Thread: What does the WORD of GOD Almighty say: A pastor ( singular) OR ELDERS ( plural) have the oversight of the body of believers !
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What does the WORD of GOD Almighty say: A pastor ( singular) OR ELDERS ( plural) have the oversight of the body of believers !
Posted : 8 Apr, 2018 05:33 AM
Hello everyone:
Yes the Truth seeker is at it again, making people to THINK about what the Word of GOD Almighty actually has to say about this important subject.
In the Word of GOD Almighty, there are requirements for people that are to watch over the body of Messiah. These people have the responsibility to care for the spiritual growth of the people, and for the way they are to be meeting together.
IF the meeting of the saints is not according to the Word of GOD Almighty, then their meeting will be according to what man wants and will be lacking the presence and freedom the Holy Spirit brings.
1Co 14:23
Therefore if the whole church assembles together and all speak in tongues, and ungifted men or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad?
1Co 14:24
But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an ungifted man enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all;
1Co 14:25
the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so he will fall on his face and worship God, declaring that God is certainly among you.
1Co 14:26
What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.
1Co 14:27
If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must interpret;
1Co 14:28
but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God.
1Co 14:29
Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others pass judgment.
1Co 14:30
But if a revelation is made to another who is seated, the first one must keep silent.
1Co 14:31
For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be exhorted;
1Co 14:32
and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets;
1Co 14:33
for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
1Co 14:34
The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.
1Co 14:35
If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.
1Co 14:36
Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only?
1Co 14:37
If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord�s commandment.
1Co 14:38
But if anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.
1Co 14:39
Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues.
1Co 14:40
But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner.
Elders:
1Peter 5:1
Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed,
1Peter 5:2
shepherd the flock of God among you, exercising oversight not under compulsion, but voluntarily, according to the will of God; and not for sordid gain, but with eagerness;
1Peter 5:3
nor yet as lording it over those allotted to your charge, but proving to be examples to the flock.
What are the requirements for an Elder;
1Timothy 3:1
It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do.
1Timothy 3:2
An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
1Tim 3:3
not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money.
1Tim 3:4
He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity
1Tim 3:5
(but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the assembly of God?),
1Tim 3:6
and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil.
1Timothy 3:7
And he must have a good reputation with those outside the assembly, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Titus 1:4
To Titus, my true child in a common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.
Titus 1:5
For this reason I left you in Crete, that you would set in order what remains and appoint elders in every city as I directed you,
Titus 1:6
namely, if any man is above reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of dissipation or rebellion.
Titus 1:7
For the overseer must be above reproach as God�s steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain,
Titus 1:8
but hospitable, loving what is good, sensible, just, devout, self-controlled,
Titus 1:9
holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict.
Titus 1:10
For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision,
Titus 1:11
who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain.
These requirements are meant to be fulfilled in men not women, AND that a woman is not to have oversight of the body of believers.
What does the WORD of GOD Almighty say: A pastor ( singular) OR ELDERS ( plural) have the oversight of the body of believers !
Posted : 9 Apr, 2018 03:46 AM
GNWS: "These requirements are meant to be fulfilled in men not women, AND that a woman is not to have oversight of the body of believers."
uuunnhuuuh.... very good information to know, I'll keep this in mind, and next time I have a talk with God I will remind Him of your inform as well, so He'll also know.
What does the WORD of GOD Almighty say: A pastor ( singular) OR ELDERS ( plural) have the oversight of the body of believers !
Posted : 9 Apr, 2018 06:17 AM
Quotes by Ella:
GNWS: "These requirements are meant to be fulfilled in men not women, AND that a woman is not to have oversight of the body of believers."
" uuunnhuuuh.... very good information to know, I'll keep this in mind, and next time I have a talk with God I will remind Him of your inform as well, so He'll also know. "{???}
ELLA, Will you also remind God that He made a terrible **DIVINE MISTAKE** when He inspired the following Divine Scriptures:
I Timothy 2:11: A **WOMAN** should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a **WOMEN** **TO TEACH** or to assume authority **OVER A MAN**!
I Corinthians 15:34,35:**WOMEN** should remain silent in the churches, They are not allowed **TO SPEAK**, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about anything, they should ask their husbands at home; for it is **DISGRACEFUL** for a **WOMAN** **TO SPEAK IN THE CHURCH**!!
2 Peter 3:15,16: Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our **DEAR BROTHER PAUL** also wrote you with the **WISDOM GOD GAVE TO HIM**. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand {To unbelievers} which **IGNORANT AND UNSTABLE PEOPLE DISTORT**, as they do other Scriptures, to their own **DESTRUCTION**!
I Timothy 3:16,17: All Scripture is **GOD-BREATHEED** and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead and in view of His appearing and His Kingdom, I give you this charge: **PREACH THE WORD**; be prepared in season in out of season, correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear!!
I Peter 1:23-25: For you have been **BORN AGAIN**, not of perishable seed but the imperishable, through the living and enduring **WORD OF GOD**. For all people are like grass, and all their glory is like flowers in the field; the grass withers and the flowers fail, but the **WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER**!!
What does the WORD of GOD Almighty say: A pastor ( singular) OR ELDERS ( plural) have the oversight of the body of believers !
Posted : 9 Apr, 2018 10:50 AM
GNWS: "Hi Ella, yup, you and every woman are not to shepherd the body of Messiah,only men. When we violate this mandate is that not called sin/ rebellion. GOD Almighty does not need you to remi d Him of anything, seeig that He is Omniscient, or did you forget that."
GNWS, Why is it that you can't respond to any of my topics posted since you perceive yourself to be so spiritually informed and knowledgeable in God's word?Nevertheless, you are correct, breaking God's commands or laws or mandates is a violation, is sin and rebellion... and SOOOO, that YOU will not be in violation of breaking any of God's mandates or in sin or rebellion? There are no PREREQUISITES... is means what it says, and says what it means. Therefore, What do you plan to do about Hebrews 10:23-24 "Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful. And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching."...
AND, what about I Timothy 3: Do YOU are ANYONE ON THIS CDFF FORUM MEET THESE QUALIFICATIONS? From where I sit, I see NONE... NO, NOT ONE is qualified on CDFF to speak as if YOU have been called as a spiritual leader or elder, or bishop to do so, according to GOD'S MANDATES YOU'RE NOT QUALIFIED!
I Timothy 3 - Qualifications of Overseers: This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil."
IF YOU do not meet THE MINIMUM qualifications as a spiritual leader OR overseer, OR elder OR Bishop, THEN YOU SHOULD keep silent trying to condemn, judge, or taunt me or anyone about my/their ministry in the Lord... firstly, no one on this forum called me into ministry... secondly, NOR are YOU or anyone on this forum qualified to declare those things they see fit as being sin, if God HAS NOT CALLED THEM SIN. You are out of order and doing God's job He never called you to do... based on YOUR OWN INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE, INSTEAD OF REVELATION FROM GOD THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT.
No where in God's word does He say men are suppose to have authority over women IN SPIRITUAL MATTERS... two places God placed men in leadership over His house (church) and over man's house... and what He so states is that women are not to have authority over their OWN HUSBANDS... it says nothing about men are to have authority over women, as YOU and other men would like to claim over women, God NEVER said that women can't be in authority over men in a leadership positions, that's man's LIE and twisted usage of the passages you quote. TWISTED!...
In closing, I leave you with the words of Jesus: Luke 9:49-50 "And John answered and said, Master, we saw someone casting out devils in your name; and we tried to stop him, because he does not follow you with us. And Jesus said unto him, D NOT stop him : for the person that is not against us is for us."
What's it to you that God has chosen me as an Evangelist in ministry and has used me mightily and sent me forth to do His work, and provided me with everything I needed to accomplish what He sent me forth to do... why is this a concern of your's or anyone? Stay out of God's business and make sure you are diligently doing what He called you to do as a good steward of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Thank you.
BTW, what is the difference between a SHEPHERD AND A SHEPHERDESS?
What does the WORD of GOD Almighty say: A pastor ( singular) OR ELDERS ( plural) have the oversight of the body of believers !
Posted : 9 Apr, 2018 11:03 AM
@GNWS... Please explain what this passage means that you have quoted: 1 Corinthians 14:34 "The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. ."
Also what "LAW" IS IN REFERENCE HERE THAT PAUL SPEAKS OF?...
What does the WORD of GOD Almighty say: A pastor ( singular) OR ELDERS ( plural) have the oversight of the body of believers !
Posted : 9 Apr, 2018 04:03 PM
GNWS: "Ella, you are one angry person when confronted with the truth in the Word of GOD Almighty."
...GNWS, you're too funny! At first you said I was in sin, violation, and rebellion to God's mandates, because I am an ORDAINED AND LICENSED EVANGELIST. AND GUESS WHAT?.... OF ALL PLACES, IN A BAPTIST CHURCH! By a pastoral ordination board from FOUR different church denominations of faith.
Now you say I'm "one angry person when confronted with the truth in the Word of GOD Almighty." YET YOU have NOT nor are you able to answer any of my question OR respond with spiritual
What does the WORD of GOD Almighty say: A pastor ( singular) OR ELDERS ( plural) have the oversight of the body of believers !
Posted : 9 Apr, 2018 04:42 PM
GNWS: "Ella, you are one angry person when confronted with the truth in the Word of GOD Almighty."
GNWS, you're too funny! At first you said I was in sin, violation, and rebellion to God's mandates, because I am an ORDAINED AND LICENSED EVANGELIST. AND GUESS WHAT?.... OF ALL PLACES, IN A BAPTIST CHURCH! By a pastoral ordination board from FOUR different church denominations of faith.
Now you say I'm "one angry person when confronted with the truth in the Word of GOD Almighty." YET YOU have NOT nor are you able to answer any of my questions OR respond with spiritual WISDOM OR INSIGHT.
You do well to obey God's mandate that has been set forth in Hebrews 10:23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful. And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching."
What does the WORD of GOD Almighty say: A pastor ( singular) OR ELDERS ( plural) have the oversight of the body of believers !
Posted : 9 Apr, 2018 04:48 PM
GNWS, you have your own word and excuse for everything asked of you. Even Jesus paid taxes, and commands that we also obey the laws of the land wherein it is not against His laws...
This is why I say, YOU are not qualified to tell me or anyone not one thing YOU THINK GOD IS SPEAKING IN HIS WORD, OR WHAT YOU THINK IS SIN OR REBELLION, because YOU, yourself are in denial and disobedience to GOD'S WORD OF TRUTH.
Sweep around your OWN front door before you go trying to sweep around some else's back door...
...GNWS, you're too funny! At first you said I was in sin, violation, and rebellion to God's mandates, because I am an ORDAINED AND LICENSED EVANGELIST. AND GUESS WHAT?.... OF ALL PLACES, IN A BAPTIST CHURCH! By a pastoral ordination board from FOUR different church denominations of faith.
