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The Question Should Be Does Reformation Theology Believe:
Posted : 21 Nov, 2011 09:02 PM
That Jesus is the Way the Truth the Life:
It is sometimes said they have a part of the truth, they do believe in Jesus, and you may agree with that statement.
Here is what the word of God says about those that alter the word of God to their own way, or as they thinketh.
Why do you disobey God and follow your own teaching? 4Didn't God command you to respect your father and mother? Didn't he tell you to put to death all who curse their parents? 5But you let people get by without helping their parents when they should. You let them say that what they have has been offered to God. [b] 6Is this any way to show respect to your parents? You ignore God's commands in order to follow your own teaching. 7And you are nothing but show-offs! Isaiah the prophet was right when he wrote that God had said, 8"All of you praise me
with your words,
but you never really
think about me.
9It is useless for you
to worship me,
when you teach rules
made up by humans."
From the very beginning this is what has happenend
when man was deceived by the serpent, the new testament calls it seducing spirit's
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Notice what was said when Eve answered the serpent:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Notice how the phrase neither shall you touch it, came out of her, mouth, the bible says Eve did not sin, but that Adam did for he is the one the lord told orginally and it was his responsibility to teach all those that came after him, so we must conclude he added to what the lord said when he told Eve and so the dilemna starts. We know that what we see and hear is invovled with the process of faith.
What Eve did was accept the word the serpent said to her as the truth, She walked by sight or as a natural person as she saw that the tree was good for food.
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
The sin is complete any time man accepts word's that are not in agreement with the word of God. Faith is known of those that are doers of the word.
We see the same principle in this account with Cain and Able:
Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
Gen4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
Gen 4:3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
Gen 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
Gen 4:5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
Gen 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
Able ways pleased the lord for he was a doer of the word in bring his first fruits.
Cain did bring his offering but he decided when he would bring it, and his offering was not acceptable to the lord and immediately
Cain was angry, when the traditions of men are exposed anger flies!!!
The epistle of Jude talks about the way of Cain as natuaral beasts, by what they knew natuarally and in these things they corrupt themselves.
The second epistle of Peter mentions similar terms and in that context it is declared as we know that they deceived themselves by not being doers of the word.
The Bottom line is this, every word of God is to be believed to betrue as it is written, not to be added to, or taken away from, for those that practice such make the word of God of none effect.
The Question Should Be Does Reformation Theology Believe:
Posted : 21 Nov, 2011 09:57 PM
YEp brother , all the really good good, well a better word would be efective lies strat out with at least a little bit of truth , sometime a lot of the truth and just a little bit is contaminated ( a little leven leven the whole loaf or something like that) so that is why we must be wise as a serpent and harmless as doves! We have got to make our selfs aware that these reall efective lies are out there and we must keep ourselfs away from this junk, but we also have to keep in mind that we are subject to be decieved! But let me just say this one thing! and it may just be an opinion and you know what they say about opinions!! anyway here is what I think! People are seduced by the seducing spirits because??? the bible speaks of the ones who loved not the truth!! Right ? So it is our responisbility to check our selfs and make sure that we dont believe a lie because it sounds better to our flesh! for example (and I am not directing this at anyone I am simply using myself as an example) I loved to drink before I got saved! My flesh would love for it to be permicable to have me a few drinks of I didnt get drunk and show out or commit sin!! Maybe even go to the club and listen to the goo country bands that play around here!! HOWEVER I know this is not pleasing to God, even though my flesh wishes it was it is not! So I have checked myself in the war between the flesh and the spirit!! Paul says the flesh wars against the spirit and the spirit against the flesh one is contrary to the other ( I think thats prettty close) SO if there is no war between your flesh and your spirit you are not saved!!! PALIN AND SIMPLE!!!!
Becasue you have flesh that is a fact my dear hearts.. and if you have the spirit and the flesh and spirit war against each other if you have the spirit you are in a battle.. if fact you are in 2 battles, you are in a battle agains evil and sin in the world that is trying to violate you , bring you down make you give up , temot you!! and you are in a battle against your own flesh who wants you to give in and tells you its ok to have aglass of wine, or hey maybe even fornicate if you dont so it all the time and your dating him seriously then why not you been so good for a long time, everybody needs to have a little fun!! RiGHT?? Does your flesh ever tell you this?? if your flesh tells you this and there is no battle then you are not saved, if your flesh never says something like this to you then your probably already dead!! LOL I am just making an example but there us a war.. OK RAMBLING AGAIN!! I am tired:ROFL::ROFL:
The Question Should Be Does Reformation Theology Believe:
Posted : 22 Nov, 2011 09:34 AM
Yes i believe in an almighty sovereign God.
James Montgomery Boice
Reformed theology gets its name from the sixteenth century Protestant Reformation, with its distinct theological emphases, but it is theology solidly based on the Bible itself. Believers in the reformed tradition regard highly the specific contributions of such people as Martin Luther, John Knox, and particularly John Calvin, but they also find their strong distinctives in the giants of the faith before them, such as Anselm and Augustine, and ultimately in the letters of Paul and the teachings of Jesus Christ. Reformed Christians hold to the doctrines characteristic of all Christians, including the Trinity, the true deity and true humanity of Jesus Christ, the necessity of Jesus' atonement for sin, the church as a divinely ordained institution, the inspiration of the Bible, the requirement that Christians live moral lives, and the resurrection of the body. They hold other doctrines in common with evangelical Christians, such as justification by faith alone, the need for the new birth, the personal and visible return of Jesus Christ, and the Great Commission. What, then, is distinctive about reformed theology
1. The Doctrine of Scripture.
The reformed commitment to Scripture stresses the Bible's inspiration, authority, and sufficiency. Since the Bible is the Word of God and so has the authority of God Himself, reformed people affirm that this authority is superior to that of all governments and all church hierarchies. This conviction has given reformed believers the courage to stand against tyranny and has made reformed theology a revolutionary force in society. The sufficiency of Scripture means that it does not need to be supplemented by new or ongoing special revelation. The Bible is the entirely sufficient guide for what we are to believe and how we are to live as Christians.
The Reformers, and particularly John Calvin, stressed the way the objective, written Word and the inner, supernatural ministry of the Holy Spirit work together, the Holy Spirit illuminating the Word to God's people. The Word without the illumination of the Holy Spirit remains a closed book. The supposed leading of the Spirit without the Word leads to errors and excess. The Reformers also insisted upon the believers' right to study the Scripture for themselves. Though not denying the value of trained teachers, they understood that the clarity of Scripture on matters essential for salvation makes the Bible the property of every believer. With this right of access always comes the responsibility of careful and accurate interpretation
2. The Sovereignty of God.
For most reformed people the chief and most distinctive article of the creed is God's sovereignty. Sovereignty means rule, and the sovereignty of God means that God rules over His creation with absolute power and authority. He determines what is going to happen, and it does happen. God is not alarmed, frustrated, or defeated by circumstances, by sin, or by the rebellion of His creatures.
3. The Doctrines of Grace.
Reformed theology emphasizes the doctrines of grace, best known by the acronym TULIP, though this does not correspond to the best possible names for the five doctrines.
T stands for total depravity. This does not mean that all persons are as bad as they could possibly be. It means rather that all human beings are affected by sin in every area of thought and conduct so that nothing that comes out of anyone apart from the regenerating grace of God can please God. As far as our relationships to God are concerned, we are all so ruined by sin that no one can properly understand either God or God's ways. Nor do we seek God, unless He is first at work within us to lead us to do so
U stands for unconditional election. An emphasis on election bothers many people, but the problem they feel is not actually with election; it is with depravity. If sinners are as helpless in their depravity as the Bible says they are, unable to know and unwilling to seek God, then the only way they could possibly be saved is for God to take the initiative to change and save them. This is what election means. It is God choosing to save those who, apart from His sovereign choice and subsequent action, certainly would perish.
L stands for limited atonement. The name is potentially misleading, for it seems to suggest that reformed people want somehow to restrict the value of Christ's death. This is not the case. The value of Jesus' death is infinite. The question rather is what is the purpose of Christ's death, and what He accomplished in it. Did Christ intend to make salvation no more than possible? Or did He actually save those for whom He died? Reformed theology stresses that Jesus actually atoned for the sins of those the Father had chosen. He actually propitiated the wrath of God toward His people by taking their judgment upon Himself, actually redeemed them, and actually reconciled those specific persons to God. A better name for "limited" atonement would be "particular" or "specific" redemption.
I stands for irresistible grace. Left to ourselves we resist the grace of God. But when God works in our hearts, regenerating us and creating a renewed will within, then what was undesirable before becomes highly desirable, and we run to Jesus just as previously we ran away from Him. Fallen sinners do resist God's grace, but His regenerating grace is effectual. It overcomes sin and accomplishes God's purpose.
P stands for perseverance of the saints. A better name might be "the perseverance of God with the saints," but both ideas are actually involved. God perseveres with us, keeping us from falling away, as we would certainly do if He were not with us. But because He perseveres we also persevere. In fact, perseverance is the ultimate proof of election. We persevere because God preserves us from full and final falling away from Him.
4. The Cultural Mandate.
Reformed theology also emphasizes the cultural mandate, or the obligation of Christians to live actively in society and work for the transformation of the world and its cultures. Reformed people have had various views in this area, depending on the extent to which they believe such a transformation possible But on the whole they agree on two things. First we are called to be in the world and not to withdraw from it. This sets reformed believers apart from monasticism. Second, we are to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, and visit the prisoner. But the chief needs of people are still spiritual, and social work is no adequate substitute for evangelism. In fact, efforts to help people will only be truly effective as their hearts and minds are changed by the gospel. This sets reformed believers apart from, mere humanitarianism. It has been objected to reformed theology that t anyone who believes along reformed lines will lose all motivation for evangelism. "If God is going to do the work, why should I bother?" But it does not work that way. It is because God does the work that we can be bold to join Him in it, as He commands us to do. We do it joyfully, knowing that our efforts will never be in vain.
The Question Should Be Does Reformation Theology Believe:
Posted : 22 Nov, 2011 11:34 AM
Reformed theology also emphasizes the cultural mandate, or the obligation of Christians to live actively in society and work for the transformation of the world and its cultures.
*** the words "mandate" and "obligation" sound and are way to much legalism...and it brings "under control" "reform" "supress" straighten out"...there is ONLY one that can do that...Christ Jesus...reformation beats the poor man down continiually by telling him he is a sinner and can do nothing good in the sight of God...Christ Jesus continualy pulls the fallin poor man up and tells him...with ME you CAN do this...reformation teaches what we are...fallin sinners...Christ Jesus teaches...Who...What...Why...and most Important...Whose we are...HIS...xo
The Question Should Be Does Reformation Theology Believe:
Posted : 22 Nov, 2011 01:34 PM
there are many obligations, responsibilities, mandates for believers in the bible
*** Believers in the Bible???...I know for some reformers this they believe to be true...Believe in the Bible...if you will notice...those words you quote are not in the Bible Donna...The LORD Jesus doesnt speak of such things...only Belief in HIM...Obediance to HIM...Love in HIM...Worship in HIM...Service to Others in HIM...Freedom in HIM...Everlasting LIFE in HIM...
Its time to Come out from Under the Opression of Reform and into the Light of Christ Jesus* Freedom in the Grace of Almighty GOD...which is Christ Jesus...Be Blessed..xo
at...your very Soul depends on it...:purpleangel:...xo