Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love;
- and I spread my skirt over thee,
- and covered thy nakedness:
- yea, I sware unto thee,
- and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD,
- and thou becamest mine. (Eze 16:8)
The What After
But thou didst trust in thine own beauty,
and playedst the harlot because of thy renown,
and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.
And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.
Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them, (Eze 16:15-17)
The Reason of Divorce (whoredom - fornication - Despice of oath breaking covenant)
For thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even deal with thee as thou hast done, which hast despised the oath in breaking the covenant. (Eze 16:59)
After His divorce
For thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even deal with thee as thou hast done.... (Eze 16:59)
They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation. (Deu 32:21)
I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name. (Isa 65:1).
But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. (Rom 10:19).
All above applies to man only.
For a woman
And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. (1Co 7:10-11).
The reason
For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. (Rom 7:2)
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. (1Co 16:22)
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed (anathema)
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed (anathema). (Gal 1:8-9)
According to Plato, Politics is an Art (Plato's "the Politician") and a kind of Art alike the the weaver's having in mind not only the "good" for the people but a special kind of "good" that includes a God's substance, that only a Greek word may express and this is "agathon=doing the good which based on the fundamental basis of Deity".
Thus God's policy was always a submitting one, who guaranteed the "agathon", to ordinate His commandments to the public (Moses, Jesus of Navi, and Judges). Gentiles practised other ways. Kings, Emperors, Dynasties, later Democracy, Aristocracy etc.
As faithful are called to a Kingdom-Priesthood, earthly Churches took over! (Popes, Archbishops etc.)
Bible is talking about the Church of God or Church of Jesus Christ and here starts a problem about who is the submitting one who guaranty the "agathon" to ordinate His commandments to the public.
If you struggle to find an answer, Remember "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: (Heb 8:10) and "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you". (Joh 14:26) and ask for Help by the Holy Ghost!
Divorced Christian men or women who remarry someone else are NOT committing adultery!
Posted : 23 Nov, 2014 03:50 AM
Dear HoosierHomeschooler
You claim: An abuser forces a divorce, even if it is the victim who actually files for it. Victims of abuse who divorce over it, as I understand the Bible, should be considered free to remarry -- only in the Lord.
In Corinthians 7, Paul is talking about various cases like former Gentiles who turned to Chhristianity, married, already divorced, widowed etc.
What you stated, refers to women in generally and to widowed partially. "The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth (law of husband, or in Original Text, law of man); but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. (1Co 7:39) not to divorced!
For due to divorced women he says "And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. (1Co 7:10-11).
Such a claim is spread and practised by churches in order to justify human needs not based on God's Justice!
What do you think of Israel in the light of the Word
Posted : 23 Nov, 2014 03:16 AM
Dear kk2014
Was that a need for you though you are Hebrew?
Does not Bible talk about the 144.000 faithful, 12.000 by each Hebrew tribe except Dan? (Rev 7:4-8). Never heard about Messianics movement in your own country?
Or maybe not accepting Paul's statement
"But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. (Rom 10:19)?
Divorced Christian men or women who remarry someone else are NOT committing adultery!
Posted : 19 Nov, 2014 12:09 PM
Dear mimi790
You tried a struggled issue!
First, i recognize your efforts to study the subject thoroughly. You entered in deep waters, you had to find out the original meaning of English words by comparing Strong Numbers to Greek and most of all to find an answer to a theme that many Bible versions reconstruct a false interpretation given about 1.000 years ago by a Orthodox Church Father named Euthymios Zegabenus most known as the writer of "Antihereticon Engolpion"
But let me start from the beginning.
Hebrew due to divorce use 2 various words: H1644(garash=Cast out) & H7971(shalah=sent away). By "garash" procedure the woman was no given letter of divorce and her descendants could not heiring (Gen 21:10 etc). The problem by English KJV starts when this word get translated as divorce ( Lev_21:14 & 22:13). It was commanded "Neither shall they take for their wives a widow, nor her that is put away: but they shall take maidens of the seed of the house of Israel, or a widow that had a priest before" (Eze 44:22). Neither English nor Greek language have a term to display this difference.
The verse "But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery" (Mat 5:32 & 19:9 ). This verses struggled scholars for long, although it is clear that the matter concerns "Shallah" and not "Garash". English use the word fornication for consensual sexual intercourse between two people not married to each other and whoredom or prostitution as practice of accepting payment in exchange for sexual relationsr. On the other hand Hebrew knows only whoredom for both as cleared by Paul 1Co 7:2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, (Greek Text = for your whoredoms) let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband). Although Jesus words were easy to understood by the Pharisees, it was difficult by the Greeks, first because for them whoredom (porneia) was a practice for exchange sex for money and second because sex of a married to third person is called adultery. Thus Euthymios Zegabenus (1050 A.C) stated "Jesus meant adultery". This explanation have been accepted by the later St. Augustine, have been spread from Orthodoxes to Catholics and Protestants so new Bible Versions interpret "except moral infidelity" and equals.
What do you think of Israel in the light of the Word
Posted : 19 Nov, 2014 09:55 AM
"Word" does not only mean the spoken word, but also the Cause (Reason)!
Thus interpreting John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God". we also may translate as: In the beginning was the Cause (of Creation), and the Cause (of Creation) was with God, and the Cause (of Creation) was God.
So it gives a sense as appeal to the Epicureans, the philosophic trend of his time that last until our times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicureanism
In this sense Israel Jews enlighted whole world about the reason of creation which first get clear in New Testament through
1Pe 2:9 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light"
Ezekiel 16 explains God's relation to Israel and to Gentiles and Revelation 7 shows the recover of 144.000 Jews (12.000 of each tribe) except Dan.
Israel was the good Olive Tree which graffed the wild Olive Trees, the Gentiles.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
The word Chosen: Studying the genealogy of Jesus in Lucas 3, starting from Adam we discover the First Born axiom not as by birth only but by the First Born Rights to continue the guidance of the genealogy! Jews are the descendants of Abraham who is the descendant of Shem, descendant of the Abel line.
What do you think of Israel in the light of the Word
Posted : 19 Nov, 2014 09:54 AM
"Word" does not only mean the spoken word, but also the Cause (Reason)!
Thus interpreting John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God". we also may translate as: In the beginning was the Cause (of Creation), and the Cause (of Creation) was with God, and the Cause (of Creation) was God.
So it gives a sense as appeal to the Epicureans, the philosophic trend of his time that last until our times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicureanism
In this sense Israel Jews enlighted whole world about the reason of creation which first get clear in New Testament through
1Pe 2:9 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light"
Ezekiel 16 explains God's relation to Israel and to Gentiles and Revelation 7 shows the recover of 144.000 Jews (12.000 of each tribe) except Dan.
Israel was the good Olive Tree which graffed the wild Olive Trees, the Gentiles.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
The word Chosen: Studying the genealogy of Jesus in Lucas 3, starting from Adam we discover the First Born axiom not as by birth only but by the First Born Rights to continue the guidance of the genealogy! Jews are the descendants of Abraham who is the descendant of Shem, descendant of the Abel line.
Have you been CONDEMMNED by others as having an "UNBIBLICAL DIVORCE" ?
Posted : 17 Nov, 2014 03:40 AM
Dear really_54
I share your opinion that "The ability to read Greek does not make one a scholar nor does it automatically give one discernment to rightfully interpret the Word of God".
But you have to admit that English, when it has to deal with God's Word, is not the best language on Earth even if prominent! For that i will give you only 2 exampes.
1. English distinguish among whoredom and fornication. Hebrew and Greek does not. They use only the word whoredom.
2. Reading "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God" (Mat 19:17), you may easily assume that Jesus is not good but bad! And that because English (and not only) does not have a word for agathos. Agathos is a substance referring to God only and means to do the best without caring on side effects because of your ethical fundamentals.
You use to talk about rights! Does mentioned verses are assumed as rights rather than suggestions, clarifications and commands?
Does equal rights (as you post) should not requires equal duties?
Are in a marriage given equal duties to both genders? For the man swears to love his wife as Jesus loved his Church and eventually die for her, where the wife swears to submit only!
Also Ezekiel as posted, makes clear the duty of the woman to keep her oath given to the covenant of God.
Don't you see that equal rights doctrine destroys Christian families, opens the gates to perversity, threat churches with punishments by objection?
Stopped the command "So thou shalt put the evil away from among you" to be law applicable?
And something else to the readers: Please forgive my mistake to write: "Such women called profane" and correct it to "Such women called harlot".
