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Posted : 19 Nov, 2011 09:07 PM

My brother told me:



Excellent responses to this heretic who believes Jesus appears to him and gives him messages which add words or take words away from God's completed Word.



God's Word claims that Jesus must remain in Heaven until His Second Coming as per Acts 3:21, and it is an unpardonable sin to add or take Words away from God's Word as per Revelation 22:18,19.



Whenever true prophets try to interpret prophecies in God's Word such as Barack Hussein Obama may be the future False Prophet of 666 we must also say that this is just an interesting SPECULATION since God's Word does not specifically say this. We must also remember that Daniel 11 can be interpreted in about 100 different ways.



False prophets such as this person and ....continually talk about seeing Jesus, fighting demons and getting special messages from Jesus. They are usually from the extreme charismatic groups.



Acts 3:21: "Jesus must remain in Heaven **UNTIL** the time comes for God to restore everything, as He promised long ago through His holy prophets."

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Posted : 19 Nov, 2011 09:15 PM

The normal example of what man calls interpretation is clearing the most common example of adding to or taking away from the word of God.



False prophets such as this person and ....continually talk about seeing Jesus, fighting demons and getting special messages from Jesus. They are usually from the extreme charismatic groups.



These kind of Carnal comments do nothing create strife, and it is the kind of response you would expect that says the Holy spirit barks.

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Posted : 19 Nov, 2011 10:52 PM

My response to this guy was:



Jesus does not come to anyone....there is no reason for that.

He came to us and told us what we need. We do not need any other prophecies/revelations. We have everything what we need and it is written in the Bible. If there is something NEW, it is NOT true!!!! God Jesus does NOT give us any 'NEW' revelations...He does not talk to us in audible voice like to Moses. He speaks through other believers and the words of God in the Bible. Those who hear voice of 'god' usually dwell in the mad houses. The question is who is this god they listen to? It is quite well known fact that if people hear any voices in head, it means that this man suffers from schizophrenia�i.e. he is demons-possessed. But Christians cannt be demon-possessed!!!! So, if this man is demons-possessed, it means he is not a Christian and he needs repentance and to be born of God yet to get rid of these demons.



We do not need any �spiritual battles�, because we conquer only by the word of God and the Gospel proclamation and prayers...we conquer not by any occult manipulations and in imaginary battles in our head�like people do it in madhouses.

The God�s angels are fighting actually in battles. But we cast away demons from people and occupy their territory when people are born of God through Gospel proclamation.



It was demons who came to you in the form of Jesus. Jesus can come in dreams, visions or personally to Muslims to convert their hearts from the false religion Islam. It is no need for Jesus to come to �Christians�. I have heard many insane Christians who say that they saw and talk regularly to Jesus.



I warn you: you will NEVER get to the Kingdom of Heaven if you will listen to these demons. Only demons come to people like the angel of light and God warns us about it in the Bible.



Do not drink and you will now see any demons...if you will see them then I would say: you are crazy and you need not marriage but medical treatment.



What else, if you will see this 'jesus' then you should know that you should pray God, abandon your sins, repents of your sins, confess them to God in a prayer and then God Jesus will take/cast away any demons from you...if they will not go away..medical treatment needed...sorry

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The normal example of what man calls interpretation is clearing the most common example of adding to or taking away from the word of God.







False prophets such as this person and ....continually talk about seeing Jesus, fighting demons and getting special messages from Jesus. They are usually from the extreme charismatic groups.







These kind of Carnal comments do nothing create strife, and it is the kind of response you would expect that says the Holy spirit barks.

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Posted : 20 Nov, 2011 07:15 AM

The gift of prophecy edifies, exhorts, and comforts (I Corinthians 14:3); helps us build up or strengthen; and should lead us to the Word of God. It is the ministry of the Holy Spirit to convict of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment to come (John 16:8-11).



Prophecy is divinely inspired and anointed utterance; a supernatural proclamation in a known language. It is the manifestation of the Spirit of God - not of intellect (I Corinthians 12:7), and it may be possessed and operated by all who have the infilling of the Holy Spirit (I Corinthians 14:31)



It is calling forth words from the Spirit of God.



Prophecy is not prediction..



People sometimes think that "prophecy" means to predict (foretell) what will happen in the future. Actually, the simple gift of prophecy is essentially forthtelling; it is a ministry to make people better and more useful Christians now. Prophecy in the New Testament church carries no prediction with it whatsoever, for "he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort" (I Corinthians 14:3). Notice that there is no mention of the word prediction here.



The Bible tells us that we are to "Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things." I Thessalonians 5:20-21. When a prophecy is given, we are to test it and hold on to what is good in it.



Does the person with the gift of prophecy only receive messages expressed in words?



A person with the gift of prophecy may receive messages in various ways, including visions (Ezekiel 1), dreams (Daniel 7), words of knowledge or wisdom, discernment and the operation of another spiritual gift such as teaching (Paul's epistles, Hebrews, James). Very often the prophet's message will come in a way that requires the prophet to find the words to describe the message. It may even be in the form of a strong emotional impression.



How does the gift of prophecy relate to scripture?



Both the message of someone exercising the gift of prophecy and the Bible bring us the word of the Lord. In the case of the Bible, however, we have a word that has stood the test of years of use and acceptance of the church, guided by the Holy Spirit.



The Word as revealed in scripture is thus the standard by which other words are judged. Unlike Abraham, we have the benefit of both the scriptures and the tradition of the church by which to judge our own individual experiences.



How can one test prophetic utterances?



We are instructed to test the spirits to see whether they are of God. In Deuteronomy 18:21 & 22 we are told that if God says something will happen, then it will happen. This is a way to test the word of a prophet. But we must modify this test with the words of Jeremiah (chapter 18) and the example of Jonah in which the predicted event does not take place. But it does not take place for a reason-because the word accomplished its goal of correction.



Is the gift of prophecy dangerous?



The penalty for false prophecy in Biblical times was death (Deuteronomy 18:20). While we don't have the death penalty in church life today, one should always be careful when claiming that something is a word from the Lord. God's name is not to be taken carelessly or lightly.



Pastors and other leaders must use discernment in dealing with those who claim a word from the Lord.

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Posted : 20 Nov, 2011 07:38 AM

The results of the proper exercise of the gift of prophecy is edification.



The gift of prophecy was very important in that it met a real and unique need of the early church. They were at a loss without any of this new revelation yet recorded and available, so God gave His word "part by part" (I Corinthians 13:9) through these gifted men until that written Word was complete.



Does God give us the same gift of prophecy today? I do not know. Several factors demand that the gift of prophecy is no longer given to the church:



1) The most obvious reason that the gift is no longer given is that there is no need for it today. God has given a complete revelation which is altogether sufficient in all matters of faith and practice. The prophets met a unique need of that first century church, before this revelation was available. The church today does not need any prophets to give new revelation, only teachers and preachers to expose it to the Revelation already given.



2) No revelation is being given today. No one today can add a verse to Scripture; no one today is receiving new truth.



3) The prophets were the foundation of the church (Ephesians 2:20), which is now complete.



4) I Corinthians 13:8-13 specifically predicts their demise with the completed canon of Scripture. With a complete Scripture, the other prophecies are useless.



What I saw in our churches was just deception when pastors deceived people and gave them false and even funny revelations. God will judge them for any word they utter on behalf of God!!!!!





I Thessalonians 5:19-20 commands the Christian to prove, or test, all prophecies.





Summary:



Prophecy was an important gift to the church and met a unique need in the early church, but it is no longer needed or given. Its "partial" messages (I Corinthians 13:9) have been replaced by the complete Revelation. The church today stands, then, at a great advantage without it. It is my opinion and opinion of some Christians. I warn you again that liars or those who deceive people will NEVER get to the Kingdom of God. God addresses today to 'prophets':





Jeremiah 23

The Branch of Righteousness

1 �Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture!� says the LORD. 2 Therefore thus says the LORD God of Israel against the shepherds who feed My people: �You have scattered My flock, driven them away, and not attended to them. Behold, I will attend to you for the evil of your doings,� says the LORD. 3 �But I will gather the remnant of My flock out of all countries where I have driven them, and bring them back to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. 4 I will set up shepherds over them who will feed them; and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, nor shall they be lacking,� says the LORD.

5 � Behold, the days are coming,� says the LORD,



� That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness;

A King shall reign and prosper,

And execute judgment and righteousness in the earth.

6 In His days Judah will be saved,

And Israel will dwell safely;

Now this is His name by which He will be called:



THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.[a]



7 �Therefore, behold, the days are coming,� says the LORD, �that they shall no longer say, �As the LORD lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of Egypt,� 8 but, �As the LORD lives who brought up and led the descendants of the house of Israel from the north country and from all the countries where I had driven them.� And they shall dwell in their own land.�

False Prophets and Empty Oracles

9 My heart within me is broken

Because of the prophets;

All my bones shake.

I am like a drunken man,

And like a man whom wine has overcome,

Because of the LORD,

And because of His holy words.

10 For the land is full of adulterers;

For because of a curse the land mourns.

The pleasant places of the wilderness are dried up.

Their course of life is evil,

And their might is not right.

11 � For both prophet and priest are profane;

Yes, in My house I have found their wickedness,� says the LORD.

12 � Therefore their way shall be to them

Like slippery ways;

In the darkness they shall be driven on

And fall in them;

For I will bring disaster on them,

The year of their punishment,� says the LORD.

13 � And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria:

They prophesied by Baal

And caused My people Israel to err.

14 Also I have seen a horrible thing in the prophets of Jerusalem:

They commit adultery and walk in lies;

They also strengthen the hands of evildoers,

So that no one turns back from his wickedness.

All of them are like Sodom to Me,

And her inhabitants like Gomorrah.



15 �Therefore thus says the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets:





� Behold, I will feed them with wormwood,

And make them drink the water of gall;

For from the prophets of Jerusalem

Profaneness has gone out into all the land.��



16 Thus says the LORD of hosts:





� Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you.

They make you worthless;

They speak a vision of their own heart,

Not from the mouth of the LORD.

17 They continually say to those who despise Me,

� The LORD has said, �You shall have peace��;

And to everyone who walks according to the dictates of his own heart, they say,



� No evil shall come upon you.��

18 For who has stood in the counsel of the LORD,

And has perceived and heard His word?

Who has marked His word and heard it?

19 Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD has gone forth in fury�

A violent whirlwind!

It will fall violently on the head of the wicked.

20 The anger of the LORD will not turn back

Until He has executed and performed the thoughts of His heart.

In the latter days you will understand it perfectly.

21 � I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran.

I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.

22 But if they had stood in My counsel,

And had caused My people to hear My words,

Then they would have turned them from their evil way

And from the evil of their doings.

23 � Am I a God near at hand,� says the LORD,



� And not a God afar off?

24 Can anyone hide himself in secret places,

So I shall not see him?� says the LORD;



� Do I not fill heaven and earth?� says the LORD.



25 �I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in My name, saying, �I have dreamed, I have dreamed!� 26 How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Indeed they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart, 27 who try to make My people forget My name by their dreams which everyone tells his neighbor, as their fathers forgot My name for Baal.

28 � The prophet who has a dream, let him tell a dream;

And he who has My word, let him speak My word faithfully.

What is the chaff to the wheat?� says the LORD.

29 � Is not My word like a fire?� says the LORD,



� And like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces?



30 �Therefore behold, I am against the prophets,� says the LORD, �who steal My words every one from his neighbor. 31 Behold, I am against the prophets,� says the LORD, �who use their tongues and say, �He says.� 32 Behold, I am against those who prophesy false dreams,� says the LORD, �and tell them, and cause My people to err by their lies and by their recklessness. Yet I did not send them or command them; therefore they shall not profit this people at all,� says the LORD.

33 �So when these people or the prophet or the priest ask you, saying, �What is the oracle of the LORD?� you shall then say to them, �What oracle?�[b] I will even forsake you,� says the LORD. 34 �And as for the prophet and the priest and the people who say, �The oracle of the LORD!� I will even punish that man and his house. 35 Thus every one of you shall say to his neighbor, and every one to his brother, �What has the LORD answered?� and, �What has the LORD spoken?� 36 And the oracle of the LORD you shall mention no more. For every man�s word will be his oracle, for you have perverted the words of the living God, the LORD of hosts, our God. 37 Thus you shall say to the prophet, �What has the LORD answered you?� and, �What has the LORD spoken?� 38 But since you say, �The oracle of the LORD!� therefore thus says the LORD: �Because you say this word, �The oracle of the LORD!� and I have sent to you, saying, �Do not say, �The oracle of the LORD!�� 39 therefore behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you and forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and will cast you out of My presence. 40 And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten.��

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Posted : 20 Nov, 2011 07:56 AM

Spiritual Warfare:



in Ephesians 6:12, Paul speaks of putting on the full armor of God. But why?:



�For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.�



How Do We Go Into Battle as Christians?



Spiritual warfare is an image that many of us would rather reject. However, since the Bible uses terms of warfare, it�s best that we accept God�s imagery, so that we�re properly prepared for real battle. As Christians, we�re going through more than a mere �struggle� on earth � and its seems that war imagery captures this reality better than anything else. Since it�s warfare, God instructs Christians to use a very specific set of armor and weapons in Ephesians 6:14-18:



�Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with ***truth***,

and having on the breastplate of*** righteousness***;

And your feet shod with the preparation of the*** gospel of peace***;

Above all, taking the shield of*** faith***,

wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of ***salvation***,

and the sword of the Spirit, which is the ***Word of God***: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit...�



Spiritual Warfare: Be Strong in the Lord



Spiritual warfare is a reality of the Christian life. But remember, we know the ending � our side wins. Since the Devil has already lost, he has nothing to lose in trying to take as many people with him in defeat. Therefore:



�Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.� (Ephesians 6:10-11).



Also remember:



(1 Tim 4:1)

The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith

and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

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Posted : 20 Nov, 2011 10:34 AM

It sounds Good but does not follow sound doctrine.



Just as the unsaved can not commune to the lost the new birth.



Those that have rejected the gift of The Holy Ghost, have so rejected his gifts, it is not they that can communicate the gifts of the spirit.

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Posted : 20 Nov, 2011 11:06 AM

Christianity with its over 32,000 denominations is filled with false prophets and heresy; I am amiss as to what you two are complaining about!



Which denomination, and which doctrine are you referring to?



If you are referring to Christianity in general, well I wish to thank you for your posts. It is about time others started writing on this heretical apostate religion.



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Posted : 20 Nov, 2011 11:18 AM

No we are not talking about Satan, nor was I complaining

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Posted : 20 Nov, 2011 08:12 PM

I am saying about Christianity in general and madness which we see in our churches. I warn people that God is not going to tolerate deception of any kind.....liars (and false prophets deceiving people...) will NEVER get to the Kingdom of Heaven...sexual immoral people, drunkards (those who regularly intoxicate their bodies) etc....the unrighteous....



Ponder and change your life accordingly before your Judgement when the God Jesus will ask you WHY did you commit these crimes against people and God.

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