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obama is goin against christian morals..
Posted : 10 Oct, 2009 07:42 PM

dear folks, i just read where obama was quoted as saying to the gay rights folks.. that he will change the law and allow them to comeout in the military and also to change state laws to allow gay partners to be able to obtain marriages and the rights as a married couple..

this man is going against all that GOD moraly asks of HIS people. proposing and promising to make the law changes to allow all of this..

its against biblical.. and should be stopped.. cast your vote and let your christian views be held up. speak out on said subjects..

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Posted : 13 Oct, 2009 04:01 PM

I think there might be some misunderstandings here. I'm feeling compelled to post to, hopefully, bring about some common ground. DISCLAIMER: I am speaking with a kind voice and in no way am I intending to offend anyone.



I think everyone that has posted has valid points.



As I read manofgod's posts, I felt like he was trying to show how 100 years ago, we did not have the problems we have today and (to me) it seems it's his opinion that life would be better if we could revert to that sortof lifestyle. Local communities helped to take care of the local people; it did not have to involve the national government or taxes, etc. I beleive manofgod knows that this cannot happen in the blink of an eye. I agree with this idea. People seemed to have more of a sense of responsibility about themselves.



Insurance didn't exist, so seeing a doctor was a totally different experience; they bartered. As far as medication goes, I've often wondered if we haven't been unknowingly harming ourselves with all the preservatives and such we've been consuming all our lives...we've come a FAR way in medical technology since then, but what have we done ourselves? I haven't treated my body like a temple, that's for sure. But enough about that.



A child that was in need of medical treatment would receive it (I'm sure there were cases when they didn't) Back in those days, they lived a more "Godly" life and I believe would have been more afraid of repercussion from God if they didn't. (the doctors) Abortion did not exist. (BTW, I live in Kentucky, aka the Bible belt, it might not have been the same in other geographic locations)



The local government was more important than the national government. Local people would have been able to "get to know" the politicians running for election, so they would have been able to make a more informed decision when voting....wouldn't that be great!!??



I think "assistance" is a wonderful short term aid, but I also think there needs to be a better system of checks and balances. But, on the other hand, when judgement day rolls around, God will know who tried to help others and who tried to help himself.



I agree that we should stand up for what we believe in, but we are also not supposed to cause each other to stumble, so there is a fine line there that we have to walk. We have the right to vote for whomever we deem most capable for the job and we can do that in private. If the opposition gets elected, we have to trust that God has a plan in mind. This has been very hard for me to accept because I was strongly against Obama. If he is to usher in the antichrist or anything to the liking, we will have to deal with it no matter what.



I hope this has helped,



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Posted : 13 Oct, 2009 05:26 PM

This sums it up pretty well........



If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn`t buy one.

If a liberal doesn't like guns, he feels that no one should have one.



If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn`t eat meat..

If a liberal is, he wants to ban all meat products for everyone.



If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.

A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.



If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.

If a liberal is homosexual, he loudly demands legislated respect.



If a black man or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as independently successful.

Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.



If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.

A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.



If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.

Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.



If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.

A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God or religion silenced.



If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.

A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.



A conservative will forward this to all his friends.

A liberal will try to have it banned from the Internet.





In Christ



Steven

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Posted : 13 Oct, 2009 05:45 PM

I understand it is hard to think clearly when you are talking about

medical care. Remember the woman who was bleeding and came to Jesus for

help?

The Bible says that she spent ALL of her money on doctors! Things have

changed so much haven't they?



We just believe some different things.

You think that there is such a thing as a free lunch. There is not.

You think that the government taking money from everyone, and then

taking a huge cut off the top, and growing the size of goverment even

more, will somehow be better than what we have now. We have the best

health care in the world, but the problem is too much government

meddling.





Look, let me try it this way. You give me money once a month, and I

will give you a gas card that says how much gas you can buy a month. I

will, of course, take some of the money for profit and to run my "gas

care" business. How does that sound?



What? you think it would be more efficient for you to pay for you own

gas?



In Christ



Steven

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Posted : 13 Oct, 2009 05:50 PM

I understand it is hard to think clearly when you are talking about

medical care. Remember the woman who was bleeding and came to Jesus for

help?

The Bible says that she spent ALL of her money on doctors! Things have

changed so much haven't they?



We just believe some different things.

You think that there is such a thing as a free lunch. There is not.

You think that the government taking money from everyone, and then

taking a huge cut off the top, and growing the size of goverment even

more, will somehow be better than what we have now. We have the best

health care in the world, but the problem is too much government

meddling.





Look, let me try it this way. You give me money once a month, and I

will give you a gas card that says how much gas you can buy a month. I

will, of course, take some of the money for profit and to run my "gas

care" business. How does that sound?



What? you think it would be more efficient for you to pay for you own

gas?



In Christ



Steven

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Posted : 13 Oct, 2009 05:50 PM

I understand it is hard to think clearly when you are talking about

medical care. Remember the woman who was bleeding and came to Jesus for

help?

The Bible says that she spent ALL of her money on doctors! Things have

changed so much haven't they?



We just believe some different things.

You think that there is such a thing as a free lunch. There is not.

You think that the government taking money from everyone, and then

taking a huge cut off the top, and growing the size of goverment even

more, will somehow be better than what we have now. We have the best

health care in the world, but the problem is too much government

meddling.





Look, let me try it this way. You give me money once a month, and I

will give you a gas card that says how much gas you can buy a month. I

will, of course, take some of the money for profit and to run my "gas

care" business. How does that sound?



What? you think it would be more efficient for you to pay for you own

gas?



In Christ



Steven

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Posted : 13 Oct, 2009 05:56 PM

A great many Americans -- perhaps even a majority -- seem poised to

hand over vast amounts of their hard-earned money and their hard-won

liberties to the promised "collective redemption" being offered by

Barack Obama and his socialist band of "progressives" in Congress.

With the votes of nanny-state supporters from all classes among us,

their utopian dreams will be put to the test on our own ground and the

reach of our federal government will be expanded drastically according

to their plans.



But how does this really play out?



Always and everywhere it is tried.



The Socialist's Lure



One of the simplest realities of life is that the person who pays the

bill is the one who makes the decisions. When that person is you, you

decide. When the payer is a state collective, the collective decides.

And you obey.



This ain't rocket science. The freedom to decide is the reason all

children finally leave the security of the nest and jump to the

ground. It's innate. This will to be free. To decide for oneself.



Consider only these 3 areas of Obama's collective plan for the

redemption of American society:



* Obama wants to use a lot of taxpayer money to offer education to

children from birth through college. Free to mommies and daddies. On

the taxpayer dollar, rather than on the parents'.





The socialist lure: Give the state your children and the state will

relieve you of the burden of educating them and teaching them values

and knowledge. Parents, you're off the hook.



The result: The state then makes all the decisions about what your

children will be taught, how they will be brought up, what knowledge

is important and what is not.



* Obama wants to bring the federal government's involvement into

healthcare to an unprecedented level.





The socialist lure: Give the state your money and the power to

enforce healthcare for all, and the collective state will relieve you

of your responsibility to provide this service for yourselves and your

children.



The result: The state makes healthcare decisions. Healthcare is then

rationed according to need, as decided by the state.



* Obama wants to enshrine positive rights to all citizens that

include a guaranteed "living wage" to all regardless of individual work.





The socialist lure: No citizen will be without the means to live a

fairly equitable life regardless of individual delinquency or extra

effort.



The result: The poor and unfortunate become wards of the state and

vastly increase in number. Work incentives plummet.



* Obama wants our politics to be nice, not mean or divisive. He

wants unity. He wants us all to get along.





The socialist lure: Peace. Harmony. Goodwill to all. No good guys

and bad guys. All will be nice and we will sing Kumbayah in perfect

harmony all over the world.



The result: Anyone who dissents, who finds error, who sees things

differently will be silenced. This is the only way collectives ever

enforce their ideas of "unity."



Progress? In the memorable words of C. S. Lewis:



"We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress

means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that

case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive."





Freedom and individual responsibility are inseparable.



The choice we are facing in this election is simple. We have freedom

only when we accept personal responsibility for ourselves and our

children. If we want to divest ourselves from the responsibility to

provide for ourselves, then we also forfeit our freedom to make our

own decisions.



Great leaders have appeared from time to time to warn free people of

the innate deceptiveness of the socialists' lures. Ronald Reagan saw

the evil as clear as day. Reagan's "ten scariest words in the English

language":



"I'm from the government and I'm here to help you."





Winston Churchill expounded further on leftist ideology:



"Let them quit these gospels of envy, hate and malice. Let them

eliminate them from their politics and programmes. Let them abandon

the utter fallacy, the grotesque, erroneous fatal blunder of believing

that by limiting the enterprise of man, by riveting the shackles of a

false equality...they will increase the well-being of the world."





John McCain is a leader in the same mold as Reagan and Churchill when

it comes to seeing the innate evil within the Marist lure and its

deceptive threat to real peace and any prosperity worth having. But

of these three -- Reagan, Churchill and McCain -- McCain is the only

one who has seen firsthand, from the inside, how it is that collective

regimes may appear fair and just and unified.

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Posted : 14 Oct, 2009 08:21 AM

Thank you flooding the posts with your long drawn out very repetative thoughts, i'm sure everyone will read every word of your repeat posts.:yay:

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Posted : 14 Oct, 2009 09:19 AM

Yeah explore r,thats the problem with you liberals,you dont want to take the time to read anything,your just driven by your emotions.thats why we have a radical socialist in office now!He promised you lots of stuff!Use logic,reason,and stop being so emoitionaly driven,in a word GROW UP!



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Posted : 14 Oct, 2009 03:49 PM

I received something in the mail today about this issue.The abortion changes and it said to write our senators and Reps and tell them to vote against it.I am going to do that.If you oppose this new law write your politicians in DC.

I gave you the address to the prez.Write him and tell him how you feel.Talk is cheap.Actions speak louder than words.

I have read the instuctions sent by the administraters before I get in to this area.It is above the topics area. It says, Insults will not be tolerated!!!!!!! We are christians here right. So,stop calling me a liberal.And mocking my views on health care. You can disagree in LOVE.People become annoyed at insults. I do not believe there are any liberals here ok. I have traveled over seas I know what a socialist is.God is not a member of any party.

Christians can be Republicians or democrates and socialist and still go to heaven.Over in eastern Europe many christians our members of a socialist party.I do have some who I know.

We are not the judge,god is of that.These people in eastern Europe have used goverenment finds to rebuild the churches the communist destroyed-Fact.I was there and saw the evidence.

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Posted : 14 Oct, 2009 10:10 PM

I would love to vote with you all about this matter. I do encourage you all to continue to vote against it all.

I am a Canadian and pray that it will take affect in the government there.

We tried to vote against it here there are some provences that do allow gay marriages.

Jesus is coming back soon.

Rose

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