Author	Thread: HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN. (Read first before you say i am judging)
Admin	HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN. (Read first before you say i am judging) Posted : 7 Dec, 2012 12:31 AM "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." - Leviticus 18:22 The Bible condemns homosexuality. It is NOT our job to criticize and condemn homosexuals; HOWEVER, it is our duty to proclaim the message of the Word of God that HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN. We must preach against the sin; but not condemn the sinner. Only God has the right to condemn anyone. Even Christ said He didn't come into the world to condemn people; but He clearly stated that His Word (i.e., God's Word) will judge the wicked... "And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day" (John 12:47,48). The Word of God condemns all men as guilty sinners (Romans 3:19). Do you see the difference? Sodomites (as the Bible calls them), like to accuse us of being judgmental. On the contrary, it is God who has already judged the sin of homosexuality and has condemned it. God says that homosexuality (sodomy) is an abomination. An "abomination" in the Bible is something that God "intensely hates." God loves people so much that He sent His only begotten Son to die upon the cross for our sins (John 3:16); but God equally hates sin with a passion, to the point that His holiness will not allow anyone to escape the consequences of their actions (1st Corinthians 6:9,10). Homosexuality is disgusting, unnatural, and just plain wrong and God hates it. SIMPLY God hates SIN. Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN. (Read first before you say i am judging) Posted : 7 Dec, 2012 10:44 AM I agree that homosexuality is a sin, and the thing we have to be careful about, in addition to what you said about condemning, is that we don't treat one sin like is more sinful than another in the eyes of God. I think a lot of the problem is that the bible was translated using the word "abomination" when speaking of homosexuality and we have placed so much emphasis and evil connotation to that word that it's almost taken on a life of it's own, when in reality, it simply means "unnatural". It is fairly clear that in the bible, God's "commands" and God's "prohibitions" and God's "designs" are always for our greatest good/safety/protection. All you have to do is look around. In my mind, "being with a man as with a woman" is degrading, unnatural, harmful, and gratifying the desires of the flesh instead of seeing the wisdom in following God's plan. But, you can say that about every single other sin, and I hope we all know, even as Christians, we are not without sin. And apart from everyone else, we're especially supposed to have much mercy, because we have been shown much mercy. I'm not saying we condone sin, far from it. We need to acknowledge EVERY sin as deserving of eternal death and repent, and if we're going to judge, be aware that you will be judged with the same judgment you use. When you judge someone in sin, remember that you have sin in your life, and treat them like you would want someone to treat you. Take into consideration what they may be going through, and how best to bring them to be aware of what they're doing. We're not just trying to judge sinners, we're trying to save them. "For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you." :peace::peace: Post Reply
View Profile History	HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN. (Read first before you say i am judging) Posted : 7 Dec, 2012 10:31 PM An excellent response, DHTM - if only the people in the pews would take it to heart that "there but for the grace of God..."; sadly I've heard too many self-proclaimed Christians talking about others people's actions they would "never forgive":dunce: Post Reply
Philipian View Profile History	HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN. (Read first before you say i am judging) Posted : 9 Dec, 2012 03:49 AM HOMOSEXUALITY was spoken about and against in the scriptures, If you look out Romans 1:26-27, Romans 1:26 Amplified Bible (AMP) - "26 For this reason God gave them over and abandoned them to vile affections and degrading passions. For their women exchanged their natural function for an unnatural and abnormal one, 27 And the men also turned from natural relations with women and were set ablaze (burning out, consumed) with lust for one another�men committing shameful acts with men and suffering in their own [a]bodies and personalities the inevitable consequences and penalty of their wrong-doing and going astray, which was [their] fitting retribution. ALL OTHER SINS were also not pampered, but BITTERLY reported against. In the Bible, they were called "ALL WICKEDNESS"...See Titus 2:11-14 (New International Version (NIV)) - "11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. 12 It teaches us to say �No� to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13 while we wait for the blessed hope�the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from ALL WICKEDNESS and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good. Post Reply
View Profile History	HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN. (Read first before you say i am judging) Posted : 9 Dec, 2012 05:55 AM @DontHitThatMark I am truly agreed with your response. This is not a hate message but one of love towards all who sin and not repent. I wish people would understand that. Sin separates our fellowship with God (Psalm 66:18), but confession restores it (Psalm 32:5, 1 John 1:9). We often hear from people that the Bible says that we are never supposed to judge others. We all know deep down that it�s not true. If we catch someone stealing our neighbour�s TV, immediately we�ll yell at the thief, �Put that back! Stealing is wrong!� It wouldn�t cross our minds that we�re doing something wrong by saying that. You know you will be asked and you may have already asked it to yourself...Who are you to judge? You are an ambassador for Christ (Eph. 6:20), that�s who! Revelation 1:5 says that Jesus Christ is �Ruler of the kings of the earth.� You are an ambassador of the King of the universe, the King of kings. It�s not your word that you bring. It�s God�s word. And no one can escape the judgment of God. And there is no other way of salvation than that which is given in God�s word. Those who say you shouldn�t judge will judge nonetheless. They ask �who are you to judge?� only to substitute the word of man for the word of God as the ultimate authority. But whether they like it or not, you have a duty to proclaim God�s word. As Paul says, it will be the savor of death to those who are perishing, but the savor of life to those who are being saved (2 Cor. 2:16-17). Mark 16:15-16 �Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. I sincerely hope that people are not offended by the last phrase in verse 16 above. If you believe not you shall be condemned (damned). It is serious!... You better repent of your sins today so that you can be justified -John 3:7 TRUE SALVATION WITHOUT TRUE REPENTANCE IS NO SALVATION AT ALL. Post Reply
Philipian View Profile History	HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN. (Read first before you say i am judging) Posted : 9 Dec, 2012 10:50 AM Sin separates our fellowship with God (Psalm 66:18), but confession restores it (Psalm 32:5, 1 John 1:9). Fellowship of God with man was truncated in the Garden by the Serpent. It took years for it to be restored. That restoration was done through Atoning Death of Jesus. That restores us to God. What Christ did, in its veracity to restore that communion can not be separated by sin. Were it so, that sin separate us from that fellowship, Christ must die again as he did earlier to have that fellowship restored. Sin does not separate (divorce) the fellowship/communion/right standing the death of Jesus bought us. These are teachings we were taught out of sympathy for God by men. Those sins were once forgiven and blotted away. They are not strong again to require another death of Christ. However, do I endorse SIN? NO. Far be from it. Romans 6:1-4 - 1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Gal 3:27 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)- "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Ephesians 2:1-3 King James Version (KJV) - 1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. We may gladly continue on this refreshing verses at any time Post Reply
View Profile History	HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN. (Read first before you say i am judging) Posted : 10 Dec, 2012 11:01 PM Thank you! Glad so see I am not the only one on this forum who thinks so. Darn near got run out of the live chat for saying it was a sin. This has been a while but it shocked me to see Christians or supposed Christians thinking it was okay with God. Post Reply
Philipian View Profile History	HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN. (Read first before you say i am judging) Posted : 11 Dec, 2012 09:02 AM @Morgana, remember that scripture that says in Act 14:17 New International Version (�1984) that "Yet he has not left himself without testimony: He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons; he provides you with plenty of food and fills your hearts with joy." I also like the translation in King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) that reads "Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.". God did not leave himself without a witness. It is not man that will tell God what he will permit or allow...Its God who will tell man what he permits and what he disallows! Truly he did. Romans 1:20-end Post Reply
View Profile History	HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN. (Read first before you say i am judging) Posted : 12 Dec, 2012 02:08 AM I would have to dissagree and scripture dissagrees with DHTM. That abomination means " unatural" Proverbs 6:16 says...... 16These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17A proud look (1), a lying tongue,(2) and hands that shed innocent blood,(3) 18An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations,(4) feet that be swift in running to mischief, (5)19A false witness that speaketh lies,(5) and he that soweth discord among brethren.(7) The same word for abomination used in both cases of homosexuality and what seems to describe gossip. So is gossip unatural? God views those who sew discord among brethern and homosexuality as equally hated by Him. Why then do we not as well take stands against gossip like we stand against homosexuality? Why then would we view those who practice homosexuality different than those who practice gossip? Post Reply
View Profile History	HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN. (Read first before you say i am judging) Posted : 12 Dec, 2012 04:33 AM The next time you see gossip or someone wants to gossip with you ask them this. Do you know God hates gossip just as much as He hates homosexuality? My young helper's brother has declared himself to be such and the church i used to attend with him is very legalistic about everything except gossip. When we take the seat of Judge beware lest we are judged as well. What we are called to as followers of Christ is to love the people around us. Let us focus more on loving and caring for an individual than judgement of individuals. Not that expressing Gods hatred is wrong and Gods judgement is wrong but that has to be coupled with love. Can we look someone who is struggling with homosexuality in the face and truly tell them we love them? Can we be their friends and care for them? Can we give a drink of water and bind their wounds? How much are we willing to pay to show a individual we have the love of God in us? Post Reply
DontHitThatMark View Profile History	HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN. (Read first before you say i am judging) Posted : 14 Dec, 2012 08:34 AM I understand what you're saying LTM, although if we ask the question why homosexuality is an abomination, I think the answer is because it is unnatural and degrading and against God's design. I agree that abomination doesn't simply mean unnatural, I just mean to say that God doesn't simply hate/dislike things and then label them abominations, that is how we work. The way God works is that something literally IS an abomination, so then he calls it by it's right name. I've even heard some Christians try to say that lying with a woman as with a man as with a woman is "ok", but I would say that God condemns that as well. Things are abhorred by God for a reason, and in using the word "abomination" when speaking of homosexuality, I think that reason is because it's unnatural. :peace::peace: Post Reply

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