Thread: A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
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A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 20 Aug, 2012 03:52 AM
Brothers and Sisters,
We get all confused as to what submission is in the bible, right?
I was just posting on a thread and I had to hit the submit button. Anyone here have to hit the submit button as well?
What are we doing when we hit the submit button?
We are offering freely our thoughts and feeling on a certain topic, right?
It makes sense now and this has been my sucess in my relationship my with feincee.
She offers her advice , opinion, feelings etc to me and because I love her I consider and listen to her submitted thoughts.
Could submission be as simple as this? YES
But also from a mans point validating her submitted thoughts and from her point submitting thoughts that will easily be recieved.
Many times we out of our great need to be heard try to force our thoughts on another. This is not submission. Like here their are guidelines we are called to follow in comunicating.
For me in my relationship I want to hear her thoughts because i love her. My problem is that she many times holds back on her thoughts because she is fearful of hurting me. She tries to protect me from her feelings. I had this problem with my previous relationship.
This time I am a strong man and once she shares with me I (do not) react out of pride or feeling of rejection to her and can show her compassion and love instead.
Whenever she withholds sharing with me, she limits my being able to express love to her in what she is feeling.
Also God has called a mans wife to be his helper and if she holds back in submitting her thoughts how can she be his help?Being a Husbands helper is not going and doing it by your self. That breakes down unity and seperates you from oneanother.
But women have to remember your words need to come to us with ((((((respect)))))))). Many times your words come in derission or in a form of a command. When you come to a man without respect you will never be heard but you will only push away the man you seek to help. Your attitude toward him is everything.
This I believe is the leading cause of abuse in relationships a woman who does not know how to approace a wounded man. Women who put their men on the defense and ultimatly at war with you.
Its the difference between telling ( trying to be powerful over him) or in submission( gently submitting your advice and thoughts) A angry abusive man is a man who has been belittled all of his life and his wife belittles him as well. A abusive man is so insecure and despretly needs help from a good woman, his wife.
His abuse is his way to feel powerful because deep down in side he feels powerless. But he is to afraid to look at his powerlessness. If you ladies understood the motive behind abuse maybe you could be a better helper to him.
Its not to late to be his helper, The helper God has called you to be...
You can go to your man and ask forgiveness for your continues rejection of him and ask forgiveness for your dissrespect to him.
Men you need to go to your wife and ask forgiveness for being abusive due to your insecurities and weakness.
If a Husband or wife starts here, their is hope for you. If you need further help just ask me and i would love to do so.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 29 Aug, 2012 11:28 PM
It is okay, I have paged through the pages of of this thread and because of all of the spaces between all of his words, I have not been able to focus enough to read all of the garbled thoughts. Forcing others to page so much to read one's words shows a lack of being able to see the perspective of others. Even after being told that was distracting, this passive aggressive control remained. I am not sure why someone would intentionally try to use space to distract but it seems to symbolize the spiritual distraction.
My take: What woman wouldn't want to submit to a man that put God first?
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 30 Aug, 2012 04:55 AM
MacD,
Thankyou for your reply. Actually when I copy and past for some reason it broadened the spacing. Even when I have tried to gentle up the spacing it still spread my comments apart.
To be honest with you I had asked for ladies opinion only with my questions and Grace ud kept dissrespecting my request.
So hoesty it is my attempt to dismiss him. Reposting the same over and over again. He had started a thread and askes women only and I have honored his request. Why is it he does not have enough self controll to do the same here?
Isnt self controll a fruit of Spirit and does not love seek not his own?
That is a greater issue I would think then some over spacing, Right?
You are welcome to answer my questions and you welcome to dismiss them.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 30 Aug, 2012 05:10 AM
Don't make this about me because no one is agreeing with your unbiblical theories. Accept responsibility. You want people to believe the big issue is me responding with you same "women only" and not you deliberately twisting scripture? get real
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 30 Aug, 2012 11:07 AM
I have love for the women here. Where is your respect for them? They are not toys to be played with. When someone is spouting lies about God off, it doesn't matter that they request a response from only women. They can get correction from anyone and everyone....and they should. Boasting? You have an entire thread of you boasting about yourself. You've tried the game of making me look evil and without love and nobody is buying it. Face it, this is a sinking ship.
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 30 Aug, 2012 08:01 PM
A sinking ship that passed 2000 views. How about those apples. I trust the Ladies here are intelligent enough to make a determination for their selves. Unlike you ........You think they need you to come to their rescue.
You continue to disrespect then as well.....
You try to be thought police but you are not sucessful because the Ladies here can see the truth..
Your no bother to me......You have helped promote this thread though...Thanks to you...
Do you really think you are some kind of threat to me? Do you know Ive expected every response from you?
You see I have nothing to prove because I have a Lady who respects me. If any lady here decides not to respect what I have to offer then it is really their loss because I am here only to serve.....not to be served.
If they reject the wisdom God has given to me then It is their loss. If the Ladies choose to close their ears to what I serve they have freedom to do so.
You all have freedom to believe and listen to whatever your heart determin is right or wrong.
God bless your lives and your decisions because I know one thing for sure. God will bless your heart as it seeks Him and His will........
A wifes submission, the beauty and good it brings.
Posted : 30 Aug, 2012 08:55 PM
I promised others I would stop posting but I need to address some things....
1. You think a high number of views implies success of a thread? You yourself said you are going for a "heart change". I guess you measure heart change through number of views. The reason the thread has so many pages and so many views is due to the overwhelming amount of people who stepped in to show you that you were not in line with scripture. One person came in to defend your theories. Ironically, it was your future wife. If you truly think this thread has been a success then you are more confused than I originally thought. Have you really resorted to the childish, "Na na na, look how many views my thread has"? It is not an honorable thing to boast about a thread that openly laughs in the face of scripture. Your thread is long because of the faithful here and not you. As pointed out to me, your thread would have died long ago had it not been for me and others continuing to post. It's a sinking ship because it hates scripture. The Titanic was big as well...."It can't sink....It's so big!"....Quality is more important than quantity.....Truth more than fantasies
2. True, most of the ladies here can think for themselves and many have already pointed out the errors in your theories. Am I the sole protector of women? No, but I have remained here for the naive who may be deceived. I find it interesting when you say things like, " I trust the Ladies here are intelligent enough to make a determination for their selves."....After you make posts like...."Is submission starting to sound pretty good for you ladies, right? Yes , it should sound very good for you ladies and good for you men also.".....Yet I am the one being charged with being the thought police. The ironic thing is that the women have already spoken and told you they don't want a husband like you and you won't accept that. You keep trying to change thing. You clearly DON'T think think capable in and of themselves of making the decision. Stop being a hypocrite and calling me out for what you yourself do.
3. " You try to be thought police but you are not sucessful because the Ladies here can see the truth.."....Is this like you are hoping if you say it enough times it may become true? There has been ONE woman who bought into your truth. Where are the others. The obligatory reply now is that they are sending you PM's. Who do you think you are fooling? This thread has been the height of immaturity. Interesting you call me the thought police when you try to force the men out of a thread on marriage in an attempt to convince women. The very reason you started this thread was to change thoughts to become like yours. Godly men(throw myself out of this equation) have corrected you in this thread. Godly women have corrected you in this thread. You have shown yourself to be a fool and altogether above correction. You have displayed a sickening idolatry here in placing yourself above the word and above correction from brothers to the point that some have even questioned whether you were a brother. Are you wise?..." The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, But a wise man is he who listens to counsel. Proverbs 12:15...... It is better to listen to the rebuke of a wise man Than for one to listen to the song of fools. Ecclesiastes 7:5"....Do you recognize yourself in these verses? Or have you been above all reproof and correction?
4. Actually I have been a bother to you....so much so that you privately threatened me about mentioning you in a thread. Of course my intention was never to do so. My intention from the beginning has been and will remain being, the idea that I defend scripture until the end. Your intention has been to paint anyone who doesn't agree with you as evil. That shows how little you believe in your own argument when you can't argue on the facts. You've just made it all about me.
5. Your whole mindset is wrong. You ask if I think I am some kind of threat to you. I have never set out to be a threat. I guess it all depends how you define threat. I and others were certainly threatening to your grand fantasies and pointed out the lies. Not everyone on the forum is mature in their Christian life and well versed enough in the scriptures to be able to see through your lies. Since we have corrected those lies, in that sense we have been a threat to you.
6. "Do you know Ive expected every response from you?"....Yes because if you recall the private message you sent me a few weeks ago after your first failed thread on the same topic(Notice this one lasted longer because of us who corrected you), I told you I would point out the lies each time you tried to promote these fantasies. So, yes I believe you expect it because I told you to expect it. Lies are no game and they hurt other brothers and sisters.
7. "If any lady here decides not to respect what I have to offer then it is really their loss because I am here only to serve.....not to be served."...So let it be their loss and stop pushing for them to believe you. You equate women not believing your lies with them not respecting you. Well in that case, they have shown they don't respect you so why not leave them alone?
8. "If they reject the wisdom God has given to me then It is their loss."..." 20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. 2 Peter 1:20-21"...Scripture wasn't written by man's private interpretation and any wisdom that comes from God will not be against scripture. You have proven that your thoughts did not come from God because A) You didn't listen to godly correction and B) You admitted that you cannot defend your view from scripture. You even said you would admit you were wrong and back away from your new found belief if you realize it cannot be defended with scripture. When we think we hear a word from God, we go to scripture where we know He is speaking to us. We then find out if it was from Him or not. You did not do this and as pointed out in my own thread....women don't respect men like that. They find them not fit to be a husband. You are indeed not fit to be a husband if you do not test all things by the word.
9. " You all have freedom to believe and listen to whatever your heart determin is right or wrong."....You are wrong. I am only allowed to listen to God. I am supposed to test all things. I am only supposed to believe what is true. We are not to throw out a bunch of theories and just have everyone pick something they like. Again this goes to your fundamental misunderstanding of scripture.
