelation 22:1-6: The angel said to John, �Come, I will show you the Bride the Wife of the Lamb.� And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from from God It shone like the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel. It had a great high wall {1377 miles HIGH!} with 12 gates, and with 12 angels at the gates.
The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the City and its walls. The City was laid out as a square as long as it was wide. He measured the City with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia {One stadia is 606 feet} in length, and as wide and high as it is long. {1377 miles plus 1,440 feet long, wide and high} The wall was made of Jasper, and the City of pure gold, as pure as glass. The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone....... The great street of the City was of pure gold, like transparent glass...... Only those written in the Lamb's Book of Life will be able to enter the New Jerusalem!
Then the angel showed me the river of the Water of Life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and the Lamb {Jesus} down the middle of the great street of the City. On each side of the river stood the Tree of Life, bearing 12 crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month... The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the City, and his servants will serve Him. They will see His face and His name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night!! They will not need the light of the lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever. The angel said to me, �These words are TRUSTWORTHY and TRUE!!�
2 Peter 3:3,4,8-10,12,13: I the last days scoffers will come. They will say "Where is the Coming He {Jesus} promised? But do not forget this one thing, dear friends. With the lord a Day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise, as some understand slowness..But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief {To unbelievers}. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be stroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be burned up..... That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elelements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with His promise *WE* are looking forward to a New Heaven and a New Earth, the home of righteousness.
Posted : 13 Aug, 2014 04:48 AM
Richard, I like it except a few things:
The OT says about the New Jerusalem too and this city is on earth...Read the OT again...
I think that heaven literally will be on earth because the Heavenly Man Jesus will be the king on our planet for 1,000 years.
"Galatians 4:25,26: Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the **JERUSALEM** that is **ABOVE** is free, and she is our MOTHER !!"
I would say it so:
Galatians 4:25,26: Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the **JERUSALEM** that is **ABOVE** is for the FREE people Christians and Arabs who are BORN of God (1 John 3), who are NOT sons of slaves, who are NOT slaves anymore, who are heirs of God, who are FREE!!!!
Two Covenants
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar� 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children� 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written:
�Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.�
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? �Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.� 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.
Galatians 4
Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony
